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Does free will exist? Discuss
I'm thinking no given we are biological machines who simply execute our biology (though advanced compared to other animals) and exist by laws of physics.
Therefore no free will or free thought. Not physical pre-determinism as there is quantum uncertainty, but there is no 'self' in the way we think we exist, merely biology at work. So if you think x or do y, it's really no different from why a dog does what it does, except there's a greater range of possibility and complexity.
Discuss.
Therefore no free will or free thought. Not physical pre-determinism as there is quantum uncertainty, but there is no 'self' in the way we think we exist, merely biology at work. So if you think x or do y, it's really no different from why a dog does what it does, except there's a greater range of possibility and complexity.
Discuss.
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Copeyeah its totally biological for some zogbot to hop on grenade to save his pals. not a fan of the army of zog, but that alone disproves your r/atheism thesis
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Originally Posted By Condo41⏩
StrongThere is free will.
/thread.
/thread.
Originally Posted By Dogkrack⏩
Human self-sacrifice is a known trait useful for group survival. Pretty sure some animals have done it too.yeah its totally biological for some zogbot to hop on grenade to save his pals. not a fan of the army of zog, but that alone disproves your r/atheism thesis
And that doesn't disprove it anyway
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Op, by writing your post you presuppose that Free will exists, unless you are proposing that this thread was created by random synapse firing and was not your decision?
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Originally Posted By Condo41⏩
ThisThere is free will.
/thread.
/thread.
You have the freedom to end your own life or others if you wish. That is freewill guy
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People who argue you are a slave to the chemical reactions in their brain make a dumb argument. By being self-aware of our condition, we are able to expand our action space beyond our supposed "programmed response".
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Originally Posted By DirtyDon123⏩
It may seem paradoxical that a being can question their free will if they're not free, but that assumes that humans are transcendental of physics in some way. Why shouldn't it?Op, by writing your post you presuppose that Free will exists, unless you are proposing that this thread was created by random synapse firing and was not your decision?
What is my decision? Decisions are brain activity. Is there some higher self controlling that brain activity? If not, then it stands to reason it's still just a product of biology and physics. It may be more complex than random synapse firing, but that's besides the point
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Our self awareness is created by our physical brain though and we aren't an outside force manipulating it. Unless you believe in the soul or other powerPeople who argue you are a slave to the chemical reactions in their brain make a dumb argument. By being self-aware of our condition, we are able to expand our action space beyond our supposed "programmed response".
Slave is the wrong term too, if the 'we' we think exists is really just physical processes.
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We evolved from apes and now are sending space ships to mars.
I think that's pretty neat and congruent with the meaning of free will.
I think that's pretty neat and congruent with the meaning of free will.
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Originally Posted By IronFeta⏩
That's irrelevant. People are able to "troll" the system and make choices their brain doesn't consider or desire. You seem to be confusing "self-awareness" with some spiritual concept of soul/consciousness.Our self awareness is created by our physical brain though and we aren't an outside force manipulating it. Unless you believe in the soul or other power
Slave is the wrong term too, if the 'we' we think exists is really just physical processes.
Slave is the wrong term too, if the 'we' we think exists is really just physical processes.
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Originally Posted By IronFeta⏩
I think the question is then do you believe in the theory of evolution and big bang theory, or creationism.It may seem paradoxical that a being can question their free will if they're not free, but that assumes that humans are transcendental of physics in some way. Why shouldn't it?
What is my decision? Decisions are brain activity. Is there some higher self controlling that brain activity? If not, then it stands to reason it's still just a product of biology and physics. It may be more complex than random synapse firing, but that's besides the point
What is my decision? Decisions are brain activity. Is there some higher self controlling that brain activity? If not, then it stands to reason it's still just a product of biology and physics. It may be more complex than random synapse firing, but that's besides the point
Your view of what we are is based on a scientific analysis of the body and mind but doesn't touch on the purpose. Do you think our world was just randomly created over obscene and unfathomable scientific absurdity and we evolved over an amount of time we can't even comprehend to become like this? Or do you think our life and the world in full was created for a purpose? Is our connection with the natural world coincidence or a carefully constructed harmonious existence? Why does the mind process beauty and darkness the way it does? Love? Duty?
I think the more questions you ask, the deeper the framework you dive into, the more you analyze life as a whole, and the more you simplify or curate the idea of it, you will get your answer. I don't know for sure but I have my thoughts. You may be right. I just came to a different conclusion.
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Free will probably does not exist. You can not act contrary to the chemical reactions programed into the brain.
This has been proven by scientists watching the brain make decisions (the picking of one of two colors). Scientists were able to see which choice the brain was making before the person was consciously aware of the decision.
This has been proven by scientists watching the brain make decisions (the picking of one of two colors). Scientists were able to see which choice the brain was making before the person was consciously aware of the decision.
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I don't believe free-will exists because time-dilation is a proven phenomenon.
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I believe so. I feel that consciousness transcends biological processes. We might be guided and influenced by these processes, but I think that there is so much more goin on. I don’t know if you ascribe to the many worlds theory; I wonder if we all exist in a superposition state or in a state of probability and our choice creates decoherence and collapses the probability into the one we picked. I dunno though lol. When I did a **** ton of nitrous oxide, it felt like I was existing in different dimensions/realities. **** was hella weird and scary lol.
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Originally Posted By ElectronicsBrah⏩
That's where I disagree. Gravity isn't proven. You can't measure it. It's a theory of explanation. So time-dilation is built off that assumption. Doesn't mean it is proven, only proven based off of assumptions. This is the problem with science. It is to theoretical in a lot of ways. The current framework of space is entirely dependent on the existence of dark matter, which they don't even know what it is. They just assume it is what makes the theory work.I don't believe free-will exists because time-dilation is a proven phenomenon.
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Originally Posted By IronFeta⏩
My point is that you assume free will exists by making this thread and if you truly didn't think freewill existed, then you wouldn't consider yourself to be the author of this thread and thus you would not be making your own arguments. But you assume ownership over your posts and comments which contradicts your position on free-will not existing. You "presuppose" these things existing. If you truly thought that your actions were the result of uncontrollable, non-personifiable, random flux then you wouldn't be debating right now as it would not be "you", Iron Feta, but rather random material process. And if your actions are "random" ala evolutionary biology, then there can be no right or wrong as everything is "random" but you assume a purpose in this thread and that an objective truth can be found, which is a contradiction in your worldview". There is no overall Teleology in the materialist, evolutionary worldview you hold.It may seem paradoxical that a being can question their free will if they're not free, but that assumes that humans are transcendental of physics in some way. Why shouldn't it?
What is my decision? Decisions are brain activity. Is there some higher self controlling that brain activity? If not, then it stands to reason it's still just a product of biology and physics. It may be more complex than random synapse firing, but that's besides the point
Our self awareness is created by our physical brain though and we aren't an outside force manipulating it. Unless you believe in the soul or other power
Slave is the wrong term too, if the 'we' we think exists is really just physical processes.
What is my decision? Decisions are brain activity. Is there some higher self controlling that brain activity? If not, then it stands to reason it's still just a product of biology and physics. It may be more complex than random synapse firing, but that's besides the point
Our self awareness is created by our physical brain though and we aren't an outside force manipulating it. Unless you believe in the soul or other power
Slave is the wrong term too, if the 'we' we think exists is really just physical processes.
If your thoughts are the result of deterministic materialism and synapse firing that is beyond your own control, then you cannot even justify having a "self" and this thread is not your own and is just a product of random material flux. In a formal debate this would mean you are not using your own arguments and would lose the debate.
Even in your response you will use the transcendental, immaterial laws of logic which, as they are immaterial, could not have evolved from matter. So how does your materialist worldview explain the existence of objective, immaterial laws like the laws of logic?
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩
Agree to disagree, but good point. Time dilation also occurs with relative velocity too, without gravity involved.That's where I disagree. Gravity isn't proven. You can't measure it. It's a theory of explanation. So time-dilation is built off that assumption. Doesn't mean it is proven, only proven based off of assumptions. This is the problem with science. It is to theoretical in a lot of ways. The current framework of space is entirely dependent on the existence of dark matter, which they don't even know what it is. They just assume it is what makes the theory work.
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Depends what you mean.
You are bound to your biology, so in that sense no there's no free will. That said, your biology is unique to you and in that sense you do have free will. It's yours and will always be yours. Everything that happens is still occurring entirely because you are who you are.
But I know what you're saying and I do agree. You are always going to make the decisions you're going to make based on who you are and the sum of your experiences. That can't be changed... why would it be?
You are bound to your biology, so in that sense no there's no free will. That said, your biology is unique to you and in that sense you do have free will. It's yours and will always be yours. Everything that happens is still occurring entirely because you are who you are.
But I know what you're saying and I do agree. You are always going to make the decisions you're going to make based on who you are and the sum of your experiences. That can't be changed... why would it be?
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There's an irreducible difference between organisms and machines. It's a tempting reduction to make because of how simple the machine metaphor is in expediting forms of explanation, but decades of work in theoretical biology and cognition says volumes otherwise.
Not only that, but these free will arguments are always plagued by poor conceptual missteps which trickle down to the layfolk, and become brony-tier pop-psychology arguments on the internet.
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Not only that, but these free will arguments are always plagued by poor conceptual missteps which trickle down to the layfolk, and become brony-tier pop-psychology arguments on the internet.
Source: Been studying this chit for years.
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Originally Posted By Dogkrack⏩
I don't think you understand OP's point at all.yeah its totally biological for some zogbot to hop on grenade to save his pals. not a fan of the army of zog, but that alone disproves your r/atheism thesis
Life is a sum of experiences and decisions. When you're born, there is a very first decision that you make. Usually it's to cry and virtually all of us will start with that decision. But eventually there will be more. Part of these decisions will also be impacted by your environment as well. Whatever the case, the combination of the environment along with your genetic make-up are factors that influence your responses. After you make your first choice, your second choice in life is a sum of that first choice (experience) plus the environment plus your genetic makeup. None of which you can change. You're pretty much set out on your track at that point, with every subsequent decision being predefined by the sum of previous experience plus environment plus genetic makeup.
At no point do you really "choose" any of those because if you trace it all the way back to the first decision it was in it's most simplistic form a choice of your genetics in response to your initial environment.
The argument that people usually make to support free will is that they made a different choice than they previously made (i.e. I chose to go left instead of going right like I did last time). The problem with this argument though is that the only reason they went left the second time is because they went right the first time. They HAD to go left the second time because it was a combo of experience plus situation plus genetic makeup. The genetic makeup plus situation led to the first experience which then led to the second experience to deviate from the first for whatever reason. None of that was free will though. It only happened because of who you are, what you encountered, and your genetic predisposition to react to the behavior that did occur in any previous experience.
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Determinist.
You didn't choose your genetics
You didn't choose your parents
You didn't choose your location
You didn't choose the time you were born
You didn't choose your peers
And a million other things. And yet they all played a role in what "choices" you had to begin with and how you chose things.
Strangely having kids has further deepened my belief in determinism, I see the cause and effect up close and in real time.
You didn't choose your genetics
You didn't choose your parents
You didn't choose your location
You didn't choose the time you were born
You didn't choose your peers
And a million other things. And yet they all played a role in what "choices" you had to begin with and how you chose things.
Strangely having kids has further deepened my belief in determinism, I see the cause and effect up close and in real time.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
A man can change his path in life- as an example, a homeless junkie can work towards getting off the streets and getting job to become a contributor of society. Inversely, a business man can fall on hard times and become homeless.I don't think you understand OP's point at all.
Life is a sum of experiences and decisions. When you're born, there is a very first decision that you make. Usually it's to cry and virtually all of us will start with that decision. But eventually there will be more. Part of these decisions will also be impacted by your environment as well. Whatever the case, the combination of the environment along with your genetic make-up are factors that influence your responses. After you make your first choice, your second choice in life is a sum of that first choice (experience) plus the environment plus your genetic makeup. None of which you can change. You're pretty much set out on your track at that point, with every subsequent decision being predefined by the sum of previous experience plus environment plus genetic makeup.
At no point do you really "choose" any of those because if you trace it all the way back to the first decision it was in it's most simplistic form a choice of your genetics in response to your initial environment.
The argument that people usually make to support free will is that they made a different choice than they previously made (i.e. I chose to go left instead of going right like I did last time). The problem with this argument though is that the only reason they went left the second time is because they went right the first time. They HAD to go left the second time because it was a combo of experience plus situation plus genetic makeup. The genetic makeup plus situation led to the first experience which then led to the second experience to deviate from the first for whatever reason. None of that was free will though. It only happened because of who you are, what you encountered, and your genetic predisposition to react to the behavior that did occur in any previous experience.
Life is a sum of experiences and decisions. When you're born, there is a very first decision that you make. Usually it's to cry and virtually all of us will start with that decision. But eventually there will be more. Part of these decisions will also be impacted by your environment as well. Whatever the case, the combination of the environment along with your genetic make-up are factors that influence your responses. After you make your first choice, your second choice in life is a sum of that first choice (experience) plus the environment plus your genetic makeup. None of which you can change. You're pretty much set out on your track at that point, with every subsequent decision being predefined by the sum of previous experience plus environment plus genetic makeup.
At no point do you really "choose" any of those because if you trace it all the way back to the first decision it was in it's most simplistic form a choice of your genetics in response to your initial environment.
The argument that people usually make to support free will is that they made a different choice than they previously made (i.e. I chose to go left instead of going right like I did last time). The problem with this argument though is that the only reason they went left the second time is because they went right the first time. They HAD to go left the second time because it was a combo of experience plus situation plus genetic makeup. The genetic makeup plus situation led to the first experience which then led to the second experience to deviate from the first for whatever reason. None of that was free will though. It only happened because of who you are, what you encountered, and your genetic predisposition to react to the behavior that did occur in any previous experience.
I'm not sure if I'm understanding you 100%, but are you saying those two hypothetical situations are pre-determined? If so, then when did it become programmed into reality?
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OP's stance is solid....responses in here are mostly nonsensical as expected.
What people get nervous about by the lack of free will, whatever that even is, is that you cant really blame anyone for any actions- it'd be like blaming a billiard ball moving away at a certain angle when collided with by a cue ball- silly, and no one does this. The truth of X, of course, as with anything, doesnt depend on how much we like the consequences of X....it's just true or not. Doesnt matter what humans on this moving rock in space think about how the universe works or any of this- the universe simply works the way it does. We are matter in the universe- complex for sure- yet still just matter, and we know matter in the universe has a very good track record of obeying physical law...there is no reason to think there is some strange extra, exotic force or matter involved here, thus free will, whatever that is, would be nonsensical. Either way, no evidence supports it, and actually we do have some experimental evidence regarding the timing of decisions/awareness that contradicts free will.
Time dilation isnt 'proven' like a mathematical theorem....it is predicted by relativity and supported by experimental evidence. Very accurately measured too btw.
Being critical of science while simultaneously posting on an internet forum form a computer or phone in 2022, communicating instantly across the world, continues to be one of the most amusing type of post I run into on the misc. It is the irony of ironies. As for the power of the scientific method: the results speak for themselves, as you and I make these posts.
What people get nervous about by the lack of free will, whatever that even is, is that you cant really blame anyone for any actions- it'd be like blaming a billiard ball moving away at a certain angle when collided with by a cue ball- silly, and no one does this. The truth of X, of course, as with anything, doesnt depend on how much we like the consequences of X....it's just true or not. Doesnt matter what humans on this moving rock in space think about how the universe works or any of this- the universe simply works the way it does. We are matter in the universe- complex for sure- yet still just matter, and we know matter in the universe has a very good track record of obeying physical law...there is no reason to think there is some strange extra, exotic force or matter involved here, thus free will, whatever that is, would be nonsensical. Either way, no evidence supports it, and actually we do have some experimental evidence regarding the timing of decisions/awareness that contradicts free will.
Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩
Smh. First step is to learn what science even is, and how its truths are obtained, perhaps enroll in basic science courses. Then, if you are questioning gravity (which you wouldnt be doing in any everyday activity such as throwing a ball up into the air or understanding that driving off a cliff is dangerous/deadly), evolution, or big bang cosmology, look into the vast factual evidence supporting all the above. The earth is not 6,000 years old, creationism is no longer taught in the school science classroom for the pseudoscientific nonsense it is. Sciences makepredictions, which we can check after the fact and see if it fits the operating theory. The method works, accurate predictions have been demonstrated time after time. To take some random examples involving gravity, the position of a new planet in Neptune was predicted from gravitational perturbations of Uranus's orbit, and predicting future positions of bodies in the solar system, including planets, moons, and comets, where the dominating force by far is gravity, is going on all the time. Whatever your post is even trying to say, it seems ridiculously out of touch with even basic science.That's where I disagree. Gravity isn't proven. You can't measure it. It's a theory of explanation. So time-dilation is built off that assumption. Doesn't mean it is proven, only proven based off of assumptions. This is the problem with science. It is to theoretical in a lot of ways. The current framework of space is entirely dependent on the existence of dark matter, which they don't even know what it is. They just assume it is what makes the theory work.
Time dilation isnt 'proven' like a mathematical theorem....it is predicted by relativity and supported by experimental evidence. Very accurately measured too btw.
Being critical of science while simultaneously posting on an internet forum form a computer or phone in 2022, communicating instantly across the world, continues to be one of the most amusing type of post I run into on the misc. It is the irony of ironies. As for the power of the scientific method: the results speak for themselves, as you and I make these posts.
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Originally Posted By PrimarisIn⏩
Yes and no.A man can change his path in life- as an example, a homeless junkie can work towards getting off the streets and getting job to become a contributor of society. Inversely, a business man can fall on hard times and become homeless.
I'm not sure if I'm understanding you 100%, but are you saying those two hypothetical situations are pre-determined? If so, then when did it become programmed into reality?
I'm not sure if I'm understanding you 100%, but are you saying those two hypothetical situations are pre-determined? If so, then when did it become programmed into reality?
Obviously what led that homeless person to change his life is all uniquely him. So if your argument is that is free will, then yes I agree.
However, if you're arguing he had the option to do something different than what he actually did, that's where I disagree. In that sense there is no real free will. He is programmed to respond a certain way based on who he is, the circumstance in front of him, and any previous experience he's inherited along the way from his other decisions. Now of course he can make different choices at different points in time. So say, being a bum for 10 years and then on year 11 finally deciding to no longer be a bum. But it took the other 10 years for him to stop being a bum on the 11th year. He couldn't have rewound time and done it differently on year 1. If you wiped away the first 10 years and essentially tried again, he'd make the same decision to be a bum every single time. There is no choice in that case. It's not like there's a probability he wouldn't be a bum in year 1 and if we magically rewound enough times that eventually he would take a different pah.
For instance, his decision to get his life together is only a product of his previous experiences being a bum to the point that something finally clicked that he needed to change it. It took X amount of years of making a certain decision for that lightbulb to go off, each of those influence by previous choices all melded together form genetic predisposition toward circumstances. He was always going to be a bum for X number of years. And he was always going to change from being a bum.
Think of it like learning to ride a bike. The first time you get on a bike you have no idea what you're doing. Whatever happens is purely a result of your genetic reaction to that situation of being on the bike. You can't change that reaction. So you get on and you have an experience. Now the next time you get on you still have your genetic reaction, along with some new knowledge accumulated that was only accumulated because of your genetic reaction the first time. That leads to another experience the second time which then shapes your decisions the third time you get on a bike (or maybe they shape the decision not never get on a bike ever again). But none of that was freely chosen. It was predicated upon who you are as a person in reaction to an environmental stimuli you encountered, factored in with any previous experiences to adjust those reactions as well.
That's how a person makes every decision in a nutshell. But no matter how many times you rewind and try to create another attempt the choice will always be the same assuming you wipe away any subsequent experiences during that rewind.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Yeah, I like to think due to our evolutionary biology, our competence for reactive necesseties, the electric impulses to actually carrying out actions, does have a degree of free will. We can remember the past and make conclusions that it is not free will due to whatever varying degrees of both external and internal factors, but if that's 100% logical, then how come we do not possess the ability to predict the future?Yes and no.
Obviously what led that homeless person to change his life is all uniquely him. So if your argument is that is free will, then yes I agree.
However, if you're arguing he had the option to do something different than what he actually did, that's where I disagree. In that sense there is no real free will. He is programmed to respond a certain way based on who he is, the circumstance in front of him, and any previous experience he's inherited along the way from his other decisions. Now of course he can make different choices at different points in time. So say, being a bum for 10 years and then on year 11 finally deciding to no longer be a bum. But it took the other 10 years for him to stop being a bum on the 11th year. He couldn't have rewound time and done it differently on year 1. If you wiped away the first 10 years and essentially tried again, he'd make the same decision to be a bum every single time. There is no choice in that case. It's not like there's a probability he wouldn't be a bum in year 1 and if we magically rewound enough times that eventually he would take a different pah.
For instance, his decision to get his life together is only a product of his previous experiences being a bum to the point that something finally clicked that he needed to change it. It took X amount of years of making a certain decision for that lightbulb to go off, each of those influence by previous choices all melded together form genetic predisposition toward circumstances. He was always going to be a bum for X number of years. And he was always going to change from being a bum.
Think of it like learning to ride a bike. The first time you get on a bike you have no idea what you're doing. Whatever happens is purely a result of your genetic reaction to that situation of being on the bike. You can't change that reaction. So you get on and you have an experience. Now the next time you get on you still have your genetic reaction, along with some new knowledge accumulated that was only accumulated because of your genetic reaction the first time. That leads to another experience the second time which then shapes your decisions the third time you get on a bike (or maybe they shape the decision not never get on a bike ever again). But none of that was freely chosen. It was predicated upon who you are as a person in reaction to an environmental stimuli you encountered, factored in with any previous experiences to adjust those reactions as well.
That's how a person makes every decision in a nutshell. But no matter how many times you rewind and try to create another attempt the choice will always be the same assuming you wipe away any subsequent experiences during that rewind.
Obviously what led that homeless person to change his life is all uniquely him. So if your argument is that is free will, then yes I agree.
However, if you're arguing he had the option to do something different than what he actually did, that's where I disagree. In that sense there is no real free will. He is programmed to respond a certain way based on who he is, the circumstance in front of him, and any previous experience he's inherited along the way from his other decisions. Now of course he can make different choices at different points in time. So say, being a bum for 10 years and then on year 11 finally deciding to no longer be a bum. But it took the other 10 years for him to stop being a bum on the 11th year. He couldn't have rewound time and done it differently on year 1. If you wiped away the first 10 years and essentially tried again, he'd make the same decision to be a bum every single time. There is no choice in that case. It's not like there's a probability he wouldn't be a bum in year 1 and if we magically rewound enough times that eventually he would take a different pah.
For instance, his decision to get his life together is only a product of his previous experiences being a bum to the point that something finally clicked that he needed to change it. It took X amount of years of making a certain decision for that lightbulb to go off, each of those influence by previous choices all melded together form genetic predisposition toward circumstances. He was always going to be a bum for X number of years. And he was always going to change from being a bum.
Think of it like learning to ride a bike. The first time you get on a bike you have no idea what you're doing. Whatever happens is purely a result of your genetic reaction to that situation of being on the bike. You can't change that reaction. So you get on and you have an experience. Now the next time you get on you still have your genetic reaction, along with some new knowledge accumulated that was only accumulated because of your genetic reaction the first time. That leads to another experience the second time which then shapes your decisions the third time you get on a bike (or maybe they shape the decision not never get on a bike ever again). But none of that was freely chosen. It was predicated upon who you are as a person in reaction to an environmental stimuli you encountered, factored in with any previous experiences to adjust those reactions as well.
That's how a person makes every decision in a nutshell. But no matter how many times you rewind and try to create another attempt the choice will always be the same assuming you wipe away any subsequent experiences during that rewind.
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