Imagine being a college grad trying to get into the job market now. You need four years of experience to get an entry level job.

Boomer cocksuckers could just get hired calling the employer directly with no degree (debt) needed.

It’s a privilege to get on the job training. Now of days employers don’t believe in on the job training, due to cost.

Bro I repped you don't turn on me now. Obviously there is a sweat equity deficit in modern generations, I acknowledge that. My whole point is that the "entry-level to executive-level" career track is almost entirely gone from strategic industry. Although, Cleveland33 evidently says it's still alive in certain fields.

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Believe it or not but in Australia you can still somewhat do this. I got my first job with Fluor on OandG projects when i was 19 in 2005. I didn't do college but had a half-completed tech cert and they gave me a job as a Draftsperson. It was a TAFE Cert III for the aussies.

The MISC will never agree with these type of threads bevause they echo the same sentiments a lot of the woke/liberals whine about.

Truth is even a broken clock is right twice a day. They arent wrong here-- and theres a difference between wanting to be handed something and want favorable conditions for opportunity if you put in the work.

Boomer generation raked in all the proceeds from americans time at the top, didnt leave anything left for the next generation. Cant blame them but you also cant ignore the current conditions/climate/value of the dollar, job opportunity, advancements, etc.

You don't know wtf you're talking about. Grab them bootstraps and pull yourself up into an executive level position at XOM you entitled turd.

Yep, I remember all of this shyt. Fuark it can be absolutely brutal getting started in a field so you can even start getting that initial experience.

The ultimate cuckening is the whole non paying internship thing, because guess what? A lot of places don't consider UNPAID work as actual experience.

I respect the generation before them their parents but not the boomers they are the ones that made the real sacrificies definitely weren't the boomers lol.

There is only one Global Energy sector company that you should targeting Tommy:https://careers.aramco.com/expat_us/...cants/7717823/

Exactly, it's just unbelievable to hear these stories and listen to these boomers patting themselves on the backs while at the same time browbeating younger generations for being unable to do the same thing as them, despite it being almost completely unheard of on the modern job market.I'll send off at least one application today ded srs. FUARK what a Chad career.This. Stop complaining. One-year treasury bonds yielded 15%+ per annum in the 80s (nowadays you're lucky if they yield 2%), the job market was exploding, credentialing was optional, and houses cost $40,000 in southern California.

Pure work ethic.

there are people like that in every company. degrees only prove that you can see something through for 4 years. juat lol at thinking anything you learn is relevant to your work life.

brb doing some chemistry experiments for mr shecklestein in my cube

I think you are confusing "just work a little harder" with 'it can be done'. I'm not sure there is any evidence that it's harder to get into the oil and gas industry than it was 20 years ago. There may be far less opportunities in that industry because it is now shrinking when 20 years ago it was growing. That is going to be true with any industry. There are going to be more opportunities in any field that is rapidly expanding. Timing is everything. Being mad that some guy made it to the top without a college degree is lame. You see the end result, not the journey. The guy started out taking a job that most people with a college degree would scoff at. Hard work, long hours, low pay, etc. It took years for him to move up. Being a "Boomer" had nothing to do with it. There were most likely 100s of other "Boomers" that started out with that exact same job as the guy you mentioned. How did that guy make it to the top? Figure that out and emulate it. I guarantee hard work was part of it but only a small part.
Anyway, good luck with whatever career path you end up taking. srs.

LOL....time has changed OP, what happened 40 years ago is not the same to day adapt and get on with it.

you have all the benefits and opportunities of a modern protected society and still whine like a fkr

maybe people should be able to work their way up without qualifications as so many of the so called qualified are chit

If you don't meet the requirements yet for a job in Saudi (years of experience and education level are the most critical), then you can try to get your foot in the door at Aramco Services in Houston:https://americas.aramco.com/en/careers/aramco-americas

We had several US citizens transfer to Saudi from Houston...

P.S. They love MBA's and professional certifications and use them for hiring differentiators

I wish boomers were also the ones owning all the pit bulls. Would make for epic threads

So Boomers got hired when a high school degree was sufficient, then worked their way up to management through hard work and dedication. Yet now that they are in management they insist you have a college degree and wont hire you based off of the promise of "I'll work hard and be dedicated". Then they fuked up their 401k and are retiring at an older age. This creates a bottle neck for moving up from that "tradie" job to management. They climbed a golden ladder, pulled it up after themselves and let down a tattered rope while yelling that the younger generation has it too good.

Plasma T.V's are cheaper, yay, that really helps the fact that houses are at the most unattainable price point ever and SS is a pyramid scheme that fuks each generation harder and harder.

Yes bro, obviously-- look at success and emulate it. Why do you think I was asking this successful Boomer about his career in the first place?

Would you seriously suggest that the most viable way to make it to the executive leadership of a global energy corporation in 2022 is to get a tradie-tier job in a refinery doing unskilled labor for which no degree is required and then working my way up though?

That's my only point-- the economic conditions of peak America really BTFO the economic conditions of globalized America.I was trying to convey a tone of dumbfoundedness rather than malice, but I see I failed lmfao.Thank you for the platitude brah.Nah bro you're just entitled.

Whatever you do, don't take the advise of anyone who has been there and done that and succeeded. Never. Listen to a bunch of philosophizing failures. Listen to your teachers with their liberal arts degrees in the peak of their fallback careers because they couldn't do anything else. Listen to Reddit. Listen to the Misc.

Yes bro, I was asking this Boomer about his career because I was trying to learn from his success. But sometimes, misc memes are right. The Boomer career track is one of those cases and you're coping hard if you try to deny it.I'm not whinging brah, but you're LARPing if that kind of career track doesn't sound unbelievable to you in the modern day energy sector (as several people in the field currently have already attested to ITT).

I'd rather have a disappointing shag with a 50 something year old who poses as a girl on BB.com then contribute another dime to social security. At least I can coom.

did you happen to ask him how difficult his career track was?

Exactly my point. Is it a strategic sector and/or a market-leader organization (FAANG, Big 4, etc.)?I didn't want to be rude and ask it so plainly because the brah was cool, but I did ask him some leading questions like "do you think a transition from operations management to executive management is still possible?" and he said, as others ITT from the same field said, that "no, those times are gone."

Yes sir, we are on the same page.

The days of walking in the door with your boots on and getting a job are largely gone. It still exists but they have to be found.

It is possible to climb the ladder but it's few and far between depending on your competency level. Because I am not an engineer my ceiling is capped. That's just how it is, but that doesn't mean I still can't make big money and live a great life.

I just don't buy into the constant pu$$sy-aching that there's no jobs, bums need their student debt paid off by the government. There is opportunities out there, just not as a dinosaur turd polisher that some nerd took 5 years of schooling for.

Well, again, as I've said, I'm underqualified for the position I have based strictly on credentialing, I know it's possible to do because I worked my way up to a higher position than my degree qualifies me, but I don't work for a market-leading organization or in a strategic industry.

Any insight on how your friends were able to get on the track that took them from an entry-level and/or tradie-tier job to executive management? Or did they come in somewhere in the middle? I'm aware that the latter is totally possible in the modern world, my case is the strictly bottom-to-top elevation. Mailroom-to-boardroom type of thing.Oh for sure. There is an industrious crisis in modern American men. Walking around downtown NOLA I can't tell you how many young, able-bodied men with "give me money" signs I see sitting in front of a CVS with a "Now Hiring" sign in the window.

Makes me phuckin' ashamed ded srs.

If someone wants to start in O&G they can do it in 5 seconds.

Every rig and frac spread is dieing for people right now. If you can write your name and kind of speak they will take you. It's hard work and brutal but it's a job, a well paying one.

Looking further down the line, can you go for a rig hand to senior VP? Unlikely. It can/does still happen but there is much more competition out there these days and tons of degrees floating around.

Phuck no mang, my tradie days are behind me. I was in the Local 86 in Seattle for a couple years (after a few other tradie jobs led me there), that was enough lmfao. I'd be interested in building IT infrastructure or doing analytics for an energy company though.

Work from home / IT didn't exist in boomer times.

Nobody mentions boomer travel across the nation for half the jobs that were available.

Be lucky you even have that option.

Get off your ass and work harder and/or smarter.

It's not a boomer thing, it's everyone. You ask them how they got to where they got and they act like they were knocking it out and dragging it home from day 1. They already knew it, they went to college to prove they knew it, and once in the field they had to rise through the ranks proving they knew it the whole time. It was easy for them. Masters of the universe. Their ego that they've always had it. Often people look back and think "it really wasn't that hard" but that's easy for them now.

When I first got into being an auto tech and was just a kid changing oil and trying to learn more these older guys would just mog on me and try to make me feel bad because of skills I didn't knave and things I didn't know and they would straight up tell me they always had it and could always do those things and all that changed is they are faster now. Told me since I didn't have it I would never have it so I might as well find something else because I don't have the capacity to ever do those things. Got to admit it was discouraging. Almost accepted my fate of being an oil and tire changer for life. Not going to make a whole career story here but eventually snapped out of it and really hammered down realizing I had a lot to learn and really worked for it, Got away from their mindset. Now I'm a senior master with diesel, electric vehicle, hybrid as well as gas powered, lead diagnostic tech, specialist, shop foreman (sort of). I'd blow those guys away now and looking back most of them were mediocre at best. It wasn't easy and it wasn't overnight.

Also, jsut because you have a degree doesn't mean much. Of 4 years, just about 2 are towards your field in reality. You've barely got your feet wet.

I'd love to work a rig and frac spread for a month or two just to experience it. Looks beast mode. Definitely not as a career though lol.

I misunderstood what you were trying to do.

IT is quite a bit different in the O&G area. Typically it would all be completely contracted out. Unless if your an applications engineer of some sort.