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What ultimately killed the misc?
07-17-2022, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted By ispy⏩
This sums it up.probably a large part of it is due to the edge lords and q-conspiritards from r&p. the mods (from both sides) let these trolls run wild over there in the name of "freedom", and "sticking it to the other side". the main misc also contains lots of cringe incel larpers, which haven't been cleaned out in years, and that isn't advertiser friendly either. so misc at this point is dead, and whoever decides to simply shut the forums down can do it without much thought, because it's isolated from search engines, so it doesn't bring much new traffic.
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Maybe I'm looking at that past through rose colored glasses, but these are my observations.
Way back in the day you'd shoot the chit with everyone like we were friends. Sure, we didn't all get along. There was trolling, I think a lot of us did a little bit of trolling back in the day. But mostly people were genuine. You didn't have as many people playing fake characters that you do today.
And you would talk about all kinds of stuff. Anything and everything. Lifting/bodybuilding, girls, politics, torrents, music, sports, anything. There was always something different to talk about. I pop in today, and every thread looks the same. Same topics. Same baiting. Same shticks. Just people posting to get reactions and not to generate sincere talk. Threads trying too hard to be the next epic thread instead of a genuine conversation starter.
People were supportive. People would post progress pics and get genuine feedback. Today, someone posts pics, and you get a swarm of posters going in to tear them down. They must be juicing or they must be a bloatlord that has to lose weight. You see it everywhere. Way too many posters that are here just to tear others down and don't contribute anything positive. I know a lot of stuff is just general ball-busting between guys, but a lot of it just feels mean-spirited. The overall attitude is a huge turn-off for a noob looking to jump into lifting, looking to shake off their insecurities, and looking for support and guidance.
But I think one of the biggest things is the user base has gotten older. Younger millennials and zoomers are going to sites that are fresher and hipper, while forums like this are stuck in an age of older millennials and Gen Xers. Heck, the search function hasn't worked in years, so what does that tell someone looking for a hot site to visit for advice? So we've all gotten older and many of us moved on in our own lives.
I keep hearing how this place isn't like the glory days 10-12 years ago. I wasn't here for that. I lost track of the Misc when it was supposedly at its peak. But hearing the way people talk about it, I feel like it was responsible for the downfall. Threads falling off the first page in seconds because of the traffic? That's how conversation dies. Topics get lost as soon as they're started. People have to make increasingly outrageous threads just to get attention. Posters focused on creating characters and situations, and at the end of the day you don't really know the people you're posting with because they're all characters and caricatures. I'd say mostly Misc was a victim of its own popularity.
Way back in the day you'd shoot the chit with everyone like we were friends. Sure, we didn't all get along. There was trolling, I think a lot of us did a little bit of trolling back in the day. But mostly people were genuine. You didn't have as many people playing fake characters that you do today.
And you would talk about all kinds of stuff. Anything and everything. Lifting/bodybuilding, girls, politics, torrents, music, sports, anything. There was always something different to talk about. I pop in today, and every thread looks the same. Same topics. Same baiting. Same shticks. Just people posting to get reactions and not to generate sincere talk. Threads trying too hard to be the next epic thread instead of a genuine conversation starter.
People were supportive. People would post progress pics and get genuine feedback. Today, someone posts pics, and you get a swarm of posters going in to tear them down. They must be juicing or they must be a bloatlord that has to lose weight. You see it everywhere. Way too many posters that are here just to tear others down and don't contribute anything positive. I know a lot of stuff is just general ball-busting between guys, but a lot of it just feels mean-spirited. The overall attitude is a huge turn-off for a noob looking to jump into lifting, looking to shake off their insecurities, and looking for support and guidance.
But I think one of the biggest things is the user base has gotten older. Younger millennials and zoomers are going to sites that are fresher and hipper, while forums like this are stuck in an age of older millennials and Gen Xers. Heck, the search function hasn't worked in years, so what does that tell someone looking for a hot site to visit for advice? So we've all gotten older and many of us moved on in our own lives.
I keep hearing how this place isn't like the glory days 10-12 years ago. I wasn't here for that. I lost track of the Misc when it was supposedly at its peak. But hearing the way people talk about it, I feel like it was responsible for the downfall. Threads falling off the first page in seconds because of the traffic? That's how conversation dies. Topics get lost as soon as they're started. People have to make increasingly outrageous threads just to get attention. Posters focused on creating characters and situations, and at the end of the day you don't really know the people you're posting with because they're all characters and caricatures. I'd say mostly Misc was a victim of its own popularity.
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07-17-2022, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted By Cass40⏩
What did you get banned for? You never seemed like a poster who broke many rules iircI didn't even talk to him nor his boyfriend bobbydigikoala, and still got permabanned.
07-17-2022, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted By DirtyDon123⏩
I said I wanna get perma cos this place is full of toxic masculinityWhat did you get banned for? You never seemed like a poster who broke many rules iirc
then few weeks later is came to lurk and saw I was unbanned and he was demodded.
07-17-2022, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted By Cass40⏩
Are you the only female miscer leftI said I wanna get perma cos this place is full of toxic masculinity
then few weeks later is came to lurk and saw I was unbanned and he was demodded.
then few weeks later is came to lurk and saw I was unbanned and he was demodded.
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07-17-2022, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted By Cass40⏩
I’m not on here much anymore aware meNaa..there's also that conspiracy theorist.
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07-17-2022, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted By Cass40⏩
Someone is upset that Katya is the new misc queenNaa..there's also thatconspiracy theorist.
07-17-2022, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
Yup.You should have seen in around 2009-2012 if a thread was created it would be on the second page in 20 seconds and it was like that all day
The Zyzz era the forums moved fast as ****. You'd constantly have to bump your thread. If a thread got some traction though it would have hundred+ post in a very short short period of time.
07-17-2022, 11:15 AM
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07-17-2022, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted By John
What literally happened was what I said in my op.Maybe I'm looking at that past through rose colored glasses, but these are my observations.
Way back in the day you'd shoot the chit with everyone like we were friends. Sure, we didn't all get along. There was trolling, I think a lot of us did a little bit of trolling back in the day. But mostly people were genuine. You didn't have as many people playing fake characters that you do today.
And you would talk about all kinds of stuff. Anything and everything. Lifting/bodybuilding, girls, politics, torrents, music, sports, anything. There was always something different to talk about. I pop in today, and every thread looks the same. Same topics. Same baiting. Same shticks. Just people posting to get reactions and not to generate sincere talk. Threads trying too hard to be the next epic thread instead of a genuine conversation starter.
People were supportive. People would post progress pics and get genuine feedback. Today, someone posts pics, and you get a swarm of posters going in to tear them down. They must be juicing or they must be a bloatlord that has to lose weight. You see it everywhere. Way too many posters that are here just to tear others down and don't contribute anything positive. I know a lot of stuff is just general ball-busting between guys, but a lot of it just feels mean-spirited. The overall attitude is a huge turn-off for a noob looking to jump into lifting, looking to shake off their insecurities, and looking for support and guidance.
But I think one of the biggest things is the user base has gotten older. Younger millennials and zoomers are going to sites that are fresher and hipper, while forums like this are stuck in an age of older millennials and Gen Xers. Heck, the search function hasn't worked in years, so what does that tell someone looking for a hot site to visit for advice? So we've all gotten older and many of us moved on in our own lives.
I keep hearing how this place isn't like the glory days 10-12 years ago. I wasn't here for that. I lost track of the Misc when it was supposedly at its peak. But hearing the way people talk about it, I feel like it was responsible for the downfall. Threads falling off the first page in seconds because of the traffic? That's how conversation dies. Topics get lost as soon as they're started. People have to make increasingly outrageous threads just to get attention. Posters focused on creating characters and situations, and at the end of the day you don't really know the people you're posting with because they're all characters and caricatures. I'd say mostly Misc was a victim of its own popularity.
Way back in the day you'd shoot the chit with everyone like we were friends. Sure, we didn't all get along. There was trolling, I think a lot of us did a little bit of trolling back in the day. But mostly people were genuine. You didn't have as many people playing fake characters that you do today.
And you would talk about all kinds of stuff. Anything and everything. Lifting/bodybuilding, girls, politics, torrents, music, sports, anything. There was always something different to talk about. I pop in today, and every thread looks the same. Same topics. Same baiting. Same shticks. Just people posting to get reactions and not to generate sincere talk. Threads trying too hard to be the next epic thread instead of a genuine conversation starter.
People were supportive. People would post progress pics and get genuine feedback. Today, someone posts pics, and you get a swarm of posters going in to tear them down. They must be juicing or they must be a bloatlord that has to lose weight. You see it everywhere. Way too many posters that are here just to tear others down and don't contribute anything positive. I know a lot of stuff is just general ball-busting between guys, but a lot of it just feels mean-spirited. The overall attitude is a huge turn-off for a noob looking to jump into lifting, looking to shake off their insecurities, and looking for support and guidance.
But I think one of the biggest things is the user base has gotten older. Younger millennials and zoomers are going to sites that are fresher and hipper, while forums like this are stuck in an age of older millennials and Gen Xers. Heck, the search function hasn't worked in years, so what does that tell someone looking for a hot site to visit for advice? So we've all gotten older and many of us moved on in our own lives.
I keep hearing how this place isn't like the glory days 10-12 years ago. I wasn't here for that. I lost track of the Misc when it was supposedly at its peak. But hearing the way people talk about it, I feel like it was responsible for the downfall. Threads falling off the first page in seconds because of the traffic? That's how conversation dies. Topics get lost as soon as they're started. People have to make increasingly outrageous threads just to get attention. Posters focused on creating characters and situations, and at the end of the day you don't really know the people you're posting with because they're all characters and caricatures. I'd say mostly Misc was a victim of its own popularity.
The site became the most popular on the internet and the owners wanted to get rid of "unpopular" topics and opinions that could hurt business.
Around 2007 the company had potential trouble because they were selling products with some "gear" in them and they got outlawed. So, any discussion about that got locked down. There was a whole bunch of that in relation to the site's popularity and more mods came, and destroyed the forum.
What others said about mod egos is also a great point but they were made mods to shut down conversations that were popular. However, mods are an aftereffect of wanting to make the forum business oriented.
That's why the forum is hidden now.
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07-17-2022, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
You really can't blame them for that. End of day, this is a business and that put them in the fed's spotlight. They didn't need something that might get them shut down. It's unfortunate you can't talk about the elephant in the bodybuilding room, but I understand that one out of everything else.Around 2007 the company had potential trouble because they were selling products with some "gear" in them and they got outlawed. So, any discussion about that got locked down. There was a whole bunch of that in relation to the site's popularity and more mods came, and destroyed the forum.
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Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
This guy is right. The MISC back was amazing. You had great stories, people trolling dating sites like POF, people giving out legit advice. It’s crazy because trolling dating websites like POF got me laid so many times because I would be using random copy/paste 1-3 liners that I got from misc as my openers. Just different times.it wasn't even 20 seconds. it was immediately if you posted a thread. refresh and it'd be on the 2nd page
I think also with introduction of Tinder and redpill/black pill it really lowered mens self esteem. Guys weren’t willing to work out as much anymore and try to impress woman by being fit when “it’s all about face/height”.
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Originally Posted By John
Alot of different websites and I think even some supplement stores were selling pro-hormones back then but I agree. Eventually everything got banned including best pre workout which was jack3d.You really can't blame them for that. End of day, this is a business and that put them in the fed's spotlight. They didn't need something that might get them shut down. It's unfortunate you can't talk about the elephant in the bodybuilding room, but I understand that one out of everything else.
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07-17-2022, 11:41 AM
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Nice to see Cass around (no simp lol)
I've seen forums come and go. I've seen insanely active forums just die due to a company making dumb greedy decisions (Modern War forums.....). I've seen a forum that created an album just randomly die. I've seen small communities kick for quite a while disappear when hosting became an issue.
This place seems like it'd last a good long while as long as Tao leaves it alone. Its comfy and there is still quite a large active member base, plus the random OGs who still drop by and post. There are still quality unique threads (Berring Sea fisherman dude, Yukon Gold dude, Hutrapper, etc) that I honestly don't see anywhere else. We don't have overzealous miss anymore and old banned members have come back.
I've seen forums come and go. I've seen insanely active forums just die due to a company making dumb greedy decisions (Modern War forums.....). I've seen a forum that created an album just randomly die. I've seen small communities kick for quite a while disappear when hosting became an issue.
This place seems like it'd last a good long while as long as Tao leaves it alone. Its comfy and there is still quite a large active member base, plus the random OGs who still drop by and post. There are still quality unique threads (Berring Sea fisherman dude, Yukon Gold dude, Hutrapper, etc) that I honestly don't see anywhere else. We don't have overzealous miss anymore and old banned members have come back.
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07-17-2022, 11:42 AM
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I think it mostly has to do with forums just dying out generally. All of the forums that were popular 10-15 years ago are nowhere near as populated as they used to be. Newer generation just prefers social media that requires less attention span (Instagram, Tiktok, etc.), a lot of people don't want to read whole forum threads and then post long replies. In 1 minute you can't read a whole page of thread, but you can see multiple pictures and videos on Instagram or TikTok in that time frame.
Discussions there are on a more simplistic level that requires less effort - comments on Instagram or Tiktok are typically 1-2 sentences long, often few or even just 1 word. That works better with modern generation with short attention span instead of writing long posts on a forum. Forums are also less convenient to use and topics are kind of random whereas other Social Media nowadays have algorithms to show exactly what you want to see.
Of course I do agree that part of the problem were rules becoming stricter and stricter over the years which decreased entertaining threads massively. A lot of popular and entertaining posters got banned.
Over-regulation did accelerate the decrease of users but the biggest effect imho is from just forums generally dying out.
Discussions there are on a more simplistic level that requires less effort - comments on Instagram or Tiktok are typically 1-2 sentences long, often few or even just 1 word. That works better with modern generation with short attention span instead of writing long posts on a forum. Forums are also less convenient to use and topics are kind of random whereas other Social Media nowadays have algorithms to show exactly what you want to see.
Of course I do agree that part of the problem were rules becoming stricter and stricter over the years which decreased entertaining threads massively. A lot of popular and entertaining posters got banned.
Over-regulation did accelerate the decrease of users but the biggest effect imho is from just forums generally dying out.
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Originally Posted By Cass40⏩
He whiteknighted everyone so hard it was hard to tell who his real obsessions wereI wasn't even the object of HIS obsession.
07-17-2022, 11:52 AM
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3 things. It's very simple:
1. Over moderation (back in the day)
2. Detectives
3. Final nail in coffin was hiding misc from the internet
1. Over moderation (back in the day)
2. Detectives
3. Final nail in coffin was hiding misc from the internet
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07-17-2022, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted By MinisterOfLust⏩
The mod Iceman destroyed this forum, I remember several posters I was close with were banned by him all because they disagreed with him on politics when I first joined back in 2009 or 2010 I let around that time in 2011ish or stopped posting much on here and only recently came back in 2020 due to covid lockdowns and working from home.Mods like Bozz and Iceman1800.
Ded Fkn serious.
They even killed the Store.
Brb, banning someone who spent 400 dollars a month buying supplements on your site. Just fuccin great business model
Ded Fkn serious.
They even killed the Store.
Brb, banning someone who spent 400 dollars a month buying supplements on your site. Just fuccin great business model
But he banned so many people.
Most people went to Reddit, its not ********, or instagram, or twitter that killed the Misc its reddit it basically gobbled up all the forums because reddit is simple you join and they have all various type of forums into one you dont hav eto keep joining a forum with a different pass word, you can post in a car forum, supplement forum, dating, etc with the same screen name these subreddits are popular.
I can gurantee you if Reddit wasnt around, most of the forums would still be active, because Myspace, ********, twitter were all around and forums still had traffic. but the popularizing of reddit is what sunk the forums. Its basically the Amazon of forums.
07-17-2022, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted By mulletwarrior⏩
Bro it isn't just that the misc used to have millions of lifters here posting about lifting now you will only see a couple lifting threads per month. This place was the best place on the internet circa 2008-2012 but now it' a ghost town.3 things. It's very simple:
1. Over moderation (back in the day)
2. Detectives
3. Final nail in coffin was hiding misc from the internet
1. Over moderation (back in the day)
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07-17-2022, 12:00 PM
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Smartphones were the first nail. We didn't have an app and things like Reddit boomed.
Then it was all the racist incel white nationalist **** that hide the misc and was the final nail. Pretty sure it only exists for the gov. to keep an eye on certain weridos here.
Then it was all the racist incel white nationalist **** that hide the misc and was the final nail. Pretty sure it only exists for the gov. to keep an eye on certain weridos here.
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
Dude this place was literally spammed by wincel's politics for years to the point they had to shut it down. He was posting weird political posts all day and spamming weird chit.Smartphones were the first nail. We didn't have an app and things like Reddit boomed.
Then it was all the racist incel white nationalist **** that hide the misc and was the final nail. Pretty sure it only exists for the gov. to keep an eye on certain weridos here.
Then it was all the racist incel white nationalist **** that hide the misc and was the final nail. Pretty sure it only exists for the gov. to keep an eye on certain weridos here.
The misc used to be a lifting forum not this weird political chit
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
Didn't Wincel say he was going to assassinate Trump? LmaoDude this place was literally spammed by wincel's politics for years to the point they had to shut it down. He was posting weird political posts all day and spamming weird chit.
The misc used to be a lifting forum not this weird political chit
The misc used to be a lifting forum not this weird political chit
07-17-2022, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
i know. when you think about it even if they did update to a more trendy forums they would have lost probably half of misc in the transition. just a kobayashi maru scenario man. still it isn't dead yet, just kind of demotivating when politics is the main topic, stuck on some controversial topic for days or weeks. but that's the entire internet in 2020'sSmartphones were the first nail. We didn't have an app and things like Reddit boomed.
Then it was all the racist incel white nationalist **** that hide the misc and was the final nail. Pretty sure it only exists for the gov. to keep an eye on certain weridos here.
Then it was all the racist incel white nationalist **** that hide the misc and was the final nail. Pretty sure it only exists for the gov. to keep an eye on certain weridos here.
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Power tripping mods,
I don't think they mod here anymore but at the time some were actively looking for more rules to enforce here and more personalities to remove, it was horrible.
For example why were guys like Chestbrah banned? Simply for being too popular, why was there a rule that you couldn't even show blanked out nipples? Because a twat of a mod said so. Why was that 20+ page thread closed? Because people were enjoying themselves too much - the overbearing janitors completely ruined this place and then dipped when it collapsed.
I don't think they mod here anymore but at the time some were actively looking for more rules to enforce here and more personalities to remove, it was horrible.
For example why were guys like Chestbrah banned? Simply for being too popular, why was there a rule that you couldn't even show blanked out nipples? Because a twat of a mod said so. Why was that 20+ page thread closed? Because people were enjoying themselves too much - the overbearing janitors completely ruined this place and then dipped when it collapsed.
07-17-2022, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted By 128⏩
Funny thing is that's how the mods are on all forums lol. They gatekeep and ban anyone who goes against the grain/isn't cool with them. But yeah they must have banned thousands of good posters over the years. Crazy.Power tripping mods, I don't think they mod here anymore but at the time they were actively looking for more rules to add here and more personalities to remove, it was horrible.
For example why were guys like Chestbrah banned? Simply for being too popular, why was there a rule that you couldn't even show blanked out nipples? Because a twat of a mod said so. Why was that 20+ page thread closed? Because people were enjoying themselves too much - the overbearing janitors completely ruined this place and then dipped when it collapsed.
For example why were guys like Chestbrah banned? Simply for being too popular, why was there a rule that you couldn't even show blanked out nipples? Because a twat of a mod said so. Why was that 20+ page thread closed? Because people were enjoying themselves too much - the overbearing janitors completely ruined this place and then dipped when it collapsed.
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07-17-2022, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
Yeah Reddit is the same on big subs, they make it hard to post anything outside of what they want to see, and will remove posts getting a lot of engagement out of their discretion, cause to them a forum isn't a place for discussion it's a place for them to feel powerful.Funny thing is that's how the mods are on all forums lol. They gatekeep and ban anyone who isn't friends with them. But yeah they must have banned thousands of good posters over the years. Crazy.
I guess internet moderatorship just attracts adult hall monitor types who like to ruin things for everyone.
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