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Anyone know of or take any natty test booster or aromatase inhibitors?
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No need to mess with an AI unless you actually have gyno. Estrogen by itself isn't bad and you don't want to lower it unless it's too high.
And all of the natty test boosters actually work a little bit. Longjack, tribulus, ashawaganda etc. The effects just probably aren't noticeable by those who are used to injecting test and having levels 500% higher than their normal instead of 20-30% higher like the herbals give you.
And all of the natty test boosters actually work a little bit. Longjack, tribulus, ashawaganda etc. The effects just probably aren't noticeable by those who are used to injecting test and having levels 500% higher than their normal instead of 20-30% higher like the herbals give you.
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I had some mild gyno in one nip, took some Nolva to reduce it, which it did. It's not an aromatase inhibitor, rather an estrogen receptor blocker. A side effect is your test does go up a little bit, something like 30-50%. Nothing earth shattering so I wasn't breaking PRs, but if I remember correctly it seemed like my recovery time was a little faster.
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We've had threads on Tongkat Ali being a game changer for some poeple, but for others it does nothing. Worth a try ayway.
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For someone under 30 with no health issues, not really.
Test boosters tend to ramp exponentially up in terms of usefulness as you get older. I take some DHEA, tongkat ali and recently started looking into fadogia agrestis. I'm older, though, and might see some benefit. If you're not, don't bother. Eat meat and eggs, hit the gym hard. If you feel like you've been working out correctly, nailed your diet/routine and have made great gains already but are somewhere near your natty limit, then look into just taking the real stuff.
If you're young and a twink and can't put on muscle or make much gains -- the problem is you, your training, your commitment and your diet. Fix that. Raising your test when you're not doing things right will only lead to short-term gains. Make sure you know how to get bigger and stronger and have made a commitment to lifting before you hop on anything. Nothing is worse than young idiots who take drugs because they do not know what they're doing. They might make gains but they'll vanish once they get off since they never learned how to do it right/natty.
Someone here talking about est blockers -- one guy had the right of it. Estrogen in and of itself is not a problem. The problem is fat ****s or people who have too much of it and it's out of balance. DIM or just eating broccoli/cauliflower before you try some drug to block it, that can lead to weird sides you do not want.
Test boosters tend to ramp exponentially up in terms of usefulness as you get older. I take some DHEA, tongkat ali and recently started looking into fadogia agrestis. I'm older, though, and might see some benefit. If you're not, don't bother. Eat meat and eggs, hit the gym hard. If you feel like you've been working out correctly, nailed your diet/routine and have made great gains already but are somewhere near your natty limit, then look into just taking the real stuff.
If you're young and a twink and can't put on muscle or make much gains -- the problem is you, your training, your commitment and your diet. Fix that. Raising your test when you're not doing things right will only lead to short-term gains. Make sure you know how to get bigger and stronger and have made a commitment to lifting before you hop on anything. Nothing is worse than young idiots who take drugs because they do not know what they're doing. They might make gains but they'll vanish once they get off since they never learned how to do it right/natty.
Someone here talking about est blockers -- one guy had the right of it. Estrogen in and of itself is not a problem. The problem is fat ****s or people who have too much of it and it's out of balance. DIM or just eating broccoli/cauliflower before you try some drug to block it, that can lead to weird sides you do not want.
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Originally Posted By Ripper908⏩
It can be but bloods as you know are the only way.He's not wrong
PCT is overrated
PCT is overrated
I ran tbol only once and my test went from 600 to 180 & no PCT i rebounded extrememly quickly via bloods.
Did ostarine and it dropped my test to 80...basically shut down & needed a PCT. So it all varies.
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Originally Posted By Sgt
I think time will heal all to be honestDid ostarine and it dropped my test to 80...basically shut down & needed a PCT. So it all varies.
i blasted and cruised for 7 years and planned to come off. Called my doctor explained what I did and was hoping he would hook me up with pct drugs. He suggested I cut everything out other than test for 12 weeks and from that point on taper the dose down until I was off completely.
Felt fine surprisingly and got my test levels checked 10 weeks after and everything was back in the normal range aswell as my sperm
That being said if someone was to run a retarded blast withs 19nor and came off cold turkey I could see pct being helpful. But I think it would be better to just taper off test like my doc suggested and let everything clear out first
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Ya I guess this all makes sense. I guess I’m just looking to take something to give an “edge” without actually moving onto stuff that will cause shutdown.For someone under 30 with no health issues, not really.
Test boosters tend to ramp exponentially up in terms of usefulness as you get older. I take some DHEA, tongkat ali and recently started looking into fadogia agrestis. I'm older, though, and might see some benefit. If you're not, don't bother. Eat meat and eggs, hit the gym hard. If you feel like you've been working out correctly, nailed your diet/routine and have made great gains already but are somewhere near your natty limit, then look into just taking the real stuff.
If you're young and a twink and can't put on muscle or make much gains -- the problem is you, your training, your commitment and your diet. Fix that. Raising your test when you're not doing things right will only lead to short-term gains. Make sure you know how to get bigger and stronger and have made a commitment to lifting before you hop on anything. Nothing is worse than young idiots who take drugs because they do not know what they're doing. They might make gains but they'll vanish once they get off since they never learned how to do it right/natty.
Someone here talking about est blockers -- one guy had the right of it. Estrogen in and of itself is not a problem. The problem is fat ****s or people who have too much of it and it's out of balance. DIM or just eating broccoli/cauliflower before you try some drug to block it, that can lead to weird sides you do not want.
Test boosters tend to ramp exponentially up in terms of usefulness as you get older. I take some DHEA, tongkat ali and recently started looking into fadogia agrestis. I'm older, though, and might see some benefit. If you're not, don't bother. Eat meat and eggs, hit the gym hard. If you feel like you've been working out correctly, nailed your diet/routine and have made great gains already but are somewhere near your natty limit, then look into just taking the real stuff.
If you're young and a twink and can't put on muscle or make much gains -- the problem is you, your training, your commitment and your diet. Fix that. Raising your test when you're not doing things right will only lead to short-term gains. Make sure you know how to get bigger and stronger and have made a commitment to lifting before you hop on anything. Nothing is worse than young idiots who take drugs because they do not know what they're doing. They might make gains but they'll vanish once they get off since they never learned how to do it right/natty.
Someone here talking about est blockers -- one guy had the right of it. Estrogen in and of itself is not a problem. The problem is fat ****s or people who have too much of it and it's out of balance. DIM or just eating broccoli/cauliflower before you try some drug to block it, that can lead to weird sides you do not want.
I’m not fat and my diet has always been at least good, though not great. Been lifting for a while too.
In terms of the AI, I just want something to reduce e2 slightly (if that’s even a thing lol). I remember taking an otc AI called erase back in the day and it really did help me dry out and I felt great, maybe just placebo though.
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Originally Posted By Ripper908⏩
Depends on what you're running and you were also getting bloods. Most people blindly run gear based on whatever "bro" advice they get, and have no idea how their body is reacting. Your average gym user who cranks it up to a gram of test a week absolutely will need AI or PCT, but that is an entirely different category of user. I agree though, if you are effectively monitoring your body and educating yourself on what you're taking it can be unnecessaryI think time will heal all to be honest
i blasted and cruised for 7 years and planned to come off. Called my doctor explained what I did and was hoping he would hook me up with pct drugs. He suggested I cut everything out other than test for 12 weeks and from that point on taper the dose down until I was off completely.
Felt fine surprisingly and got my test levels checked 10 weeks after and everything was back in the normal range aswell as my sperm
That being said if someone was to run a retarded blast withs 19nor and came off cold turkey I could see pct being helpful. But I think it would be better to just taper off test like my doc suggested and let everything clear out first
i blasted and cruised for 7 years and planned to come off. Called my doctor explained what I did and was hoping he would hook me up with pct drugs. He suggested I cut everything out other than test for 12 weeks and from that point on taper the dose down until I was off completely.
Felt fine surprisingly and got my test levels checked 10 weeks after and everything was back in the normal range aswell as my sperm
That being said if someone was to run a retarded blast withs 19nor and came off cold turkey I could see pct being helpful. But I think it would be better to just taper off test like my doc suggested and let everything clear out first
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Originally Posted By Ripper908⏩
Yeah I see what you mean and do not disagree really. It can take time but how common do men truly get shut down & cannot restart? I mean maybe some that abuse insane levels for years & never come off?I think time will heal all to be honest
i blasted and cruised for 7 years and planned to come off. Called my doctor explained what I did and was hoping he would hook me up with pct drugs. He suggested I cut everything out other than test for 12 weeks and from that point on taper the dose down until I was off completely.
Felt fine surprisingly and got my test levels checked 10 weeks after and everything was back in the normal range aswell as my sperm
That being said if someone was to run a retarded blast withs 19nor and came off cold turkey I could see pct being helpful. But I think it would be better to just taper off test like my doc suggested and let everything clear out first
i blasted and cruised for 7 years and planned to come off. Called my doctor explained what I did and was hoping he would hook me up with pct drugs. He suggested I cut everything out other than test for 12 weeks and from that point on taper the dose down until I was off completely.
Felt fine surprisingly and got my test levels checked 10 weeks after and everything was back in the normal range aswell as my sperm
That being said if someone was to run a retarded blast withs 19nor and came off cold turkey I could see pct being helpful. But I think it would be better to just taper off test like my doc suggested and let everything clear out first
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dear misc tell me something i can take to raise my test levels as long as it doesn't work
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You could try Akarkara. Animal studies showed that it boosted testosterone but no human studies have been done.
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Originally Posted By dopamine72⏩
Agree on both fronts onionbrah - DAA blows my nuts up like grapefruit.D-Aspartic acid OP it actually works
That was me and it was probably around 10 years ago
I ended up smelling like a giant walking onion, even my boogers smelled like onions
It may have worked but its ABSOLUTELY not worth smelling like a god damn onion 24/7
That was me and it was probably around 10 years ago
I ended up smelling like a giant walking onion, even my boogers smelled like onions
It may have worked but its ABSOLUTELY not worth smelling like a god damn onion 24/7
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Originally Posted By NearlyBigAngus⏩
Speaking of onions, there was a fad where everyone was touting onion juice as a guaranteed testosterone booster. Apparently, it was given to test rats and in 3 weeks their testosterone levels rose 314%Agree on both fronts onionbrah - DAA blows my nuts up like grapefruit.
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Originally Posted By NearlyBigAngus⏩
lol bout to pick some more of that up myselfAgree on both fronts onionbrah - DAA blows my nuts up like grapefruit.
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Did you not see my post? It works but you smell like a fuking onion 24/7. Your breath, sweat, body odor, boogers, snot, EVERYTHING smells like onion and people can smell you. I juiced onions for maybe a week strait till the smellz built up too much.Speaking of onions, there was a fad where everyone was touting onion juice as a guaranteed testosterone booster. Apparently, it was given to test rats and in 3 weeks their testosterone levels rose 314%
source:https://ergo-log.com/onionjuice.html...0314%20percent.
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buddy i waited till 30s to pin test and i honestly in retrospect wish i had done it in my prime rather than when my body is already over the peak and breaking down.
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Originally Posted By dopamine72⏩
Whoops! my bad. I didn't see your post. But yeah I can imagine the smell must be awful.lol bout to pick some more of that up myself
Did you not see my post? It works but you smell like a fuking onion 24/7. Your breath, sweat, body odor, boogers, snot, EVERYTHING smells like onion and people can smell you. I juiced onions for maybe a week strait till the smellz built up too much.
Did you not see my post? It works but you smell like a fuking onion 24/7. Your breath, sweat, body odor, boogers, snot, EVERYTHING smells like onion and people can smell you. I juiced onions for maybe a week strait till the smellz built up too much.
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Some good ole sleep. Less screentime, fresh air, sunlight, social interaction and some competitive atmosphere is all u need OP.
Also eating stuff like Salmon, mussels, spinach, broc, eggs with the yolk and steak will help.
Zinc supp and dont fap
Most importantly live a healthy and balanced life without too many excesses and take breathers if ur body wants.
Also eating stuff like Salmon, mussels, spinach, broc, eggs with the yolk and steak will help.
Zinc supp and dont fap
Most importantly live a healthy and balanced life without too many excesses and take breathers if ur body wants.
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Originally Posted By ShortMonster⏩
Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione is Arimistane and it’s garbage. And Pes Erase Pro does not have that in it. It used to, several years ago.PES Pro has Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione, the new ones are pretty much just arimistane
Edit i have not tried these so i cant really comment, just googled it, im sure someone on here has taken both
Edit i have not tried these so i cant really comment, just googled it, im sure someone on here has taken both
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
Eurycoma longifolia studies are some of the most biased I’ve seen. The first one you posted alone has competing interests where one of the writers manufacturers a Tongkat Ali supplement.Tongkat Ali has some studies showing ~30% test boost
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3669033/
here's a good meta analysis of 100+ Tongkat studies. Ctrl-F 'tongak ali'. Almost all the studies showed significant test boost. Not enough to turn you into a monster obviously. Just enough to push someone lower normal into normal, or normal into high normal
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6274257/
unfortunately i dont know what brand has good quality Tongkat. have to make sure you're getting what it actually says on the bottle, which is hard to know
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3669033/
here's a good meta analysis of 100+ Tongkat studies. Ctrl-F 'tongak ali'. Almost all the studies showed significant test boost. Not enough to turn you into a monster obviously. Just enough to push someone lower normal into normal, or normal into high normal
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6274257/
unfortunately i dont know what brand has good quality Tongkat. have to make sure you're getting what it actually says on the bottle, which is hard to know
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Enclo + tongkat Ali will give you +300 ng/dl
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I've heard some are using enclo alone as mild trt and you can essentially run it indefinitely.
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I've heard some are using enclo alone as mild trt and you can essentially run it indefinitely.
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I tried the typical herbs in OTC test boosters (they all use the same 5-6). Longjack, i.e. tongkat ali, i.e. eurycoma... was by far the strongest. Others affected libido and mental 'androgen' feelings but less so physically.Eurycoma longifolia studies are some of the most biased I’ve seen. The first one you posted alone has competing interests where one of the writers manufacturers a Tongkat Ali supplement.
It was honestly so strong I would recommend using it carefully, tapering off, maybe cycle support, etc.
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Originally Posted By mesobuild⏩
You more or likely wasn’t getting actual Eurycoma longifolia. Even with the studies out, it’s never posted anything that would make someone feel like you mentioned. But it wouldn’t surprise me if it didn’t contain an unlabeled substance that did.I tried the typical herbs in OTC test boosters (they all use the same 5-6). Longjack, i.e. tongkat ali, i.e. eurycoma... was by far the strongest. Others affected libido and mental 'androgen' feelings but less so physically.
It was honestly so strong I would recommend using it carefully, tapering off, maybe cycle support, etc.
It was honestly so strong I would recommend using it carefully, tapering off, maybe cycle support, etc.
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Originally Posted By pojo18⏩
Wtf is enclo?Enclo + tongkat Ali will give you +300 ng/dl
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I've heard some are using enclo alone as mild trt and you can essentially run it indefinitely.
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I've heard some are using enclo alone as mild trt and you can essentially run it indefinitely.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
I assume enclomipheneWtf is enclo?
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Originally Posted By dopamine72⏩
lol. Thanks for chiming in brah. I was racking my brain trying to remember who tried it. I remember you heald out for quite a long time too.D-Aspartic acid OP it actually works
That was me and it was probably around 10 years ago
I ended up smelling like a giant walking onion, even my boogers smelled like onions
It may have worked but its ABSOLUTELY not worth smelling like a god damn onion 24/7
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Originally Posted By EDcellent⏩
A friend suggested smal; doses of DIM , as an aromatase inhibitor, since I take Tongkat Ali + Fadogia , to prevent aromatization. Doesnt DIM block androgens??? we dont want that!I've had good results with DIM, my favorite was back when mr Hyde test surge had 250mg of it and other herbs in it for natty boosts. Sadly they grossly under dossed dim and creatine in the new one. Currently using betancourt b-nox reloaded with decent results. Granted I'm 36 so it might hit me better than you, assuming you're much younger.
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