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i need to start a business but i'm earning decent money so its just hard to give up. i know theres potential to earn more, but i already live really comfortable. but comfort drains the life out of ya, cant go through life comfortable
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Originally Posted By beegeener⏩
i need to start a business but i'm earning decent money so its just hard to give up. i know theres potential to earn more, but i already live really comfortable. but comfort drains the life out of ya, cant go through life comfortable
Relying on your own labour as a main source of income is a risky move.

Disregard labour acquire capital
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Sorry man. I disagree. (if you are an ambitious person). Unions average everyone. If you are motivated and hard working, a union will only hold you back. You will get paid as much as the worst guy and get the same benefits. Unions are terrible.

At one time, they were needed. But in this day and age where job mobility is not a problem, they will only hold you back.

UNLESS you are a lazy person which in that case, they will give you the same income as someone that works hard.



THANK goodness I moved south where there are no unions. At 23 I became self employed (something that would have never been allowed to happen in a union environment.

Unions are for people who have zero desire to achieve on their own merits. I would NEVER under any circumstances join a union. EVER. But I have consistently worked harder and smarter my entire life than those around me.
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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
Sorry man. I disagree. (if you are an ambitious person). Unions average everyone. If you are motivated and hard working, a union will only hold you back. You will get paid as much as the worst guy and get the same benefits. Unions are terrible.

At one time, they were needed. But in this day and age where job mobility is not a problem, they will only hold you back.

UNLESS you are a lazy person which in that case, they will give you the same income as someone that works hard.



THANK goodness I moved south where there are no unions. At 23 I became self employed (something that would have never been allowed to happen in a union environment.

Unions are for people who have zero desire to achieve on their own merits. I would NEVER under any circumstances join a union. EVER. But I have consistently worked harder and smarter my entire life than those around me.
Half the population is below average though.

My advice is not just for elites.

By definition people in unions are not the top of the professional totem pole but unions do improve working conditions.

See further Marx, K.
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
To get the same leverage investing in shares compared with property is risky because of the interest rate exposure and the possibility of a margin call.

Personally I wouldn’t do it. But at this stage in my life I have no reason to take dumb risks.
Leverage feels amazing when property prices go up. When property prices go down, that mortgage hurts twice as much. Leverage isn't necessarily a good thing. And a margin call in real estate is called foreclosure
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
…you can’t beat inflation by trying to cut your expenses.

Now currency devaluations aren’t the same thing as hyperinflation but the effects on the ground are similar.

In both cases, cutting your household expenses can only deliver a one-off reprieve from escalating costs of living, whereas inflation continues to erode your purchasing power over time.

You can only win by increasing your income. My concrete suggestions are:
-if you are a low-wage worker start or join a union
-if you can afford to invest do so in assets that are part of the inflation problem, if that makes sense. Think about how you can use leverage sensibly.
-if you are a well paid professional take advantage of the tight labour market to job hop and get a big pay increase
-if you think you can start a business (including selling your labour for yourself rather than as an employee) do so

That’s about all I can think of. There are other solutions such as getting more/better qualifications to increase earning power but the above are short-term fixes which deliver long-term solutions
The most deleterious effect of inflation is it's unequal distribution. First receivers benefit at the expense of later receivers. It results in distortions that would not otherwise occur
1. Even if your part of a Union, it would be hard to negotiate for higher wages if the demand for the underlying service/product has not increased yet. Any successful negotiation might occur when inflation has spread throughout the economy thus having no effect on real wages. May as well just not have joined a union to give yourself more mobility.

2.do you mean government bonds and assets in the stock market? Why invest in inordinately high asset prices with unfavorable price to earning ratios? These prices are unsustainable given the lack of revenue. It would only be smart if you could anticipate the inflation and put money into it before inflation strikes. And why would you want to invest in a government bond when real returns will be inflated away.

3. This is only a temporary solution since the higher wages won't be sustainable due to inflation increasing costs. The tight labor market only occurs either before the bust or hyper inflation/ stagflation kicks in.

4.hard when costs are going up. At least in the long term. And any advantage incurred by low interest rates will be nullified by more inflation or a rate hike.
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OP isn’t all this advice assuming inflation is going to continue to get much worse? You say buy more assets all assets are incredibly overvalued right now the only way they will be worth more is if inflation continues to get worse and if it keeps going that way too far we may have worse things to worry about ie rioting civil unrest some new ubi bull**** being ushered in
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
Half the population is below average though.

My advice is not just for elites.

By definition people in unions are not the top of the professional totem pole but unions do improve working conditions.

See further Marx, K.
I cant even grasp to get myself to think like that...but I guess in some way there is truth to it. In that case, get a city/county/state or federal job and put in your 30 years...

Seems like a death sentence to me.

In todays world there are just so many opportunities. I have gotten lazy and lost most of my hustle. But losing (possbily) all my crypto in Celsius has me thinking about getting off my a$$ a little. Nothing I ever planned on selling for 5-10 years, but it is a substantial amt.

Anyway, I am a big believer in real estate. I started buying rentals in 2010. Hopefully this rise in rates will open up more buying opportunities to add to my properties.

I am also a believer in not carrying any debt. I know it is not practical for most. But never take out debt for depreciating assets. (cars etc). Having never carried debt over my lifetime has allowed me to 'weather' storms, etc. It means I never spent more than I could afford also. Sure at times, it was not fun, but it has benefited me far more than the annoyances it has cost.
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Originally Posted By beegeener⏩
i need to start a business but i'm earning decent money so its just hard to give up. i know theres potential to earn more, but i already live really comfortable. but comfort drains the life out of ya, cant go through life comfortable
I hear you on that. When I had a job and trying to build my own side company. I would lose motivation to my own company because of no motivation. Had a steady check coming in.
Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
I cant even grasp to get myself to think like that...but I guess in some way there is truth to it. In that case, get a city/county/state or federal job and put in your 30 years...

Seems like a death sentence to me.

In todays world there are just so many opportunities. I have gotten lazy and lost most of my hustle. But losing (possbily) all my crypto in Celsius has me thinking about getting off my a$$ a little. Nothing I ever planned on selling for 5-10 years, but it is a substantial amt.

Anyway, I am a big believer in real estate. I started buying rentals in 2010. Hopefully this rise in rates will open up more buying opportunities to add to my properties.

I am also a believer in not carrying any debt. I know it is not practical for most. But never take out debt for depreciating assets. (cars etc). Having never carried debt over my lifetime has allowed me to 'weather' storms, etc. It means I never spent more than I could afford also. Sure at times, it was not fun, but it has benefited me far more than the annoyances it has cost.
Love it! Good advice for sure.
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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
Sorry man. I disagree. (if you are an ambitious person). Unions average everyone. If you are motivated and hard working, a union will only hold you back. You will get paid as much as the worst guy and get the same benefits. Unions are terrible.

At one time, they were needed. But in this day and age where job mobility is not a problem, they will only hold you back.

UNLESS you are a lazy person which in that case, they will give you the same income as someone that works hard.



THANK goodness I moved south where there are no unions. At 23 I became self employed (something that would have never been allowed to happen in a union environment.

Unions are for people who have zero desire to achieve on their own merits. I would NEVER under any circumstances join a union. EVER. But I have consistently worked harder and smarter my entire life than those around me.
And one of the main purposes of unions is to restrict the supply of workers in order to increase the price of their work, so a big hurdle to overcome would be getting into one in the first place.

And unions don't benefit society at large because it decreases abundance by making a service or product inordinately expensive..the union workers are also consumers, mind you, so more unionization would make life more difficult for the average union worker. Being in a union is only beneficial to a worker in relative terms in a society where there aren't many unions, and therefore the advice to join one is A bad one as it only applies to a small section of society.
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Originally Posted By frmrpro⏩
And one of the main purposes of unions is to restrict the supply of workers in order to increase the price of their work, so a big hurdle to overcome would be getting into one in the first place.

And unions don't benefit society at large because it decreases abundance by making a service or product inordinately expensive..the union workers are also consumers, mind you, so more unionization would make life more difficult for the average union worker. Being in a union is only beneficial to a worker in relative terms in a society where there aren't many unions, and therefore the advice to join one is A bad one as it only applies to a small section of society.
True. My dad works for a construction company that uses a union to complete jobs. He says that it is expensive to use, but they have reliable people that do good work compared to a non union worker.

One thing that the owner of the company hates is all the hurdles they have to jump through with regulations, paper work, etc...
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Originally Posted By outfoxxed⏩
Leverage feels amazing when property prices go up. When property prices go down, that mortgage hurts twice as much. Leverage isn't necessarily a good thing. And a margin call in real estate is called foreclosure
The banks won’t foreclose on a residential loan unless the borrower stops repaying the loan. This is rarely the result of normal interest rate policy - usually widespread and sustained unemployment.

By contrast if you have a margin loan the lender can force you to take a loss to cover the margin. Ultimately you can lose both your shares and the security (ie your house)

But you already know all this.
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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
I cant even grasp to get myself to think like that...but I guess in some way there is truth to it. In that case, get a city/county/state or federal job and put in your 30 years...

Seems like a death sentence to me.

In todays world there are just so many opportunities. I have gotten lazy and lost most of my hustle. But losing (possbily) all my crypto in Celsius has me thinking about getting off my a$$ a little. Nothing I ever planned on selling for 5-10 years, but it is a substantial amt.

Anyway, I am a big believer in real estate. I started buying rentals in 2010. Hopefully this rise in rates will open up more buying opportunities to add to my properties.

I am also a believer in not carrying any debt. I know it is not practical for most. But never take out debt for depreciating assets. (cars etc). Having never carried debt over my lifetime has allowed me to 'weather' storms, etc. It means I never spent more than I could afford also. Sure at times, it was not fun, but it has benefited me far more than the annoyances it has cost.
I took out a lot of debt - literally millions - when I started off because I had nothing.

But now I’m deleveraging and hopefully will be able to finance my next big property development with zero involvement from the bank

Nothing wrong with borrowing if it’s done safely and for the right reasons
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
I took out a lot of debt - literally millions - when I started off because I had nothing.

But now I’m deleveraging and hopefully will be able to finance my next big property development with zero involvement from the bank

Nothing wrong with borrowing if it’s done safely and for the right reasons
We started at same place and took the opposite path. I started with nothing and did not borrow anything. Just worked my a$$ off and saved. Invested in myself, and took on more business and made more money. Self employed at 23 and owned a 9000 sqft home mortgage free by 28. Had 3 helicopters by early 30's...etc.

I could have had a lot more if I borrowed money, but when 2009 came along, my neck was not stuck out. I just lived off savings for about 3 years. When work was not coming back, that is when I started investing in realestate. Again, all paid for in full. Have enough in rental properties to cover all our living expenses.

Anything made is discretionary income. But I sacrificed a lot in my early 20's which is the sole reason I am where I am today.

But 'borrowing safely' is an oxy moron. One of the most successful guys I know was taken out by the banks. 50+mil net worth self made developer. When 08-09 came along, despite having enough cash to pay on his loans for 5+ year (he had 5 mil cash in the bank) they took EVERYTHING he had. Dont fool yourself. There is no safe borrowing if a dooms day event happens. Loans can and do get called in. But for the most part you are correct, but I have seen it happen.
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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
We started at same place and took the opposite path. I started with nothing and did not borrow anything. Just worked my a$$ off and saved. Invested in myself, and took on more business and made more money. Self employed at 23 and owned a 9000 sqft home mortgage free by 28. Had 3 helicopters by early 30's...etc.

I could have had a lot more if I borrowed money, but when 2009 came along, my neck was not stuck out. I just lived off savings for about 3 years. When work was not coming back, that is when I started investing in realestate. Again, all paid for in full. Have enough in rental properties to cover all our living expenses.

Anything made is discretionary income. But I sacrificed a lot in my early 20's which is the sole reason I am where I am today.

But 'borrowing safely' is an oxy moron. One of the most successful guys I know was taken out by the banks. 50+mil net worth self made developer. When 08-09 came along, despite having enough cash to pay on his loans for 5+ year (he had 5 mil cash in the bank) they took EVERYTHING he had. Dont fool yourself. There is no safe borrowing if a dooms day event happens. Loans can and do get called in. But for the most part you are correct, but I have seen it happen.
Well nothing is with zero risk.

When the Soviet Union collapsed everyone we know had a their wealth evaporate literally overnight. Most people wouldn’t consider holding domestic currency as a “risk”. Similar thing happened recently with the operation in the Ukrainian territories, although not to the same extent. Worse it was difficult to get currency into the country with the swift shutdown, my mum just shrugs it off now.
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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
I cant even grasp to get myself to think like that...but I guess in some way there is truth to it. In that case, get a city/county/state or federal job and put in your 30 years...

Seems like a death sentence to me.

In todays world there are just so many opportunities. I have gotten lazy and lost most of my hustle. But losing (possbily) all my crypto in Celsius has me thinking about getting off my a$$ a little. Nothing I ever planned on selling for 5-10 years, but it is a substantial amt.

Anyway, I am a big believer in real estate. I started buying rentals in 2010. Hopefully this rise in rates will open up more buying opportunities to add to my properties.

I am also a believer in not carrying any debt. I know it is not practical for most. But never take out debt for depreciating assets. (cars etc). Having never carried debt over my lifetime has allowed me to 'weather' storms, etc. It means I never spent more than I could afford also. Sure at times, it was not fun, but it has benefited me far more than the annoyances it has cost.
Damn brah. Funny enough, I spoke with the Celsius team last year and tbh thought some of them were kind of dumb and showed a lack of attention to detail and because of that, never put crypto with them. Also took stuff out of blockfi as well because they were so wishy washy with their rates

It's crazy how the little things turned out to be major decisions
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Originally Posted By strawbrerry1⏩
Damn brah. Funny enough, I spoke with the Celsius team last year and tbh thought some of them were kind of dumb and showed a lack of attention to detail and because of that, never put crypto with them. Also took stuff out of blockfi as well because they were so wishy washy with their rates

It's crazy how the little things turned out to be major decisions
Yea. I have been in crypto since 2013. Have never sold any. This past 1.5 years I added heavily to my btc holdings. I liked how Celsius gave me flexibility with earning yeild and several times I floated cash with a collateralized loan which has zero tax impact since it does not involve selling.


Long term was taking a shot at something. It would need to be life changing for me and that is somewhere in the 8 figure range. I think that is / was reasonable over next 5+ years. Before the drawback, I had 7+ figures.

Got caught being greedy making a stupid 3%. Making 35k in interest seemed like a 'good' idea especially with the fact it was paid in BTC and would increase the resultant yield as prices rose.

At current prices, it is still over 500k possibly lost. But I cant worry about it. I was treating it as Vegas money, so I can afford to lose it. But I bought over 250k last year with extra money I had on hand that I did not have a need for. I should have bought another car.

Live and learn. I still believe in crypto long term. But I have been around long enough that I should have not gotten greedy.
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By the time people do any of that stuff we will have a new president and inflation will be over with, Its not like it is a symptom of some sort of larger thing it is planned to control us.

Notice how everything involved with free movement around is a hassle. airplanes, gas prices, everything to keep us at home. If we travel we talk to each other and they lose the narrative.

They want us planted in front of the t.v watching the news all day. Not out partying and having fun.
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Originally Posted By crupiea⏩
By the time people do any of that stuff we will have a new president andinflation will be over with, Its not like it is a symptom of some sort of larger thing it is planned to control us.

Notice how everything involved with free movement around is a hassle. airplanes, gas prices, everything to keep us at home. If we travel we talk to each other and they lose the narrative.

They want us planted in front of the t.v watching the news all day. Not out partying and having fun.
I think you have a lot more faith in Sleepy Joe’s anti-inflation bill than I do
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
Well it beats the retarded rice and beans and Corolla schtick that Dave Ramsey is selling
im lazy and rather play golf than work hard

rice and beans for me
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Originally Posted By samsbolton⏩
im lazy and rather play golf than work hard

rice and beans for me
Ok fine but you’ll be stuck driving a beat up 20 year old mini

Not even the cooper one, the base model

Hope you can live with yourself
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
Ok fine but you’ll be stuck driving a beat up 20 year old mini

Not even the cooper one, the base model

Hope you can live with yourself
the cooper is like 135bhp or something.. Insanity.
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