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What is a Woman - srsly good question
that wasn't asked.
but this nutter asked it here - applies to the trannies
why aren't we giving kids with mental problems the drugs that are appropriate for their biological sex - and see if that helps them. has it ever even been suggested? to the kids or the parents? (of course not)
so if a boy doesn't feel like a boy, why aren't we using logic and giving him test, instead of going the opposite route and cutting his cawk off and sticking him with estrogen - and some bolt on tits
and the same vice versa
of course this would sound logical and there is less money to be made that way, as it would cure this mental illness - of course the trans thing is being pushed right now because it is a trend, so logic doesn't apply
but this nutter asked it here - applies to the trannies
why aren't we giving kids with mental problems the drugs that are appropriate for their biological sex - and see if that helps them. has it ever even been suggested? to the kids or the parents? (of course not)
so if a boy doesn't feel like a boy, why aren't we using logic and giving him test, instead of going the opposite route and cutting his cawk off and sticking him with estrogen - and some bolt on tits
and the same vice versa
of course this would sound logical and there is less money to be made that way, as it would cure this mental illness - of course the trans thing is being pushed right now because it is a trend, so logic doesn't apply
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I'm not sure I'm tracking with you, but I want to! I am not aware that gender dysphoria is correlated to a lack of testosterone and in fact, it often times seems the opposite, where trans identifying men couldn't possibly be any more male, they simply want easier access to women.
From what I have observed, the issue is rarely hormonal - it's social.
From what I have observed, the issue is rarely hormonal - it's social.
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
i am talking more about children, for sure the adults are just mentally ill and want attention. i am not saying the body dysphoria doesn't exist completely, but it is less than 1% in realityI'm not sure I'm tracking with you, but I want to! I am not aware that gender dysphoria is correlated to a lack of testosterone and in fact, it often times seems the opposite, where trans identifying men couldn't possibly be any more male, they simply want easier access to women.
From what I have observed, the issue is rarely hormonal - it's social.
From what I have observed, the issue is rarely hormonal - it's social.
kids on the correct hormones for a period of time however would most likely have them grow out of this phase if there aren't parents brainwashing them and "medical" professionals just affirming what they say - which they shouldn't be doing
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Originally Posted By AWillis⏩
I see what you mean now, thank you. I'm not sure that it's a hormone problem or that we should be "fixing" kids with drugs. I think they usually grow out of it, as long as the parents emphasize that gender non conforming children are still their unchangeable sex. I'm far more comfortable with a little boy getting to be a kid, wear what he wants, play with whatever he wants, listen to whatever he wants, and avoiding hormones.i am talking more about children, for sure the adults are just mentally ill and want attention. i am not saying the body dysphoria doesn't exist completely, but it is less than 1% in reality
kids on the correct hormones for a period of time however would most likely have them grow out of this phase if there aren't parents brainwashing them and "medical" professionals just affirming what they say - which they shouldn't be doing
kids on the correct hormones for a period of time however would most likely have them grow out of this phase if there aren't parents brainwashing them and "medical" professionals just affirming what they say - which they shouldn't be doing
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Originally Posted By bsmit107⏩
Not an ideal definition, women are still women if they are menopausal, have had a hysterectomy, etc.Vagina
Ovaries
Womb
Period
Birthing a child
Ovaries
Womb
Period
Birthing a child
The only true definition IMO is adult human female.
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06-15-2022, 08:17 AM
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It’s funny to me how the left uses big words to just avert the actual question. Like muddying the waters but the tactic is transparent.
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06-15-2022, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted By AWillis⏩
if it's hormone related, then sure.kids on the correct hormones for a period of time however would most likely have them grow out of this phase if there aren't parents brainwashing them and "medical" professionals just affirming what they say - which they shouldn't be doing
we treat other medical issues based on a set of 'normal' values. you go to the doctor, get a blood test, and if your iron or test or whatever is out of what is the normal range - you're offered treatment. is there no indicator of a female that "feels like they should be a male" (or the opposite of course), biologically speaking? there must be.
or is it 100% mental, in their mind they are convinced they ARE a male and were just born inside the wrong body? and if it is just in their mind, is there a biological reason for that which we just haven't found yet? or have we found it and just choose to not treat this due to the social issues that would come from it?
I personally believe that there IS a measured value of something that would be consistent with this and/or it's simply entirely a socially manufactured "issue". maybe it's just my male mind being too logical but if I don't feel right, I go to the doctor and try to find out why or what is wrong. If i started feeling like I'm really meant to be a female, then to me that's not feeling right and maybe i should seek treatment lol?
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Originally Posted By AWillis⏩
This has been studied. Low T is not associated with transgender for kids or adults. Transgender is a brain chemistry issue, not hormonal.that wasn't asked.
but this nutter asked it here - applies to the trannies
why aren't we giving kids with mental problems the drugs that are appropriate for their biological sex - and see if that helps them. has it ever even been suggested? to the kids or the parents? (of course not)
so if a boy doesn't feel like a boy, why aren't we using logic and giving him test, instead of going the opposite route and cutting his cawk off and sticking him with estrogen - and some bolt on tits
and the same vice versa
of course this would sound logical and there is less money to be made that way, as it would cure this mental illness - of course the trans thing is being pushed right now because it is a trend, so logic doesn't apply
but this nutter asked it here - applies to the trannies
why aren't we giving kids with mental problems the drugs that are appropriate for their biological sex - and see if that helps them. has it ever even been suggested? to the kids or the parents? (of course not)
so if a boy doesn't feel like a boy, why aren't we using logic and giving him test, instead of going the opposite route and cutting his cawk off and sticking him with estrogen - and some bolt on tits
and the same vice versa
of course this would sound logical and there is less money to be made that way, as it would cure this mental illness - of course the trans thing is being pushed right now because it is a trend, so logic doesn't apply
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Who cares? This has somehow become the proxy argument for the ethics and validity of supporting transgender acceptance but in the end it's 100% pure semantics. One side views individuals with XX Chromosomes (Females) as Women and one side wishes to argue that the term 'Women' is a social construct about how you present yourself to society.
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Originally Posted By HenryBoogers⏩
only one is factually correct.........and thats all what countsWho cares? This has somehow become the proxy argument for the ethics and validity of supporting transgender acceptance but in the end it's 100% pure semantics. One side views individuals with XX Chromosomes (Females) as Women and one side wishes to argue that the term 'Women' is a social construct about how you present yourself to society.
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
They still have a vagina, they had a period, they had ovaries, they had the ability to birth a child......even medical outliers who "cant have children" due to medical reasons still have the parts and are clearly not a man/male.Not an ideal definition, women are still women if they are menopausal, have had a hysterectomy, etc.
The only true definition IMO is adult human female.
The only true definition IMO is adult human female.
You cant use "female" to define a "woman" in this instance because that word has it's own concerns in regards to it's definition in this realm.
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie⏩
similar brain chemistry issues that we use antidepressants to cure, I guess?This has been studied. Low T is not associated with transgender for kids or adults. Transgender is a brain chemistry issue, not hormonal.
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Originally Posted By HenryBoogers⏩
The whole point of the documentary was to show this is a cult/religion that cannot articulate it's ideas well and refuses to engage in conversation when challenged.Who cares? This has somehow become the proxy argument for the ethics and validity of supporting transgender acceptance but in the end it's 100% pure semantics. One side views individuals with XX Chromosomes (Females) as Women and one side wishes to argue that the term 'Women' is a social construct about how you present yourself to society.
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
So let it count. Who ****ing cares? It's like a meeting at the Oxford Dictionary headquarters that evaluates whether we should consider alternate definitions of words as the language continues to evolve (which is something that happens annually). And people act as though this is some profound question. It is quite literally the least interesting aspect of the issue you could choose to explore.only one is factually correct.........and thats all what counts
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
Not advocating either side, I would say that's the problem with documentaries. They tend to interview the nut jobs and elevate their voice as the total voice of the issue. All that moron needed to do was to propose that 'Woman', in their view, should be defined as a social presentation most commonly associated with the Female gender's (XX chromosome) societal norms of physical presentation and mannerisms. There are people who more articulately define it this way. It's clear she does as well, but isn't quite smart enough to verbalize this.The whole point of the documentary was to show this is a cult/religion that cannot articulate it's ideas well and refuses to engage in conversation when challenged.
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
mental gymnasticsNot an ideal definition, women are still women if they are menopausal, have had a hysterectomy, etc.
The only true definition IMO is adult human female.
The only true definition IMO is adult human female.
It doesn't matter what surgeries you get...no one can change their DNA. End of story.
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Originally Posted By HenryBoogers⏩
But they didn't interview nutjobs in this. They had an elected official from california, 2 trans doctors, a therapist, a professor. They didn't go after homeless nuts on the street - these are people with influence and power to some degree. He also kept his questions very basic - it's definitely worth a watch just to see the mentality of this movement. Even a female to male transgender was advocating against hormone blockers on the young and talking about how ****ed up a lot of surgeries are.Not advocating either side, I would say that's the problem with documentaries. They tend to interview the nut jobs and elevate their voice as the total voice of the issue. All that moron needed to do was to propose that 'Woman', in their view, should be defined as a social presentation most commonly associated with the Female gender's (XX chromosome) societal norms of physical presentation and mannerisms. There are people who more articulately define it this way. It's clear she does as well, but isn't quite smart enough to verbalize this.
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
i agree with you fully, kids should be left alone. they can play and dress how they like, and let them grow upI see what you mean now, thank you. I'm not sure that it's a hormone problem or that we should be "fixing" kids with drugs. I think they usually grow out of it, as long as the parents emphasize that gender non conforming children are still their unchangeable sex. I'm far more comfortable with a little boy getting to be a kid, wear what he wants, play with whatever he wants, listen to whatever he wants, and avoiding hormones.
but my point was for the "medical" professionals, and advice they give. it's immediately onto the hormones that switch the sex. not let's test your hormone levels and then give you drugs to boost them. the question in the video isn't even brought up to children or parents. are their hormone levels even checked before they are started on drugs. probably not.
but of course logic is not used. gender roles are being wiped out in clown world. we are going through a time of social constructionism. everything we knew is being unlearned. no objectivity
the documentary needs to be seen by more people
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Originally Posted By bsmit107⏩
I'm unclear. Are you saying that female and woman are two separate terms with their own definitions?They still have a vagina, they had a period, they had ovaries, they had the ability to birth a child......even medical outliers who "cant have children" due to medical reasons still have the parts and are clearly not a man/male.
You cant use "female" to define a "woman" in this instance because that word has it's own concerns in regards to it's definition in this realm.
You cant use "female" to define a "woman" in this instance because that word has it's own concerns in regards to it's definition in this realm.
Originally Posted By niospecv⏩
I'm not sure I'm following. Are you saying that an adult human female being the definition of a woman is mental gymnastics? Or are you saying that defining females as women, regardless of the surgeries or stage of their life that they are in, is mental gymnastics? You seem to disagree with my statement, but where, exactly, do you disagree with what I've stated?mental gymnastics
It doesn't matter what surgeries you get...no one can change their DNA. End of story.
It doesn't matter what surgeries you get...no one can change their DNA. End of story.
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
Fair point, but my argument would be that there are a lot of nutjobs in positions of power and influence and these were great examples. To your point, if the argument is that there are a lot of influential morons being vocal on the issue I would strongly agree. I find that to be true on most topics these days.But they didn't interview nutjobs in this. They had an elected official from california, 2 trans doctors, a therapist, a professor. They didn't go after homeless nuts on the street - these are people with influence and power to some degree. He also kept his questions very basic - it's definitely worth a watch just to see the mentality of this movement. Even a female to male transgender was advocating against hormone blockers on the young and talking about how ****ed up a lot of surgeries are.
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He also brings up a great point - we know kids are super, super impressionable to advertising (hence why cigg advertising was banned) but we don't question the vast amount of alphabet propaganda coming out of hollywood. They are 100% brainwashing into it.
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Typically they have vaginas and do not have a Y chromosome
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There was a good argument put forward by a m2f trans psychologist in the UK (I don't remember their name).
They had counselled thousands of people through transitioning and were trans themselves and had come to the conclusion that the large uptick we have been seeing in trans in the last few years is people who are gay being branded as trans.
The gist of the argument is that people become teens, explore their sexuality, and decide who they are as they hit late teens/early twenties.
Before these kids can experience that, schools, docs etc, that are part of the trans movement, tell them they are trans, and due to not having worked out who they are yet, these kids think that's the case.
They believed that if left alone until their early twenties, the majority of the recent influx of trans kids would go on to live happy lives as gay adults, without ever identifying as trans.
They had counselled thousands of people through transitioning and were trans themselves and had come to the conclusion that the large uptick we have been seeing in trans in the last few years is people who are gay being branded as trans.
The gist of the argument is that people become teens, explore their sexuality, and decide who they are as they hit late teens/early twenties.
Before these kids can experience that, schools, docs etc, that are part of the trans movement, tell them they are trans, and due to not having worked out who they are yet, these kids think that's the case.
They believed that if left alone until their early twenties, the majority of the recent influx of trans kids would go on to live happy lives as gay adults, without ever identifying as trans.
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Originally Posted By HenryBoogers⏩
Wrong. If a woman is a noun then they would be able to define it. If I identified as a lizard, you would know what a lizard is so that society can verify if what I claim to be is a match.Who cares? This has somehow become the proxy argument for the ethics and validity of supporting transgender acceptance but in the end it's 100% pure semantics. One side views individuals with XX Chromosomes (Females) as Women and one side wishes to argue that the term 'Women' is a social construct about how you present yourself to society.
You can’t simply identify as something and so it is. What is “it”.
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