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Thread: 98,000 Public Schools; 13 Mass School Shootings In 60 Years

post 1662060773 05-29-2022, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted By TealCat⏩
What does this line of thinking say about you both? Honestly?

"Her der well even though a few dozen kids have been massacred between Sandy Hook and Uvalde, it's SOOOO RAARRRRREEE why are people trying to change laws n chit DURRRRR!!!"



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Originally Posted By Antoine99⏩
Between 300k-3 million probably

It's not even close, guns are a plus to safety
Having guns makes everyone safer overall.

Knee-jerk emotional reactions help nobody and make everything worse.
Would kick em in the nuts
post 1662060933 05-29-2022, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted By Antoine99⏩
Having guns makes everyone safer overall.
This is patently false.
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post 1662061013 05-29-2022, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
Crime won’t skyrocket if AR-15 style weapons are banned.
Yeah if only the Virginia Tech shooter hadn't used an "AR-15 style weapon"
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
How about a compromise.

conservatives will get their wish of leaving it up to the states to ban abortion (in which half of the country will do so) and in turn liberals can reinstate the ban (because they've been banned before) on guns classified as an AR.

fact of the matter is, prohibiting either of these hot button issues isn't going to stop people from getting them if they want to so its all a moot point.
In the Texas case this isn't true. He waited until he was of legal age to buy the rifles and didn't have a handgun because he had to be 21.

And I don't have the links in front of me but my understanding is that states with stricter gun laws have lower gun-related stats.
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Originally Posted By Antoine99⏩
Yeah if only the Virginia Tech shooter hadn't used an "AR-15 style weapon"
You're jncapable of seeing how taking the AR-15 style weapons away from those not licensed to own them greatly reduces the chance of these events occurring as they are the de facto tool used for such attacks.
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post 1662061913 05-29-2022, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted By TealCat⏩
You're jncapable of seeing how taking the AR-15 style weapons awayfrom those not licensed to own themgreatly reduces the chance of these events occurring as they are the de facto tool used for such attacks.
If they aren't legally allowed to own them they shouldn't have them. They are breaking the law.
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post 1662062013 05-29-2022, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Antoine99⏩
Between 300k-3 million probably

It's not even close, guns are a plus to safety
Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980
post 1662062153 05-29-2022, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019
Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980
U.S. has a much larger population compared to almost all of those other countries (besides India). If anything, that proves just how safe it is considering the population and the enormous amount of guns.
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“There are no solutions, only trade offs” Thomas Sowell

In other words, everything has a cost. Chances are school shootings won’t decrease from the new laws, but what is guaranteed is an increase in crime elsewhere. In 99% of cases, the trade offs are worse than the original problem. You have to be willing to seek out and acknowledge those bad outcomes though. Otherwise, you have no virtue
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
“There are no solutions, only trade offs” Thomas Sowell

In other words, everything has a cost. Chances are school shootings won’t decrease from the new laws, but what is guaranteed is an increase in crime elsewhere. In 99% of cases, the trade offs are worse than the original problem. You have to be willing to seek out and acknowledge those bad outcomes though. Otherwise, you have no virtue
Don't ever disgrace Sowell like that again with your vile pathetic excuse for what you deem reasoning faculties.

Repeat after me *******.

This is an American phenomenon. The availability of guns is truly the problem.
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post 1662062573 05-29-2022, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted By TealCat⏩
Don't ever disgrace Sowell like that again with your vile pathetic excuse for what you deem reasoning faculties.

Repeat after me *******.

This is an American phenomenon. The availability of guns is truly the problem.
Lol I’ve read all of his books.

“Gun control is like OSHA for burglars”
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Why do gun laws need to be changed over a school shooting when no one gives a **** about the massive homicide rates in Chicago and other major cities ?

Why is a school shooting the only type of gun death ameribrahs give a **** about? Even tho kids and teens die daily from gun deaths daily
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Lol I’ve read all of his books.

“Gun control is like OSHA for burglars”
and yet show me another developed nation where this happens at the rate or magnitude...

go ahead, I'll wait
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Originally Posted By Skeletor666⏩
Why do gun laws need to be changed over a school shooting when no one gives a **** about the massive homicide rates in Chicago and other major cities ?

Why is a school shooting the only type of gun death ameribrahs give a **** about? Even tho kids and teens die daily from gun deaths daily
Please smash your head on a brick wall, it's like a busted electronic that can only get better from physical abuse.

Spoiler!
Those of us that do care, care about all the kids being killed. School shootings TARGET kids...gang violence often kills little kids who were simply bystanders.
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post 1662063203 05-29-2022, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
Also OP carefully picked her citation.


185 students / teachers have been killed in school shootings since 1999.


But gun nuts don’t care because CHICAGO!!!!
According to the NWS Storm Data...

...in the last 10 years (2009-2018), the U.S. has averaged 27 lightning fatalities.
If we're just talking about numbers it would make sense for everyone to stay indoors, too. Nobody NEEDS to go outside.
post 1662063923 05-29-2022, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Since 1966 eh? How about since Columbine ('99)?

Columbine
Santee
New Town
Lakeland
Virginia Tech

These are some if the bigger ones, literally off the top of my head. IMO "since 1966" is kinda useless, it doesn't reveal any patterns or provide anything useful. Nothing between 66 and 89 is interesting as hell tho. Chit seemed to really open up after Columbine-which I think should be the focus of anybody wanting to get to the bottom of this.
Probably the coverage they got was really attractive to future potential shooters.
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At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)
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Originally Posted By TealCat⏩
What does this line of thinking say about you both? Honestly?

"Her der well even though a few dozen kids have been massacred between Sandy Hook and Uvalde, it's SOOOO RAARRRRREEE why are people trying to change laws n chit DURRRRR!!!"
Because it's using statistical anomalies in order to justify forcing your personal beliefs on millions of people because you're prying on emotions...

Drunk driving kills around 10,000 people a year, hundreds being children. Easy solution is to make cars have an ignition interlock, at least requiring it during night time hours. No one is pushing for that though. There's tons of examples like this. It's not about saving lives, it's about political agendas and emotions.
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Originally Posted By TealCat⏩
Don't ever disgrace Sowell like that again with your vile pathetic excuse for what you deem reasoning faculties.

Repeat after me *******.

This is an American phenomenon. The availability of guns is truly the problem.
Originally Posted By TealCat⏩
and yet show me another developed nation where this happens at the rate or magnitude...

go ahead, I'll wait
Read a Sowell book. I’ll wait.
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Love scrolling through this thread knowing good and well which of you value freedom the most.

Freedom is the ultimate way to live. Sure, the cost of freedom is chitty from time to time, but you’d really want to live in the alternative?

Lol @ anyone of you who don’t recognize this.
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Media is fake. Oh em gee

But awesome seeing it quantified like this. The way you know is when like European nations are talking about it like it happens so frequently
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Originally Posted By TealCat⏩
and yet show me another developed nation where this happens at the rate or magnitude...

go ahead, I'll wait
^^ this is the flaw in your argument.

The United States has a population that represents both developed and developing nations.

You can't compare countries that have a homogeneous population to a country that does not.

If you want to combine Switzerland w/ a small African country along with a medium sized Latin American country and THEN compare stats...

...let's do it, ****ggot.

And when I say ****ggot, I mean it literally.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Read a Sowell book. I’ll wait.
I've read The Quest for Cosmic Justice so suck it.
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Originally Posted By TealCat⏩
Please smash your head on a brick wall, it's like a busted electronic that can only get better from physical abuse.

Spoiler!
Those of us that do care, care about all the kids being killed. School shootings TARGET kids...gang violence often kills little kids who were simply bystanders.
You really need to take a week or so off, you are posting like an overly-emotional feminist
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
Crime won’t skyrocket if AR-15 style weapons are banned.
Ah OK you're just trolling.
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I feel like when stats are reported (eg. covid deaths) they need to be put in context with another relatable stat for reference so people can evaluate the numbers being presented in a relative way otherwise it is purely abstract.

Many numbers, especially with a large population like the USA, sound scary but compared with events like being struck by lightning, dying of flu or dying in a traffic accident in a normal year they might not be.
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Because it's using statistical anomalies in order to justify forcing your personal beliefs on millions of people because you're prying on emotions...

Drunk driving kills around 10,000 people a year, hundreds being children. Easy solution is to make cars have an ignition interlock, at least requiring it during night time hours. No one is pushing for that though. There's tons of examples like this. It's not about saving lives, it's about political agendas and emotions.
Yeah, the families of these victims are focused on political agendas. Give me a fkn break.

Again phgt, no one says "I want to take as many innocent lives as possible, let me go drink and drive."

We are seeing a rising trend of incel psychopaths (whose demographics are increasing at an unprecedented rate due to societal degradation) who openly admit to wanting to take as many lives as possible as quickly as possible, often with minimal effort, which is what we have with Sandy Hook and Uvalde.

Our response to these tragedies is truly a litmus test of our moral fiber and character as a nation, statistical anomaly or not. Once was one time too many, here we are 10 years later.
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Originally Posted By TealCat⏩
Yeah, the families of these victims are focused on political agendas. Give me a fkn break.

Again phgt, no one says "I want to take as many innocent lives as possible, let me go drink and drive."

We are seeing a rising trend of incel psychopaths (whose demographics are increasing at an unprecedented rate due to societal degradation) who openly admit to wanting to take as many lives as possible as quickly as possible, often with minimal effort, which is what we have with Sandy Hook and Uvalde.

Our response to these tragedies is truly a litmus test of our moral fiber and character as a nation, statistical anomaly or not. Once was one time too many, here we are 10 years later.
Yeah they'd just drive sober like Nice France guy or Waukesha brah
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Originally Posted By Antoine99⏩
Yeah they'd just drive sober like Nice France guy or Waukesha brah
You're not wrong here.

I don't have an answer for these kinds of attacks other than to barricade against them more effectively.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
The Uvalde school shooting is tragic and multiple factors contributed to the outcome.

It's still worth keeping in mind that it is [thankfully] a rare event.



https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84



Cliffs:

- 27 "school shootings" [aka: a firearm was discharged at or near a school] so far in 2022

- 26 of these school shootings resulted in 0 or 1 death

- a mass shooting means 4 or more people were shot and/or killed; a mass shooting may have zero fatalities

- using this criteria there have been 13 mass school shootings since 1966



https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...sh-in-the-u-s/

- 54% of gun fatalities in the US are suicides



https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...hs-in-the-u-s/

^^^
Some things to think on before deciding we need to "ban all guns" or bump up public schools to prison-like levels of armed guards and locked doors.
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Originally Posted By TealCat⏩
You're jncapable of seeing how taking the AR-15 style weapons away from those not licensed to own them greatly reduces the chance of these events occurring as they are the de facto tool used for such attacks.
So you truly believe this would not have happened if this guy wasnt able to buy an "ar15 style weapon"?
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