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post 1659796623 04-17-2022, 11:09 AM
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Anyone here take college philosopy?

I'm writing a paper that's due tomorrow morning. I'm writing about a given scenario (actually about a theoretical murder) and how hard determinism, soft determinism, and libertarianism theories would apply to it. I think I've grasped soft determinism and libertarianism alright, but I'm just a little stuck on separating libertarianism and soft determinism. I THINK soft determinism basically says we have these set desires and beliefs and having those will ultimately influence our actions, even though we ultimately have the power to do otherwise (say something MORALLY wrong). If I like lifting, I will start lifting, but I won't powerlift because it might injure me... or I like to shoot, but I won't shoot just anything. right? It implies i know what I want to do, but I am able to consciously think logically.
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Lmao you’re still in college?

What are you like 35?

Grow up
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
Lmao you’re still in college?

What are you like 35?

Grow up
I'm not 35, not that it would matter, but I hope you never succeed in life Brad. You still haven't so it's still possible you won't. So eat my chit.
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Originally Posted By HairyWBush⏩
I'm not 35, not that it would matter, but I hope you never succeed in life Brad. You still haven't so it's still possible you won't. So eat my chit.
I actually graduated university at a normal age (22) and have almost 10 years of work experience.

Just cause you’re 30+ year old midget doing your undergrad doesn’t mean you have to take it out on me.

Good luck with your into to philosophy class lmao

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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Just LOL @ the kids in this thread duking it out.

It's OK brahs, we're all going to make it.

The beavercels just might take a bit longer.
This poster always comes into my threads calling me a degen and a loser etc.

So just thought it was ironic he is taking intro to philosophy at his local community college at 30+
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
This poster always comes into my threads calling me a degen and a loser etc.

So just thought it was ironic he is taking intro to philosophy at his local community college at 30+
haven't directed a message towards you in quite some time now Brad. You're a hopeless douche or else you wouldn't have made a comment like that. Grow up.
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Originally Posted By HairyWBush⏩
I'm writing a paper that's due tomorrow morning. I'm writing about a given scenario (actually about a theoretical murder) and how hard determinism, soft determinism, and libertarianism theories would apply to it. I think I've grasped soft determinism and libertarianism alright, but I'm just a little stuck on separating libertarianism and soft determinism. I THINK soft determinism basically says we have these set desires and beliefs and having those will ultimately influence our actions, even though we ultimately have the power to do otherwise (say something MORALLY wrong). If I like lifting, I will start lifting, but I won't powerlift because it might injure me... or I like to shoot, but I won't shoot just anything. right? It implies i know what I want to do, but I am able to consciously think logically.
Soft determinism = Compatibilism

That’s what distinguishes the two. Libertarianism: Free will implies that determinism is false

Soft determinism: Determinism can be true and we have free will.

Soft determinism is pure cope in Misc terms

Check out Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy if you haven’t already.
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Originally Posted By EiFit91⏩
Soft determinism = Compatibilism

That’s what distinguishes the two. Libertarianism: Free will implies that determinism is false

Soft determinism: Determinism can be true and we have free will.

Soft determinism is pure cope in Misc terms

Check out Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy if you haven’t already.
thank you Eifit
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Libertarian free will implies that there is no real future that exists.
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
I actually graduated university at a normal age (22) and have almost 10 years of work experience.

Just cause you’re 30+ year old midget doing your undergrad doesn’t mean you have to take it out on me.

Good luck with your into to philosophy class lmao

Cheers
lmao brutal
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In other words, in libertarian free will...your choices are metaphysical possibilities. In other forms, they are only epistemological possibilities. In compatibalism, your choices are not metaphysical possibilities and the causal chain is truly unbroken to the beginning of time. Libertarian free will is a cause untethered which may land on whatever effect you decide...your will is the killer of possibilities rather than a linguistic construct.
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
I actually graduated university at a normal age (22) and have almost 10 years of work experience.

Just cause you’re 30+ year old midget doing your undergrad doesn’t mean you have to take it out on me.

Good luck with your into to philosophy class lmao

Cheers
I bet you "graduated" with all D's and didn't learn a damn thing. Pretty obvious since you didn't learn in psychology 101 that alcohol makes you dumb. Lmao.

Its actually better to go to college when you are older.

I was actually suppose to take intro to philosophy this semester but the scedule was crappy. So I might take it next sem.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
I bet you "graduated" with all D's and didn't learn a damn thing. Pretty obvious since you didn't learn in psychology 101 that alcohol makes you dumb. Lmao.

Its actually better to go to college when you are older.

I was actually suppose to take intro to philosophy this semester but the scedule was crappy. So I might take it next sem.
You should take it if you get the chance. I think everyone would benefit. Unfortunately, a lot of kids in college get frustrated with it because there's so many different topics and frankly, people aren't used to reading and writing arguments.
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Originally Posted By GreatOldOne⏩
You should take it if you get the chance. I think everyone would benefit. Unfortunately, a lot of kids in college get frustrated with it because there's so many different topics and frankly, people aren't used to reading and writing arguments.
I will need to in order to get my mandatory credits. But it sounds kinda tough ngl. Physics 101 is the toughest class so far since it involved alot of math.
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Originally Posted By GreatOldOne⏩
In other words, in libertarian free will...your choices are metaphysical possibilities. In other forms, they are only epistemological possibilities. In compatibalism, your choices are not metaphysical possibilities and the causal chain is truly unbroken to the beginning of time.Libertarian free will is a cause untethered which may land on whatever effect you decide...your will is the killer of possibilities rather than a linguistic construct.
doesn't this contradict John Locke? "But though the preference of the Mind be always determined...yet the Person who has the power, in which alone consists the liberty to act, or not to act, according to such preference, is nevertheless free; such determination abirdges not that Power."
Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
I will need to in order to get my mandatory credits. But it sounds kinda tough ngl. Physics 101 is the toughest class so far since it involved alot of math.
chit I forgot about physics. I think I have to take it too
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
I will need to in order to get my mandatory credits. But it sounds kinda tough ngl. Physics 101 is the toughest class so far since it involved alot of math.
It's not hard at the intro level...you'll be fine. People run into trouble when they think it will be an easy A with no effort, and then they don't do the reading in time. There are plenty of resources online these days, which can help a lot...such as
https://plato.stanford.edu/

Just do your reading as it's assigned and take notes, and ask questions.
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Originally Posted By HairyWBush⏩
doesn't this contradict John Locke? "But though the preference of the Mind be always determined...yet the Person who has the power, in which alone consists the liberty to act, or not to act, according to such preference, is nevertheless free; such determination abirdges not that Power."


chit I forgot about physics. I think I have to take it too
I think he means you're considered free if you're not otherwise bound. Yet, cause and effect are not unbroken. Your actions still remain locked in the course of all things which happen. To me, it's linguistic. The person is recognized as the agent with power because they are the efficient cause. It's not practical to consider your action caused by the rotation of the sun a billion years ago.

BUT...all that doesn't remove the preferences of the mind from the chain of cause and effect, and it doesn't remove the overall factors which determine whether a person is otherwise bound to a necessary action from the causal chain.

A libertarian free will can do whatever it wants. Everything in the universe appears bound to cause and effect...but the will. It's easy to see how many people consider that problematic. Yet, they don't want to absolve people of moral responsibility...so they turn to analysis of what factors may constrain a person's "choices" to determine if they're actually free.

Someone mentioned that is cope...an yeah, it is. But, irl that is how we actually operate and how our court systems operate.

Interestingly, if we did have libertarian free will...imo, that would make it impossible to explain your actions. The explanation wouldn't be your observations and thoughts and considerations all bound to cause and effect...it would be "free will".

Why did you do that?
-free will

If you said you did something because of x, y, or z...you'd be wrong. The efficient cause would be your magical free will.

Take what I say with a grain of salt, though...it's been about 25 years since I was studying this stuff.
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I scored perfectly on every technical exam and barely passed philosophy and logic classes. They want you to follow their weird approaches.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
I bet you "graduated" with all D's and didn't learn a damn thing. Pretty obvious since you didn't learn in psychology 101 that alcohol makes you dumb. Lmao.

Its actually better to go to college when you are older.

I was actually suppose to take intro to philosophy this semester but the scedule was crappy. So I might take it next sem.
I graduated with mostly As and Bs. Got an A is psychology 101.

Also I can afford to drink unlike yourself and OP since I have superior intelligence. Guys like you and OP drink and it’s over since you both are already so dumb.
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Originally Posted By GreatOldOne⏩
It's not hard at the intro level...you'll be fine. People run into trouble when they think it will be an easy A with no effort, and then they don't do the reading in time. There are plenty of resources online these days, which can help a lot...such as
https://plato.stanford.edu/

Just do your reading as it's assigned and take notes, and ask questions.
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
I graduated with mostly As and Bs. Got an A is psychology 101.

Also I can afford to drink unlike yourself and OP since I have superior intelligence. Guys like you and OP drink and it’s over since you both are already so dumb.
Notbadnotbrad.

I also don't believe you.
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Originally Posted By HairyWBush⏩
I'm not 35, not that it would matter, but I hope you never succeed in life Brad. You still haven't so it's still possible you won't. So eat my chit.
I'd actually follow the advice he posted about not helping the poor as to avoid allowing miserable kunts to infect your life with their ****ed up inner-talk.

Remember people's opinions, as a rule, reveal more about themself than they do anything else.
The closer we approach the uncertainty of life's ending the more we wish to trade all of the things we have acquired in exchange for all of the things we have lost: wealth for youth, knowledge for fresh curiosity, resignation for hope. We'd trade our wisdom for new experiences, but it is wisdom that will teach us that at the end of the road the only new experience is death.
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
I actually graduated university at a normal age (22) and have almost 10 years of work experience.

Just cause you’re 30+ year old midget doing your undergrad doesn’t mean you have to take it out on me.

Good luck with your into to philosophy class lmao

Cheers
to be fair he could have 17 years work experience
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Like a lot of things in philosophy, it isn't a disagreement about any fact about the world. It's a disagreement about what words mean.

When the soft determinist chooses red 36 on the roulette wheel, his hard determinist buddy says you didn't really choose red 36, it wasn't really your choice. The SD says wtf of course I chose it, there were 36 options and I literally just put my money on that one.

The HD says yes but you only did it because you've always thought red was your lucky colour and 36 was your lucky number.

The SD says yes I know, ever since I was a kid.

The HD says but ultimately that is because of genetic and environmental factors and events outside your control that made you the person you are.

The SD says yeah obviously.

The HD says so you were just acting out your part in a chain of events that started before you and is outside your control.

The SD says yeah no ****, that's how everything works.

The HD says so therefore it wasn't really your choice.

The SD says wtf of course it is my choice. Like you said, it is me acting on the various environmental, genetic and life events that made me the person I am. That's what "my choice" MEANS!

The HD says no that's not what it means, for it to be your choice you would have to be responsible for the whole chain of events that led to you doing it.

The SD says wtf the whole chain of events back to the Big Bang, that makes no sense at all, how could I be responsible for that?

The HD says well unless you are then you are just acting out a predetermined destiny, so you don't really make any choices.

The SD says are you mental, nobody thinks that is what making a choice means. Everybody thinks it means that destiny shaped you into a person who wanted to do something and you made a choice and did it.

Etc
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Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
I'm a philosophy major who is the boss of 100 stemmies. And my boss is a philosophy major.

I was unemployed for a while after graduating though ...
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