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Originally Posted By Anachron
No, you didn't.

I wonder why you can't do it.
It's only a couple pages back
Originally Posted By J.L.C.
There's also this:



Abscissa is weeks since administration. Right-most 2+ is boostah.

Older though, from Dec 2021

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ember-2021.pdf
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Originally Posted By Devine88
Working at all would be a good start?

Not increasing mortality in some places, perhaps?

You on dat Dunning-Kruger time or just purposefully being a troll?
Since you all are still here there is a new pre-print re: effectiveness and the lack thereof.
Let's take a look at this new study that is currently in preprint [Benn et al, 2022].



Note that this result flatly contradicts the Vaccine Safety Datalink research published by the CDC, thus lending greater credence to my theory that efficacy observations in retrospective studies are all due to statistical sieves.

When expanding the examination of mortality beyond categorical COVID-19, we find that the risk of mortality was unchanged for mRNA vaccines. If the mRNA vaccines are effective [at something], how could this result be possible? Here are a few possibilities:

- The mRNA vaccines are only effective as suppressing symptoms in patients low enough on risk scales that COVID-19 wasn't ever going to be a serious concern. That would be to say that the so-called RCTs were entirely inappropriate for the task of testing based on the chosen demographics.

- COVID-19 is too small a proportion of all-cause mortality to worry about, meaning there is not a serious enough health crisis to warrant rushed mass experimentation.

- They don't Pfriggin work to stop COVID-19โ€”just those cases caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

Harvard epidemiologist Martin Kulldorff weighs in on the study, pointing out that while in preprint, he has personally [peer] reviewed it.
https://roundingtheearth.substack.co...CYtZWJZG70&s=r

And, no, didn't dig it up for you. It was in my inbox and I'm listening to a podcast.
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post 1660213143 04-24-2022, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron
That's not what I am asking for.

Can you please stop deflecting, and post the effectiveness of BNT162b2?
I've
I wonder why you can't do it?

Edit : You seem to be able to do it for other vaccines:



Just not for BNT162b2?

I wonder why that is?
Right hand side of that figure is BNT 162b2
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Good, now can you post it the actual figures?
Figure 7.

Link to source is there.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
I wonder why you can't bring yourself to post the figures, like you did for another vaccine?

Maybe, as OP put it, you are stupid?
Figure 7, as posted and provided in the link is effectiveness against symptomatic disease.

"moderate to high vaccine effectiveness of 70 to 75% is seen in the early period after a booster dose."
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Gotcha.

Edit : Caught you with another lie. Thanks for playing.
Any time. Weird that the link didn't work for you
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Oh it did. I just wanted to see if you would lie... again.
I also mentioned it's from December
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Originally Posted By Anachron
It's not that.

You never posted the effectiveness of BNT162b2, but you made it appear you did, until I called out your lie.
That's the text they provide with the figure. Please share whatever you're referencing
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Does any jabbie know why the least jabbed countries have such low covid death rates compared to the most jabbed?

Also the only 2 heavily populated countries with high jab rates and low death rates decided against mRNA jabs
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
But, since you asked:

"We calculated an adjusted vaccine effectiveness (weighted stratified Cox model) in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 of :

78ยท8% (95% CI 76ยท8โ€“80ยท6) for a three-dose schedule with CoronaVac,

96ยท5% (96ยท2โ€“96ยท7) for a BNT162b2 booster, and

93ยท2% (92ยท9โ€“93ยท6) for an AZD1222 booster.

The adjusted vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19-related hospitalisation, ICU admission, and death was

86ยท3% (83ยท7โ€“88ยท5), 92ยท2% (88ยท7โ€“94ยท6), and 86ยท7% (80ยท5โ€“91ยท0) for a homologous CoronaVac booster,

96ยท1% (95ยท3โ€“96ยท9), 96ยท2% (94ยท6โ€“97ยท3), and 96ยท8% (93ยท9โ€“98ยท3) for a BNT162b2 booster, and

97ยท7% (97ยท3โ€“98ยท0), 98ยท9% (98ยท5โ€“99ยท2), and 98ยท1% (97ยท3โ€“98ยท6) for an AZD1222 booster."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...112-7/fulltext
For something with 96.5 effectiveness rate (with booster lol, such a great shot this is needs boosters straight off the bat) there sure was a lot of cases among the vaxxed. Brb 74% of cases among the Massachusetts party in July 2021 were vaxxed. I mean even without herd immunity doesn't that raise alarm bells?
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Always find it ironic when someone who larped for Biden can call anyone stupid.

Vaccine mandates have been about as effective on Covid as the Sanctions have been on Russia.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
The answer is related to why highly educated miscers, some with medical backgrounds, have spent the last several pages deflecting a simple question regarding the effectiveness of said mRNA vaccines.
I'll have to go back to spamming 80s song lyrics with jabbie remixes if they can't answer simple questions
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Originally Posted By NYPat
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...mpathy/622827/


Vaccines are free and easily accessible, so no lack of health care and resources excuses in this country. I wonder how many people on this forum that need to read this will?
I know. There's nothing driving vaccine hesitancy past lack of scientific knowledge about mRNA vaccines, stupid conspiracy theories, and thinking vaccinations are some sort of geopolitical issue or a "leftist" thing, which they aren't. The scientific evidence shows us overwhelmingly that the vaccines are safe and well tolerated, and amongst hundreds of millions of vaccinations there are minimal side effects and they are mostly mild and associated with reactogenecity. The clinical trials would catch all but the most extremely rare side effects in the short term, and there's no biochemical mechanism by which the vaccine would cause long-term effects, and certainly nothing compared to the virus itself.


People forget there are still lots of evolutionary moves the virus can make. And vaccine hesitancy will result in unmitigated spread which means uncontrolled mutation and the emergence of variants. The way to beat this is to lower the number of infections to close off the virus' many doors of escape, which means vaccinations. It sounds trite, but with a fast moving virus in a pandemic we can't be safe until everyone is safe.


Imagine how tragic it would be to make tremendous progress in fighting Covid 19 only to have a new variant emerge that evades our immunity and sets us back to square one. The deaths are preventable now with vaccines and ongoing deaths are simply not acceptable, and spreading anti-vax rubbish and CTs is ethically abhorrent.


The second tragedy is that the only real response to this post will be this:


Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
So chickenpox vaccines are okay because chickenpox isn't a serious disease (opinion?), but covid vaccines are bad because covid has a high survival rate?
Why should I get the Covid vaccine? Especially since it's useless, pretty much a year later.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
I know. There's nothing driving vaccine hesitancy past lack of scientific knowledge about mRNA vaccines, stupid conspiracy theories, and thinking vaccinations are some sort of geopolitical issue or a "leftist" thing, which they aren't. The scientific evidence shows us overwhelmingly that the vaccines are safe and well tolerated, and amongst hundreds of millions of vaccinations there are minimal side effects and they are mostly mild and associated with reactogenecity. The clinical trials would catch all but the most extremely rare side effects in the short term, and there's no biochemical mechanism by which the vaccine would cause long-term effects, and certainly nothing compared to the virus itself.


People forget there are still lots of evolutionary moves the virus can make. And vaccine hesitancy will result in unmitigated spread which means uncontrolled mutation and the emergence of variants. The way to beat this is to lower the number of infections to close off the virus' many doors of escape, which means vaccinations. It sounds trite, but with a fast moving virus in a pandemic we can't be safe until everyone is safe.


Imagine how tragic it would be to make tremendous progress in fighting Covid 19 only to have a new variant emerge that evades our immunity and sets us back to square one. The deaths are preventable now with vaccines and ongoing deaths are simply not acceptable, and spreading anti-vax rubbish and CTs is ethically abhorrent.


The second tragedy is that the only real response to this post will be this:


Viruses mutate into new variants, and those new variants are weaker.

Now keep wearing your mask, you **** smearing waste of space.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
I caught your edit, game over brah.

You thought I didn't read the linked document, and tried to make it appear that the effectiveness of BNT162b2 is 70-75%.

The linked document doesn't actually say that, and you edited your post after I called you out.

I guess OP is right, how can you be so stupid?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
It's only a couple pages back
Says the effectiveness against omicron in 30% after 3 months lmao.

Meanwhile alpha chad real vaccines are 90%+ for a decade.
Originally Posted By katya422
Since you all are still here there is a new pre-print re: effectiveness and the lack thereof.



https://roundingtheearth.substack.co...CYtZWJZG70&s=r

And, no, didn't dig it up for you. It was in my inbox and I'm listening to a podcast.
Repped. Covid fearcels will ignore this no doubt.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
That statement isn't supported by available data
False
Control group crew membership revoked 7/5/2022 1:50pm PST not proud.

Inb4 honorable FDA/CDC/NIH/WHO representatives

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COVID ? its so 2021 .....unless you live in China , Canada or are mentally ill
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I really don't see a point in these threads. Convincing someone to take a vaccine now is about as effective as convincing someone god is real (or not). We've had two years to decide, everyone has decided. All that's left is pointless arguing about whether your decision was better.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
I know. There's nothing driving vaccine hesitancy past lack of scientific knowledge about mRNA vaccines, stupid conspiracy theories, and thinking vaccinations are some sort of geopolitical issue or a "leftist" thing, which they aren't. The scientific evidence shows us overwhelmingly that the vaccines are safe and well tolerated, and amongst hundreds of millions of vaccinations there are minimal side effects and they are mostly mild and associated with reactogenecity. The clinical trials would catch all but the most extremely rare side effects in the short term, and there's no biochemical mechanism by which the vaccine would cause long-term effects, and certainly nothing compared to the virus itself.


People forget there are still lots of evolutionary moves the virus can make. And vaccine hesitancy will result in unmitigated spread which means uncontrolled mutation and the emergence of variants. The way to beat this is to lower the number of infections to close off the virus' many doors of escape, which means vaccinations. It sounds trite, but with a fast moving virus in a pandemic we can't be safe until everyone is safe.


Imagine how tragic it would be to make tremendous progress in fighting Covid 19 only to have a new variant emerge that evades our immunity and sets us back to square one. The deaths are preventable now with vaccines and ongoing deaths are simply not acceptable, and spreading anti-vax rubbish and CTs is ethically abhorrent.


The second tragedy is that the only real response to this post will be this:


Repped.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
I know. There's nothing driving vaccine hesitancy past lack of scientific knowledge about mRNA vaccines, stupid conspiracy theories, and thinking vaccinations are some sort of geopolitical issue or a "leftist" thing, which they aren't. The scientific evidence shows us overwhelmingly that the vaccines are safe and well tolerated, and amongst hundreds of millions of vaccinations there are minimal side effects and they are mostly mild and associated with reactogenecity. The clinical trials would catch all but the most extremely rare side effects in the short term, and there's no biochemical mechanism by which the vaccine would cause long-term effects, and certainly nothing compared to the virus itself.


People forget there are still lots of evolutionary moves the virus can make. And vaccine hesitancy will result in unmitigated spread which means uncontrolled mutation and the emergence of variants. The way to beat this is to lower the number of infections to close off the virus' many doors of escape, which means vaccinations. It sounds trite, but with a fast moving virus in a pandemic we can't be safe until everyone is safe.


Imagine how tragic it would be to make tremendous progress in fighting Covid 19 only to have a new variant emerge that evades our immunity and sets us back to square one. The deaths are preventable now with vaccines and ongoing deaths are simply not acceptable, and spreading anti-vax rubbish and CTs is ethically abhorrent.


The second tragedy is that the only real response to this post will be this:
I have already repeatedly addressed and debunked this farcical points. Your elementary, at best, knowledge of virology and immunology is beyond laughable. You like shoveling shyt even more than you do smearing it.
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Originally Posted By Polaris
I have already repeatedly addressed and debunked this farcical points. Your elementary, at best, knowledge of virology and immunology is beyond laughable. You like shoveling shyt even more than you do smearing it, apparently.
So if he were an actual expert you would respect and listen to his advice? Because we have those in this country and they ALL recommend getting vaccinated. We also have major hospitals across the country reporting that the vast majority of those who were hospitalized or died were unvaccinated. A quarter of covid deaths were preventable.. if those people simply got vaccinated. How could they be s stupid?
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Originally Posted By NYPat
So if he were an actual expert you would respect and listen to his advice? Because we have those in this country and they ALL recommend getting vaccinated. We also have major hospitals across the country reporting that the vast majority of those who were hospitalized or died were unvaccinated. A quarter of covid deaths were preventable.. if those people simply got vaccinated. How could they be s stupid?
He's just mocking me, he's saying things that I tend to say with a load of sarcasm; because I use the word "farcical" on the reg, I recognized what Trollaris was up to.
Back off, Warchild.

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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
Why should I get the Covid vaccine? Especially since it's useless, pretty much a year later.
Just trying to understand the difference between acceptable and unacceptable vaccines.
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Originally Posted By Devine88
Says the effectiveness against omicron in 30% after 3 months lmao.

Meanwhile alpha chad real vaccines are 90%+ for a decade.
Which ones?
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HIVPat being so feverishly pro-vax makes sense when you consider the fact that his "condition" weakens the immune system

He wants the average person to pay for the consequences of his bug chasing escapades by being forcibly injected with an experimental vaccine

It's probably another kink or something actually (ded srs)

Liberals are sick people
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Persistent Spike-specific T cell immunity despite antibody reduction after 3 months from SARS-CoV-2 BNT162b2-mRNA vaccine

"After 12 weeks from vaccination, the titer of anti-RBD antibodies as well as their neutralization function decreased while the Spike-specific T-cells persisted at the same level as soon after vaccine boost. Of note, a correlation between cellular and humoral response persevered, suggesting the persistence of a coordinated immune response. The long lasting cell-mediated immune response after 3 months from vaccination highlight its importance in the maintaining of specific immunity able to expand again to fight eventual new antigen encountering."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-07741-z
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz
HIVPat being so feverishly pro-vax makes sense when you consider the fact that his "condition" weakens the immune system

He wants the average person to pay for the consequences of his bug chasing escapades by being forcibly injected with an experimental vaccine

It's probably another kink or something actually (ded srs)

Liberals are sick people
My "condition" is following the recommended advice of the actual experts. Others, like yourself, are the ones who show up at the hospital demanding monoclonal antibodies while taking ridiculous levels of Ivermectin (no questions asked of course because Joe Rogan told you he did).
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