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post 1661883443 05-25-2022, 06:43 PM
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collagen supplementation, broscience or legit?

anyone take? results?
post 1661883983 05-25-2022, 06:55 PM
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I don’t notice anything specifically overnight like compared to actual moisturizers and serums. Someone told me the collagen studies are funded by the manufacturers. That said, I think it’s something that helps in the long run. I wouldn’t be able to take a scoop one day and notice a 10 percent glow increase the next.

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post 1661884053 05-25-2022, 06:56 PM
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It does help with joint pain.

I use it
post 1661884173 05-25-2022, 07:03 PM
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i follow a lot of dieticians/nutritionists in the bodybuilding/fitness world and have seen a lot that its benefits are so minuscule you are probably only feeling placebo effects from it. Kind of like trying to eat a certain food to raise testosterone, it may happen but its not going to be anything even remotely significant.

also you are probably getting in plenty of collagen from food if you dont eat like an *******
Food sources of collagen include the following:

Fish.
Chicken.
Egg whites.
Citrus fruits.
Berries.
Red and yellow vegetables.
Garlic.
White tea
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post 1661884193 05-25-2022, 07:03 PM
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Definitely helps with joint pain. I took some for my knee joints last year and it helped tremendously. I used the one that’s available at Walmart doesn’t cost as much as some of the ones out there.

post 1661884313 05-25-2022, 07:05 PM
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In for answers.

I have a tub but haven't been too stoked to use it consistently based on the various chit I've read online. Some say it works and others say it doesn't.
post 1661884393 05-25-2022, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad
In for answers.

I have a tub but haven't been too stoked to use it consistently based on the various chit I've read online. Some say it works and others say it doesn't.
If you have a tub then try it out for yourself. You already have it.
post 1661884513 05-25-2022, 07:11 PM
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Just get organic bone broth or make your own. Drink that consistently. You'll get actual collagen from it plus the other benefits from it.
post 1661884543 05-25-2022, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted By LethalGunz34
If you have a tub then try it out for yourself. You already have it.
Dude that's such a commitment.

I don't want to spend months taking 20 seconds out of my day taking this stuff if it doesn't work.

I need to know it's a sure thing before I embark on this.
post 1661884613 05-25-2022, 07:14 PM
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Eat steak, cartilage, and bone marrow.

Eat real food. Earth grown nutrients.

No powders, no pills, no potions. Eat real food.
post 1661884643 05-25-2022, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad
Dude that's such a commitment.

I don't want to spend months taking 20 seconds out of my day taking this stuff if it doesn't work.

I need to know it's a sure thing before I embark on this.
I’m becoming the same with vitamins these days. Turning into a hassle.
post 1661884793 05-25-2022, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted By LethalGunz34
I’m becoming the same with vitamins these days. Turning into a hassle.
I've been taking vitamin D3 for like 1 year now and haven't noticed a fuking thing.

I'm not sure what it's supposed to do tbh but I hear it's good chit and I want to feel the benefits god fuking dammit.
post 1661884833 05-25-2022, 07:19 PM
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Broscience unfortunately. Something about the collagen breaking down into regular amino acids in the body and not actually used as collagen


source: gf is doing PhD in molecular biology
post 1661884873 05-25-2022, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
Just get organic bone broth or make your own. Drink that consistently. You'll get actual collagen from it plus the other benefits from it.
Bone broth is another broscience thing. I drink it myself in the evening because I enjoy hot drinks, but I think as long as you have a decent diet it really isn't adding a whole lot to your life.
post 1661884893 05-25-2022, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted By DSTEE
Broscience unfortunately. Something about the collagen breaking down into regular amino acids and not actually being used as collagen by the body if I recall


source: gf is doing PhD in molecular biology
Will not be taking this. Send ur gf many thanks for saving me time and money.

Cheers
post 1661884953 05-25-2022, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted By DSTEE
Broscience unfortunately. Something about the collagen breaking down into regular amino acids and not actually being used as collagen by the body


source: gf is doing PhD in molecular biology
this would make a lot of sense, when we consume protein it is broken down into amino acids which are then taken into the bloodstream and teh body decides based on its energy demands if it is going to burn those amino acids now in the blood as energy or deposit them into muscle as stored energy to be used later. So i could definitely see how collagen just being a protein is broken down into its specific amino acids and then reabsorbed into the blood and then muscles/expended as energy. I think the only benefit to protein choices are the other micronutrients in which it contains and collagen is not a micronutrient it is a variant of a macronutrient.

Also for anyone reading this I am also explaining why consuming BCAAS or EAAS is almost the same thing as consuming protein but skipping a process, also more easily used as energy during a workout kind of like taking straight glucose/dextrose to the gut(carbohydrates convert to glucose in the blood and are stored as fat or muscle glycogen or burned off as energy in the blood)
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post 1661884973 05-25-2022, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad
I've been taking vitamin D3 for like 1 year now and haven't noticed a fuking thing.

I'm not sure what it's supposed to do tbh but I hear it's good chit and I want to feel the benefits god fuking dammit.
That’s because you’re supposed to stack it with ‘no pillow’.
post 1661885743 05-25-2022, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted By volleys
Bone broth is another broscience thing. I drink it myself in the evening because I enjoy hot drinks, but I think as long as you have a decent diet it really isn't adding a whole lot to your life.
It's not broscience. It seems that way because it went through the typical mainstream miracle food/supplement cycle that makes it out to be life changing. You actually get collagen from it that is bioavailable. By no means is it this savior supplement, but drinking bone broth has a ton of benefits and has been used for thousands of years for that. I drink it purely for digestion, and it has helped a ton with killing candida, and ultimately helps with skin. It's only a net positive to drink it.
post 1661886253 05-25-2022, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah
i follow a lot of dieticians/nutritionists in the bodybuilding/fitness world and have seen a lot that its benefits are so minuscule you are probably only feeling placebo effects from it. Kind of like trying to eat a certain food to raise testosterone, it may happen but its not going to be anything even remotely significant.

also you are probably getting in plenty of collagen from food if you dont eat like an *******
Would you say 1% difference?
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post 1661907873 05-26-2022, 09:14 AM
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I use it as coffee creamer - all the flavored **** is weird but the unflavored seems to not screw with anything.
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
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post 1661908453 05-26-2022, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted By DSTEE
Broscience unfortunately. Something about the collagen breaking down into regular amino acids in the body and not actually used as collagen


source: gf is doing PhD in molecular biology
Yeah this is what I heard as well. The collagen gets broken down in the stomach before it gets metabolized, rendering it useless
post 1661908513 05-26-2022, 09:28 AM
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I worked for awhile for the German company that held the patent and made the collagen/gelatin for joint pain relief. They originally conducted studies with the Cleveland Clinic in order to have the product approved through the FDA drug process. Having doctors prescribe a product is more profitable. I remember one of the bigger studies was a bust though. To many people stopped taking the product during the study. So the company stopped the drug approval process and instead concentrated on their over the counter sales. The company was selling the collagen as a supplement to pay for the drug approval process. The original idea was that once the product was approved as a prescription they would stop supplement sales.
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I had lingering knee issues after having meniscus trimmed up and type 2 collagen was one of the top 3 things that helped recovery. Type 2 is better for joints, types 1 and 3 better for hair, skin, and nails though I do think you get some joint support there.
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
Just get organic bone broth or make your own. Drink that consistently. You'll get actual collagen from it plus the other benefits from it.
I make bone broth and drink it 5 days a week. It def helps with joints.
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad
I've been taking vitamin D3 for like 1 year now and haven't noticed a fuking thing.

I'm not sure what it's supposed to do tbh but I hear it's good chit and I want to feel the benefits god fuking dammit.
Anybody living in a cold climate should take Vitamin D every day of their life.
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Yes, nothing crazy but its good on my joints and I think it helps with skin too. I dont even take a full scoop though.

Collagen peptides are made when collagen is hydrolyzed (predigested by enzymes), which breaks it into smaller segments. Peptides are only a few amino acids long, rather than hundreds, making collagen peptides much more easily absorbed. But does consuming collagen by mouth (as opposed to topically) support healthy skin? Is there research on that?

Yes – research shows taking collagen works

A 2021 systematic research review and meta-analysis compiled data from 19 studies on collagen and skin health that met their inclusion criteria as high-quality studies. With more than 1,100 participants across those studies, the authors concluded that supplementation with collagen peptides was superior to placebo for improving skin hydration, elasticity, and wrinkles.*3

Likewise, a 2019 review considered results from 11 other collagen studies and found that collagen supplements have a positive effect on skin hydration, elasticity, and dermal collagen density* – all while remaining generally safe to use with no reported side effects.4

A 2020 systematic review of research highlighted the mechanisms by which collagen supplementation might support healthy skin aging. The conclusion was that collagen supplementation positively impacts skin cells, including dermal fibroblasts, the cells that naturally produce collagen, and M2-like macro****es, immune cells involved in tissue remodeling and repair.*5

Regarding collagen-related skin benefits, studies show improvements are noticeable within a reasonable time frame. In two double-blind, placebo-controlled trials, positive changes in skin elasticity were measurable within four weeks of starting daily collagen supplementation.* Even more intriguing, improvements in skin elasticity remained significant four weeks after collagen supplementation ended.*6,7
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Originally Posted By KsamuelsSon
Yes, nothing crazy but its good on my joints and I think it helps with skin too. I dont even take a full scoop though.

Collagen peptides are made when collagen is hydrolyzed (predigested by enzymes), which breaks it into smaller segments. Peptides are only a few amino acids long, rather than hundreds, making collagen peptides much more easily absorbed. But does consuming collagen by mouth (as opposed to topically) support healthy skin? Is there research on that?

Yes – research shows taking collagen works

A 2021 systematic research review and meta-analysis compiled data from 19 studies on collagen and skin health that met their inclusion criteria as high-quality studies. With more than 1,100 participants across those studies, the authors concluded that supplementation with collagen peptides was superior to placebo for improving skin hydration, elasticity, and wrinkles.*3

Likewise, a 2019 review considered results from 11 other collagen studies and found that collagen supplements have a positive effect on skin hydration, elasticity, and dermal collagen density* – all while remaining generally safe to use with no reported side effects.4

A 2020 systematic review of research highlighted the mechanisms by which collagen supplementation might support healthy skin aging. The conclusion was that collagen supplementation positively impacts skin cells, including dermal fibroblasts, the cells that naturally produce collagen, and M2-like macro****es, immune cells involved in tissue remodeling and repair.*5

Regarding collagen-related skin benefits, studies show improvements are noticeable within a reasonable time frame. In two double-blind, placebo-controlled trials, positive changes in skin elasticity were measurable within four weeks of starting daily collagen supplementation.* Even more intriguing, improvements in skin elasticity remained significant four weeks after collagen supplementation ended.*6,7
I mean I guess if you want to take a supplement daily to just make your skin age maybe 1-5% better, go ahead but thats about all that is saying.
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I took it for a couple of months. It was a pretty pricey version. My skin definitely improved. I didn't even know that was a benefit. I just tried it for overall health.

For some reason, the price doubled on that brand so I said ntj and just never bothered with a different one.
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