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Pissening conversation about careers with a boomer
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- OP talks to boomer about his career in the energy sector
- Boomer doesn't have a college degree
- Boomer "called and asked if they were hiriing"
- Hired as a tradie
- Eventually promoted to executive leadership of operations (unclear on exact job title)
- Phuck boomers ded srs
I met this boomer friend of my parents yesterday at some New Orleans music festival where booomers congregate to relive the glory days and binge drink. I got to talking to him, and he retired from Shell USA in the 90s. I've always been interested in the energy sector, to the point of having applied for several jobs in O&G.
I was asking him how he got into the industry and if he had any advice on transitioning from IT (my current field), because surely there must be a need for tech people in the energy sector. This brah had the straight up boomer dream career track. "Just called and asked if they were hiring" (ded srs) is how he got some tradie-tier job in a refinery. Worked his way up to tradie-manager and then was eventually brought in to executive management of operations for the region.
Just lmfao. This brah doesn't even have a college degree and while he was certainly a smart enough dude, he was fairly simple. I've applied for jobs at Shell and they made me submit copies of every single document/credential I claimed on my resume before the interview and I had to bring the originals to the interview itself to be inspected (srs). Did boomers have to work for literally anything or did all of them just fail upwards for their entire life?
- OP talks to boomer about his career in the energy sector
- Boomer doesn't have a college degree
- Boomer "called and asked if they were hiriing"
- Hired as a tradie
- Eventually promoted to executive leadership of operations (unclear on exact job title)
- Phuck boomers ded srs
I met this boomer friend of my parents yesterday at some New Orleans music festival where booomers congregate to relive the glory days and binge drink. I got to talking to him, and he retired from Shell USA in the 90s. I've always been interested in the energy sector, to the point of having applied for several jobs in O&G.
I was asking him how he got into the industry and if he had any advice on transitioning from IT (my current field), because surely there must be a need for tech people in the energy sector. This brah had the straight up boomer dream career track. "Just called and asked if they were hiring" (ded srs) is how he got some tradie-tier job in a refinery. Worked his way up to tradie-manager and then was eventually brought in to executive management of operations for the region.
Just lmfao. This brah doesn't even have a college degree and while he was certainly a smart enough dude, he was fairly simple. I've applied for jobs at Shell and they made me submit copies of every single document/credential I claimed on my resume before the interview and I had to bring the originals to the interview itself to be inspected (srs). Did boomers have to work for literally anything or did all of them just fail upwards for their entire life?
04-25-2022, 06:58 AM
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"work" is the word you are confusing. You think YOU have to work harder than him because you have a completely unrelated degree and have to go through a strenuous interview process to get a job in a field you have no experience in.
He had to start out at the literal bottom of the company, learn a trade, perform better than his piers, be promoted to management, learn to manage, preform better as a manager than his piers, be promoted to executive, learn that position, then perform his duties well enough he could stay till retirement.
you're entitled, but youve earned nothing. BTW, you can still follow his path, people work their way up all the time. if they are willing to work.
He had to start out at the literal bottom of the company, learn a trade, perform better than his piers, be promoted to management, learn to manage, preform better as a manager than his piers, be promoted to executive, learn that position, then perform his duties well enough he could stay till retirement.
you're entitled, but youve earned nothing. BTW, you can still follow his path, people work their way up all the time. if they are willing to work.
04-25-2022, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
You seem upset.Cliffs:
- OP talks to boomer about his career in the energy sector
- Boomer doesn't have a college degree
- Boomer "called and asked if they were hiriing"
- Hired as a tradie
- Eventually promoted to executive leadership of operations (unclear on exact job title)
- Phuck boomers ded srs
I met this boomer friend of my parents yesterday at some New Orleans music festival where booomers congregate to relive the glory days and binge drink. I got to talking to him, and he retired from Shell USA in the 90s. I've always been interested in the energy sector, to the point of having applied for several jobs in O&G.
I was asking him how he got into the industry and if he had any advice on transitioning from IT (my current field), because surely there must be a need for tech people in the energy sector. This brah had the straight up boomer dream career track. "Just called and asked if they were hiring" (ded srs) is how he got some tradie-tier job in a refinery. Worked his way up to tradie-manager and then was eventually brought in to executive management of operations for the region.
Just lmfao. This brah doesn't even have a college degree and while he was certainly a smart enough dude, he was fairly simple. I've applied for jobs at Shell and they made me submit copies of every single document/credential I claimed on my resume before the interview and I had to bring the originals to the interview itself to be inspected (srs). Did boomers have to work for literally anything or did all of them just fail upwards for their entire life?
- OP talks to boomer about his career in the energy sector
- Boomer doesn't have a college degree
- Boomer "called and asked if they were hiriing"
- Hired as a tradie
- Eventually promoted to executive leadership of operations (unclear on exact job title)
- Phuck boomers ded srs
I met this boomer friend of my parents yesterday at some New Orleans music festival where booomers congregate to relive the glory days and binge drink. I got to talking to him, and he retired from Shell USA in the 90s. I've always been interested in the energy sector, to the point of having applied for several jobs in O&G.
I was asking him how he got into the industry and if he had any advice on transitioning from IT (my current field), because surely there must be a need for tech people in the energy sector. This brah had the straight up boomer dream career track. "Just called and asked if they were hiring" (ded srs) is how he got some tradie-tier job in a refinery. Worked his way up to tradie-manager and then was eventually brought in to executive management of operations for the region.
Just lmfao. This brah doesn't even have a college degree and while he was certainly a smart enough dude, he was fairly simple. I've applied for jobs at Shell and they made me submit copies of every single document/credential I claimed on my resume before the interview and I had to bring the originals to the interview itself to be inspected (srs). Did boomers have to work for literally anything or did all of them just fail upwards for their entire life?
The guy needed a job, called and asked if the company was hiring, got the job and worked his way to the top. All with no college degree.
And then there is you.... College degree and can't figure out how to get a job in that field. LOL And you blame the Boomer!
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04-25-2022, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted By MFarrar74⏩
Knew someone was going to call me entitled. It has nothing to do with entitlement brah, I don't lament my career or the choices I've made in it."work" is the word you are confusing. You think YOU have to work harder than him because you have a completely unrelated degree and have to go through a strenuous interview process to get a job in a field you have no experience in.
He had to start out at the literal bottom of the company, learn a trade, perform better than his piers, be promoted to management, learn to manage, preform better as a manager than his piers, be promoted to executive, learn that position, then perform his duties well enough he could stay till retirement.
you're entitled, but youve earned nothing. BTW, you can still follow his path, people work their way up all the time. if they are willing to work.
He had to start out at the literal bottom of the company, learn a trade, perform better than his piers, be promoted to management, learn to manage, preform better as a manager than his piers, be promoted to executive, learn that position, then perform his duties well enough he could stay till retirement.
you're entitled, but youve earned nothing. BTW, you can still follow his path, people work their way up all the time. if they are willing to work.
Just lmfao if you can't see that the modern globalized world has created a sharp increase in competition for jobs that didn't exist in the phucking 80s. That's what I'm talking about.
Originally Posted By kcadrenalin⏩
Why do boomers all seethe immediately if you point out that the economic conditions of their generation were far more favorable to the worker than in modern times?You seem upset.
The guy needed a job, called and asked if the company was hiring, got the job and worked his way to the top. All with no college degree.
And then there is you.... College degree and can't figure out how to get a job in that field. LOL And you blame the Boomer!
The guy needed a job, called and asked if the company was hiring, got the job and worked his way to the top. All with no college degree.
And then there is you.... College degree and can't figure out how to get a job in that field. LOL And you blame the Boomer!
04-25-2022, 07:09 AM
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It's still the case lazy ******* that wants everything handed on a silver platter.
Be a problem solver and keep your eye on the next rung and anyone can climb the chain.
Sit back, beechin, complaining, gossiping, do min and you will sit in the same spot. All the ones that went up the ladder put in the work solving the problems and staying active.
Be a problem solver and keep your eye on the next rung and anyone can climb the chain.
Sit back, beechin, complaining, gossiping, do min and you will sit in the same spot. All the ones that went up the ladder put in the work solving the problems and staying active.
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04-25-2022, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted By Gayford⏩
Wow, thread is really backfiring on me lmfao. I'm not complaining brah, I'm just blown away that someone could have such a barrierless career track. The divide between executive and operations management is so great in modern industry, that I think it would be next to impossible for a tradie-tier O&G employee to transition to anything higher than tradie-manager.It's still the case lazy ******* that wants everything handed on a silver platter.
Be a problem solver and keep your eye on the next rung and anyone can climb the chain.
Sit back, beechin, complaining, gossiping, do min and you will sit in the same spot. All the ones that went up the ladder put in the work solving the problems and staying active.
Be a problem solver and keep your eye on the next rung and anyone can climb the chain.
Sit back, beechin, complaining, gossiping, do min and you will sit in the same spot. All the ones that went up the ladder put in the work solving the problems and staying active.
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did you try applying for an entry level tradie job?
04-25-2022, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
depending on the field, i would actually disagree. There are a lot of high paying jobs out there. Recruiters are inboxing my linkedin constantly. I do agree that at the top level of major cooperation's they are looking for different people now. you probably would struggle to work your way up to VP, they would be after someone with a MBA and six sigma certs. Id hardly blame boomers for this, thats more a gen x, millennial issue, they were the ones pushed in to going college, so they are more likely to respect education over experience.Knew someone was going to call me entitled. It has nothing to do with entitlement brah, I don't lament my career or the choices I've made in it.
Just lmfao if you can't see that the modern globalized world has created a sharp increase in competition for jobs that didn't exist in the phucking 80s. That's what I'm talking about.
Why do boomers all seethe immediately if you point out that the economic conditions of their generation were far more favorable to the worker than in modern times?
Just lmfao if you can't see that the modern globalized world has created a sharp increase in competition for jobs that didn't exist in the phucking 80s. That's what I'm talking about.
Why do boomers all seethe immediately if you point out that the economic conditions of their generation were far more favorable to the worker than in modern times?
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Originally Posted By MFarrar74⏩
Oh yeah brah, I'm in IT. I get messages from recruiters too. Again, no real issues with my own career. I'm specifically talking about the fact that 40 years ago someone could work their way up from a tradie-tier job into a suit-wearing executive job for one of the largest global energy corporations in the world. With no college degree and no real credentials of any kind.depending on the field, i would actually disagree. There are a lot of high paying jobs out there. Recruiters are inboxing my linkedin constantly. I do agree that at the top level of major cooperation's they are looking for different people now. you probably would struggle to work your way up to VP, they would be after someone with a MBA and six sigma certs. Id hardly blame boomers for this, thats more a gen x, millennial issue, they were the ones pushed in to going college, so they are more likely to respect education over experience.
I don't believe that would be possible today. You would never make it out of middle management without an MBA, and you certainly wouldn't make it to execurive-level leadership without a prestigious MBA.
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04-25-2022, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
I know plenty of fellow Gen Xers that have worked their way up to VP status without a college degree. once you are in the door, your education is less important.Oh yeah brah, I'm in IT. I get messages from recruiters too. Again, no real issues with my own career. I'm specifically talking about the fact that 40 years ago someone could work their way up from a tradie-tier job into a suit-wearing executive job for one of the largest global energy corporations in the world. With no college degree and no real credentials of any kind.
I don't believe that would be possible today. You would never make it out of middle management without an MBA, and you certainly wouldn't make it to execurive-level leadership without a prestigious MBA.
Glad to see you ITT brah.
I don't believe that would be possible today. You would never make it out of middle management without an MBA, and you certainly wouldn't make it to execurive-level leadership without a prestigious MBA.
Glad to see you ITT brah.
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while boomers disgust me,
you sound entitled af, why is it unbelievable that people work their way up from tradie status to executive management? clearly the guy did a lot of the right things and probably worked hard to get up there, it doesn't just fall on your lap like that.
doesn't happen to everyone. leadership/management/communication skills can get you pretty far, those skills most people lack and a college degree certainly doesn't teach you any of that.
you sound entitled af, why is it unbelievable that people work their way up from tradie status to executive management? clearly the guy did a lot of the right things and probably worked hard to get up there, it doesn't just fall on your lap like that.
doesn't happen to everyone. leadership/management/communication skills can get you pretty far, those skills most people lack and a college degree certainly doesn't teach you any of that.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
Yeah that's certainly true. But what industry are they in brah? Strategic industries like oil & gas are usually a little less forgiving of things like that then something like IT. I know plenty of people in IT who have no college education and just taught themselves C# or something. Again, I realize that is a common enough story-- to me, that is like getting a job at a Big 4 consultancy with no degree. Without some really good connections, it's not gonna happen for just the average person-- no matter how charismatic or inately able to do the job they are.I know plenty of fellow Gen Xers that have worked their way up to VP status without a college degree. once you are in the door, your education is less important.
Originally Posted By sooby⏩
Damn, evidentally I'm an entitled kunt. Sorry misc. Stressing once again that this isn't about my own career, it's about the lack of barriers which boomers seemed to face in the 80s.while boomers disgust me,
you sound entitled af, why is it unbelievable that people work their way up from tradie status to executive management? clearly the guy did a lot of the right things and probably worked hard to get up there, it doesn't just fall on your lap like that.
doesn't happen to everyone. leadership/management/communication skills can get you pretty far, those skills most people lack and a college degree certainly doesn't teach you any of that.
you sound entitled af, why is it unbelievable that people work their way up from tradie status to executive management? clearly the guy did a lot of the right things and probably worked hard to get up there, it doesn't just fall on your lap like that.
doesn't happen to everyone. leadership/management/communication skills can get you pretty far, those skills most people lack and a college degree certainly doesn't teach you any of that.
To answer your question, it's unbelievable to me because in order to work your way up from a tradie position to executive operations management of one of the largest energy corporations in the world in the modern day, you would 100% have to acquire some credentialing on the way up. Further, I believe the gap between executive and middle management to be too great for the average employee to overcome-- not saying it can't happen, just saying that for most, it won't.
04-25-2022, 07:30 AM
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This is what confuses me about the younger generations. It seems everyone thinks they should walk into a high paying job and won't accept anything below what they consider acceptable. Sometimes you have to take a low paying job to get your foot in the door and then prove yourself to move up.
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
It happens all the time. Just requires both hard work and luck, you have to be in the right place at the right time when a leadership role opens. Lots of companies prefer to hire from within then backfill (or not fill at all and just give others more work) because it's cheaper and you can often low-ball.Oh yeah brah, I'm in IT. I get messages from recruiters too. Again, no real issues with my own career. I'm specifically talking about the fact that 40 years ago someone could work their way up from a tradie-tier job into a suit-wearing executive job for one of the largest global energy corporations in the world. With no college degree and no real credentials of any kind.
I don't believe that would be possible today. You would never make it out of middle management without an MBA, and you certainly wouldn't make it to execurive-level leadership without a prestigious MBA.
I don't believe that would be possible today. You would never make it out of middle management without an MBA, and you certainly wouldn't make it to execurive-level leadership without a prestigious MBA.
I know someone a few years older than me who recently got hired as a C level with no college degree, he ran a successful business in the same sector for years and decided to sell it and get a job that would be less demanding.
04-25-2022, 07:34 AM
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That’s a literal career path at most big box stores and large corporation food chains. Start at bottom, accept or go after extra training for shift lead, then department manager then assistant manager then store manager then division manager then VP of operations for an entire region. Department managers (like being in charge of clothes or grocery) make 70k a year. Store managers make a healthy six figure salary. Division managers make closer to half a mil. Etc etc.
Walmart, Target, Costco, McDonald’s. All of them offer it and they pay for training. They rarely hire out for non-executive positions. And none of the positions I mention require a college degree. Just work hard, follow the rules, be a company man.
Edit: I want you to understand that while somewhere like Shell may not have options like this anymore plenty of companies still do. For example my dad and I were at Home Depot and we ran into an acquaintance he knew from construction who worked there. Dude left construction, took an initial hefty pay cut but had recently been promoted to shift lead or something and was back to making more than his old tradie salary, plus full benefits. He said 3 more years and he’s eligible for AM making more than he ever would at his old job and goes to the same store every week (had to travel a lot as tradie) is either home to take kids to school or for dinner every night, guaranteed raises every year. It’s not for everyone but it’s not hard to work up. The bar is so low now that just showing up, getting along with coworkers and management and doing your job is enough that most places will ask if you want a promotion.
Walmart, Target, Costco, McDonald’s. All of them offer it and they pay for training. They rarely hire out for non-executive positions. And none of the positions I mention require a college degree. Just work hard, follow the rules, be a company man.
Edit: I want you to understand that while somewhere like Shell may not have options like this anymore plenty of companies still do. For example my dad and I were at Home Depot and we ran into an acquaintance he knew from construction who worked there. Dude left construction, took an initial hefty pay cut but had recently been promoted to shift lead or something and was back to making more than his old tradie salary, plus full benefits. He said 3 more years and he’s eligible for AM making more than he ever would at his old job and goes to the same store every week (had to travel a lot as tradie) is either home to take kids to school or for dinner every night, guaranteed raises every year. It’s not for everyone but it’s not hard to work up. The bar is so low now that just showing up, getting along with coworkers and management and doing your job is enough that most places will ask if you want a promotion.
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Originally Posted By dmike100⏩
Holy phuck, obviously brah. The fact that so many boomers (if you are a boomer too) are ITT dropping platitudes on me honestly sort of vindicates my feelings that they had an easier time navigating the job market than modern generations though. "Just a little hard work you entitled millenial!"This is what confuses me about the younger generations. It seems everyone thinks they should walk into a high paying job and won't accept anything below what they consider acceptable. Sometimes you have to take a low paying job to get your foot in the door and then prove yourself to move up.
As I've said over and over again, this isn't about my expectation to receive an executive job immediately, it's about the fact that the barriers to accessing such positions have pretty much all been constructed by the same people who didn't have to overcome any of them themselves.
Originally Posted By Holyfenix⏩
Very aware. I'm talking specifically about oil & gas though brah.That’s a literal career path at most big box stores and large corporation food chains. Start at bottom, accept or go after extra training for shift lead, then department manager then assistant manager then store manager then division manager then VP of operations for an entire region. Department managers (like being in charge of clothes or grocery) make 70k a year. Store managers make a healthy six figure salary. Division managers make closer to half a mil. Etc etc.
Walmart, Target, Costco, McDonald’s. All of them offer it and they pay for training. They rarely hire out for non-executive positions. And none of the positions I mention require a college degree. Just work hard, follow the rules, be a company man.
Walmart, Target, Costco, McDonald’s. All of them offer it and they pay for training. They rarely hire out for non-executive positions. And none of the positions I mention require a college degree. Just work hard, follow the rules, be a company man.
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OP is a sad entitled cnt
LOL i have a degree and certifications none of which help me in the slightest in my job
ability to deal with people, an analytical mind, social skills,logical thinking and EXPERIENCE far outweigh any BS abilities skills you think you have
i have met plenty of super qualified young people with Masters and Doctorates who have fkn zero ability to translate that into real world performance and crumble under the slightest bit of pressure or situations that require a bit of hard talking or challenging someone.
All wrapped up in their fee fees , weak ass punks...................grow a pair
LOL i have a degree and certifications none of which help me in the slightest in my job
ability to deal with people, an analytical mind, social skills,logical thinking and EXPERIENCE far outweigh any BS abilities skills you think you have
i have met plenty of super qualified young people with Masters and Doctorates who have fkn zero ability to translate that into real world performance and crumble under the slightest bit of pressure or situations that require a bit of hard talking or challenging someone.
All wrapped up in their fee fees , weak ass punks...................grow a pair
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brb 33 without a degree making 114 hehetymen
Where there's a will, there's a way. Just have to not be a retard and take opportunities as they come. Some people just get many more opportunities because life ain't fair
Where there's a will, there's a way. Just have to not be a retard and take opportunities as they come. Some people just get many more opportunities because life ain't fair
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
Bro I have a good job in a field I like that I wouldn't be able to get based purely on my credentials. I understand the value of hard work and real-world job experience. That's not what this thread is about.OP is a sad entitled cnt
LOL i have a degree and certifications none of which help me in the slightest in my job
ability to deal with people, an analytical mind, social skills,logical thinking and EXPERIENCE far outweigh any BS abilities skills you think you have
i have met plenty of super qualified young people with Masters and Doctorates who have fkn zero ability to translate that into real world performance and crumble under the slightest bit of pressure or situations that require a bit of hard talking or challenging someone.
All wrapped up in their fee fees , weak ass punks...................grow a pair
LOL i have a degree and certifications none of which help me in the slightest in my job
ability to deal with people, an analytical mind, social skills,logical thinking and EXPERIENCE far outweigh any BS abilities skills you think you have
i have met plenty of super qualified young people with Masters and Doctorates who have fkn zero ability to translate that into real world performance and crumble under the slightest bit of pressure or situations that require a bit of hard talking or challenging someone.
All wrapped up in their fee fees , weak ass punks...................grow a pair
It's about the fact that the career path that this Boomer described to me, in the specific industry he worked, would not be possible in the modern world. Sorry, but you are coping hard if you think Shell US is putting tradies on their executive leadership team still.
Originally Posted By DesiredUser****⏩
Mirin.brb 33 without a degree making 114 hehetymen
Where there's a will, there's a way. Just have to not be a retard and take opportunities as they come. Some people just get many more opportunities because life ain't fair
Where there's a will, there's a way. Just have to not be a retard and take opportunities as they come. Some people just get many more opportunities because life ain't fair
04-25-2022, 07:44 AM
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I work for ExxonMobil in Canada so maybe I can shed some light on how I started in O&G.
Was extremely lucky to be hired right before the downturn in 2014. I was 24 back then and had went to University to be a banker and it wasn't my thing, so I went to a technical college here to be a process operator. In the states, specifically XOM, there isn't much schooling to get you through the door. They're big on hiring military guys too.
Times have changed significantly. When I started, the last of the boom booms were retiring and they'd tell me their stories. For many of them it was just a summer job. They looked in the paper after high school and applied, unbeknownst to them at the time it would turn into a very lucrative career. Many of these guys retired with massive pensions, make 150K a year plus overtime, and a big buy-out. There was a massive shortage of skilled labor in those decades.
Now a days, we have in some ways an over-educated work force and lots of immigration. It's not uncommon for us to get 1,000+ applications for a spot, and that's in Canada. Technology is also a big factor. If there's any keywords in the posting for experience or education it must be in your resume or the filters will automatically purge you.
It's almost impossible for a trade guy to climb the ladder now. Engineers are the bosses and VP's for the most part. But with that being said the yearly salary in many cases eclipses the engineers as a tradie.
Was extremely lucky to be hired right before the downturn in 2014. I was 24 back then and had went to University to be a banker and it wasn't my thing, so I went to a technical college here to be a process operator. In the states, specifically XOM, there isn't much schooling to get you through the door. They're big on hiring military guys too.
Times have changed significantly. When I started, the last of the boom booms were retiring and they'd tell me their stories. For many of them it was just a summer job. They looked in the paper after high school and applied, unbeknownst to them at the time it would turn into a very lucrative career. Many of these guys retired with massive pensions, make 150K a year plus overtime, and a big buy-out. There was a massive shortage of skilled labor in those decades.
Now a days, we have in some ways an over-educated work force and lots of immigration. It's not uncommon for us to get 1,000+ applications for a spot, and that's in Canada. Technology is also a big factor. If there's any keywords in the posting for experience or education it must be in your resume or the filters will automatically purge you.
It's almost impossible for a trade guy to climb the ladder now. Engineers are the bosses and VP's for the most part. But with that being said the yearly salary in many cases eclipses the engineers as a tradie.
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04-25-2022, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
I am not a boomer, Gen x. I guess, I can understand your point in regards to barriers in the workforce. Networking and making connections is highly important in getting inside some fields now. If I were starting out again that is where I would focus my energy.Holy phuck, obviously brah. The fact that so many boomers (if you are a boomer too) are ITT dropping platitudes on me honestly sort of vindicates my feelings that they had an easier time navigating the job market than modern generations though. "Just a little hard work you entitled millenial!"
As I've said over and over again, this isn't about my expectation to receive an executive job immediately, it's about the fact that the barriers to accessing such positions have pretty much all been constructed by the same people who didn't have to overcome any of them themselves.
Very aware. I'm talking specifically about oil & gas though brah.
As I've said over and over again, this isn't about my expectation to receive an executive job immediately, it's about the fact that the barriers to accessing such positions have pretty much all been constructed by the same people who didn't have to overcome any of them themselves.
Very aware. I'm talking specifically about oil & gas though brah.
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04-25-2022, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
Aerospace, defense contractors, consulting firms.Yeah that's certainly true. But what industry are they in brah? Strategic industries like oil & gas are usually a little less forgiving of things like that then something like IT. I know plenty of people in IT who have no college education and just taught themselves C# or something. Again, I realize that is a common enough story-- to me, that is like getting a job at a Big 4 consultancy with no degree. Without some really good connections, it's not gonna happen for just the average person-- no matter how charismatic or inately able to do the job they are.
it depends on where you get in at if you need a degree, after that it is on you what you do with the opportunity.
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Originally Posted By Bavaria⏩
Repped. Holy phuck someone understands what I'm talking about.I work for ExxonMobil in Canada so maybe I can shed some light on how I started in O&G.
Was extremely lucky to be hired right before the downturn in 2014. I was 24 back then and had went to University to be a banker and it wasn't my thing, so I went to a technical college here to be a process operator. In the states, specifically XOM, there isn't much schooling to get you through the door. They're big on hiring military guys too.
Times have changed significantly. When I started, the last of the boom booms were retiring and they'd tell me their stories. For many of them it was just a summer job. They looked in the paper after high school and applied, unbeknownst to them at the time it would turn into a very lucrative career. Many of these guys retired with massive pensions, make 150K a year plus overtime, and a big buy-out. There was a massive shortage of skilled labor in those decades.
Now a days, we have in some ways an over-educated work force and lots of immigration. It's not uncommon for us to get 1,000+ applications for a spot, and that's in Canada. Technology is also a big factor. If there's any keywords in the posting for experience or education it must be in your resume or the filters will automatically purge you.
It's almost impossible for a trade guy to climb the ladder now. Engineers are the bosses and VP's for the most part. But with that being said the yearly salary in many cases eclipses the engineers as a tradie.
Was extremely lucky to be hired right before the downturn in 2014. I was 24 back then and had went to University to be a banker and it wasn't my thing, so I went to a technical college here to be a process operator. In the states, specifically XOM, there isn't much schooling to get you through the door. They're big on hiring military guys too.
Times have changed significantly. When I started, the last of the boom booms were retiring and they'd tell me their stories. For many of them it was just a summer job. They looked in the paper after high school and applied, unbeknownst to them at the time it would turn into a very lucrative career. Many of these guys retired with massive pensions, make 150K a year plus overtime, and a big buy-out. There was a massive shortage of skilled labor in those decades.
Now a days, we have in some ways an over-educated work force and lots of immigration. It's not uncommon for us to get 1,000+ applications for a spot, and that's in Canada. Technology is also a big factor. If there's any keywords in the posting for experience or education it must be in your resume or the filters will automatically purge you.
It's almost impossible for a trade guy to climb the ladder now. Engineers are the bosses and VP's for the most part. But with that being said the yearly salary in many cases eclipses the engineers as a tradie.
Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
Consulting is a LARP, so no surprise that those kunts are unqualified af, aerospace is a surprising one though. That's where my education and early career path lies so I have seen the hiring process. Though, tbf, no one ever asked to see my degree.Aerospace, defense contractors, consulting firms.
it depends on where you get in at if you need a degree, after that it is on you what you do with the opportunity.
it depends on where you get in at if you need a degree, after that it is on you what you do with the opportunity.
04-25-2022, 07:50 AM
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Those cocksuckers had it so easy. Think about how hard it is to find good opportunities these days.
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04-25-2022, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Sorry brah, acknowledging the reality of the disparity in economic conditions between the 1980s and 2020s, and the effects that they had on the upward career trajectory of the people living during those times is actually entitled I've learned ITT.Those cocksuckers had it so easy. Think about how hard it is to find good opportunities these days.
04-25-2022, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
It is definitely a different era. I don't agree that our generation is screwed or any of that non-sense.Repped. Holy phuck someone understands what I'm talking about.
Boomers made sacrifices in their day that many of the new generation are not willing to. Such as working out of town, 12 hours a day, over-time, hard labor, working weekends and night shifts.
It is amazing how many people I see turn down jobs where I'm at because they have to do shift-work, overtime, and what not. And they're 100k+ a year jobs.
I will agree it's not as easy to get in the door and the past, but there are many many opportunities out there, people just aren't willing to sacrifice to take advantage of them.
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
Buy they are qualified - that was my pointRepped. Holy phuck someone understands what I'm talking about.
Consulting is a LARP, so no surprise that those kunts are unqualified af, aerospace is a surprising one though. That's where my education and early career path lies so I have seen the hiring process. Though, tbf, no one ever asked to see my degree.
Consulting is a LARP, so no surprise that those kunts are unqualified af, aerospace is a surprising one though. That's where my education and early career path lies so I have seen the hiring process. Though, tbf, no one ever asked to see my degree.
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