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post 1664719483 07-20-2022, 07:20 PM
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Does alcohol alone make you fat?

Like lets say if I drink pure everclear in a fasted state, does it converted to fat like carbs/fat/protein would assuming its the same amount of calories?
I understand that alcohol is not good for you,that it increases the risk of binging, and that it is calorie dense.
Tried to google it and all I get is bs articles by peasants telling me why alcohol is bad for other reasons.
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Alcohol is metabolized by the the body and provides approximately 7 kilocalories/gram. This is higher than protein or carbohydrate macronutrients which clock in at 4 kilocalories/gram, but lower than bioavailable fats, which provide around 10 kilocalories/gram.

The body does metabolize it, but it is not the greatest macronutrient to deploy for your daily life. Concurrently, alcoholic beverages also tend to contain high levels of carbohydrates which adds to their caloric density as a liquid food.

So yes you can survive off it for a while but you’ll die eventually and you can gain weight from it.
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It lowers test. Which in turn hinders your ability to burn fat/calories, so in a way, yes.
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I dunno, the best shape I've been in over the last 12 months was when I was biking 20 miles every day and binge drinking like 5-6 nights per week. If you sit around eating and drinking it's probably not good, but I don't think alcohol alone is going to kill you.
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Idk used to get GF drunk and her ass looked way better when we were both drunk... then wake up the next day and her ass isn't as fat. Definitely something that the alcohol does. Thought she was special how fast she could gain/lose weight in her ass.
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post 1664719823 07-20-2022, 07:29 PM
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Really depends if you’re Chad or incel


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Simply put no it doesn't. There's no biochemical pathway that turns alcohol into fat or carbs. It is processed by the liver into acetyl acid. It does put you metabolism into a suspended state while it processes the alcohol.

Anyone who says different never took a proper biochemistry course.
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post 1664720163 07-20-2022, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted By Ausaric⏩
Alcohol is metabolized by the the body and provides approximately 7 kilocalories/gram. This is higher than protein or carbohydrate macronutrients which clock in at 4 kilocalories/gram, but lower than bioavailable fats, which provide around 10 kilocalories/gram.

The body does metabolize it, but it is not the greatest macronutrient to deploy for your daily life. Concurrently, alcoholic beverages also tend to contain high levels of carbohydrates which adds to their caloric density as a liquid food.

So yes you can survive off it for a while but you’ll die eventually and you can gain weight from it.
you do know how they calculate calories, right? They basically put it in a combustion chamber and see how much the temperature is increased after its flooded with oxygen and lit on fire. It's called a bomb calorimeter. It's not at all based on the human pathways but only stored chemical energy.
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post 1664720223 07-20-2022, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted By Ausaric⏩
Alcohol is metabolized by the the body and provides approximately 7 kilocalories/gram. This is higher than protein or carbohydrate macronutrients which clock in at 4 kilocalories/gram, but lower than bioavailable fats, which provide around 10 kilocalories/gram.

The body does metabolize it, but it is not the greatest macronutrient to deploy for your daily life. Concurrently, alcoholic beverages also tend to contain high levels of carbohydrates which adds to their caloric density as a liquid food.

So yes you can survive off it for a while but you’ll die eventually and you can gain weight from it.
My question was does it directly turn into fat, not beer or a sugary drink, pure alcohol
Originally Posted By Nonsense916⏩
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This is kind of my mindset, alcohol alone is not what gets you fat, its the dumb decisions made before or after, like taco bell at 1 am or whatever
Originally Posted By dannyg1217⏩
Simply put no it doesn't. There's no biochemical pathway that turns alcohol into fat or carbs. It is processed by the liver into acetyl acid. It does put you metabolism into a suspended state while it processes the alcohol.

Anyone who says different never took a proper biochemistry course.
Thats kind of what I was thinking, but again I want some sort of scientific article to support my thoughts. Trying to learn the science behind stuff and not just trust bs studies
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217⏩
you do know how they calculate calories, right? They basically put it in a combustion chamber and see how much the temperature is increased after its flooded with oxygen and lit on fire. It's called a bomb calorimeter. It's not at all based on the human pathways but only stored chemical energy.
Yes I’ve taken nutrition classes. The current values are as I described for each respective macronutrient. Their bioavailability varies based on the individuals ability to metabolize it, and the source of the macronutrient.

Sorry, I must not have made that clear enough in my previous post Mr. Dietician
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217⏩
Simply put no it doesn't. There's no biochemical pathway that turns alcohol into fat or carbs. It is processed by the liver into acetyl acid. It does put you metabolism into a suspended state while it processes the alcohol.

Anyone who says different never took a proper biochemistry course.
was about to post this

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post 1664720593 07-20-2022, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩
My question was does it directly turn into fat, not beer or a sugary drink, pure alcohol
If you only drink a handle of vodka every day, but don’t eat anything, you might lose weight.
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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩
Thats kind of what I was thinking, but again I want some sort of scientific article to support my thoughts. Trying to learn the science behind stuff and not just trust bs studies
You don't need an article. Just pick up a college level biochem text book.
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Originally Posted By Ausaric⏩
If you only drink a handle of vodka every day, but don’t eat anything, you might lose weight.
I've tried this, you cut weight like you're fasting. Not a handle a day atleast, lol
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217⏩
Simply put no it doesn't. There's no biochemical pathway that turns alcohol into fat or carbs. It is processed by the liver into acetyl acid. It does put you metabolism into a suspended state while it processes the alcohol.

Anyone who says different never took a proper biochemistry course.
Originally Posted By Ausaric⏩
If you only drink a handle of vodka every day, but don’t eat anything, you might lose weight.
What if you drank everclear or something that is basically all alcohol with no carbohydrates. If your caloric maintenance is 2000 calories and you drank 2500 calories in a day would you technically gain weight?

Just trying to make sure I understand this bio availability correctly because I thought the calories in alcohol directly counted for weight gain/loss.
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My uncle is an alcoholic. One of the first things that happened to him after he was off alcohol for a few days, aside from typical withdrawal issues, was that he started gaining more weight. Granted I think he barely ate, and just drank all day. So by not drinking, it probably caused him to do more eating.
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Originally Posted By JeepBruh⏩
What if you drank everclear or something that is basically all alcohol with no carbohydrates. If your caloric maintenance is 2000 calories and you drank 2500 calories in a day would you technically gain weight?

Just trying to make sure I understand this bio availability correctly because I thought the calories in alcohol directly counted for weight gain/loss.
No, because when you metabolize alcohol it turns into acetyl acid, this actually needs atp to move the reaction forward. You will never gain weight from pure alcohol.

Beer is a problem because it's loaded with carbs so your body needs energy from processing the alcohol so it'll be turned into some sugars and some fat. The higher carb or sugary the drink, the fatter you'll get.
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Originally Posted By Visel⏩
My uncle is an alcoholic. One of the first things that happened to him after he was off alcohol for a few days, aside from typical withdrawal issues, was that he started gaining more weight. Granted I think he barely ate, and just drank all day. So by not drinking, it probably caused him to do more eating.
As a huge alcoholic, I can confirm this. Your appetite is suppressed and you can actually live on alcohol and very little other nutrients for a period of time. Obviously there are risks to multiple organ systems, including your brain.

It’s actually not advisable to drink more than 1 beverage per day. There may be minimal ancillary benefits to partaking in moderation.

But, for the goal of weight loss, I don’t see only drinking vodka as a healthy goal.
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217⏩
You don't need an article. Just pick up a college level biochem text book.
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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩
My question was does it directly turn into fat, not beer or a sugary drink, pure alcohol
What he said is correct and he's telling you it has a lot of cals.

No food "directly turns into fat" so I don't know what you mean.

If you eat and drink more than you burn that day, it may be stored as fat.
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217⏩
Simply put no it doesn't. There's no biochemical pathway that turns alcohol into fat or carbs. It is processed by the liver into acetyl acid. It does put you metabolism into a suspended state while it processes the alcohol.

Anyone who says different never took a proper biochemistry course.
Lyle McDonald said something to this affect.
the liver can't metabolize alcohol into usable energy and when your liver is burning that it stops burning fat.

that said, every chick i know that drinks like a fish is skinny AF because they skip breakfast, eat grapes for lunch and half a burger for dinner followed by a 12 pack or half a bottle of vodka with some seltzer.
the sheer amount of alcohol calories they consume should make them fat but it doesn't.

drunk eaters are fooked though.
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Originally Posted By dannyg1217⏩
No, because when you metabolize alcohol it turns into acetyl acid, this actually needs atp to move the reaction forward. You will never gain weight from pure alcohol.

Beer is a problem because it's loaded with carbs so your body needs energy from processing the alcohol so it'll be turned into some sugars and some fat. The higher carb or sugary the drink, the fatter you'll get.
I read a study where they fed people like 500g of carbs a day and on the top end, only 5% was converted to fat srs

We barely have a pathway for that as well

The fact is that nearly all human body fat started out as dietary fat and people and societies who eat more dietary fat are fatter

That being said, slamming a bunch of alcohol and carbs will annihilate your ability to burn fat

And if someone is planning on drinking a bunch of everclear while fasted, they should be more concerned about gaining criminal charges rather than body fat
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Excessive calorie surplus makes you fat regardless of where it comes from.
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Originally Posted By Vascularmanlet⏩
Excessive calorie surplus makes you fat regardless of where it comes from.
Nah srs

You can slam your dietary fat down close to zero and get away with it

Lots of other downsides to that though hehe

I tried it one time for 6 months while gigarinsing and no fat gain was seen srs
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Originally Posted By JeepBruh⏩
What if you drank everclear or something that is basically all alcohol with no carbohydrates. If your caloric maintenance is 2000 calories and you drank 2500 calories in a day would you technically gain weight?

Just trying to make sure I understand this bio availability correctly because I thought the calories in alcohol directly counted for weight gain/loss.
There's a book called "Get drunk, not fat" that talks about all this, the problem is that with just about any alcoholic beverage, it's the alcohol that provides most of the empty calories.

If you wanna get fooked up you're better off smoking the Devil's Lettuce, might give you the munchies but if you're a heavy lifter and got chicken breast and egg whites on hand, that might be a good thing.
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Originally Posted By Bando⏩
There's a book called "Get drunk, not fat" that talks about all this, the problem is that with just about any alcoholic beverage, it's the alcohol that provides most of the empty calories.

If you wanna get fooked up you're better off smoking the Devil's Lettuce, might give you the munchies but if you're a heavy lifter and got chicken breast and egg whites on hand, that might be a good thing.
Not me dude, if I get piffed out I will eat everything in the kitchen. Drinking is actually better for me BF% wise but makes me unproductive as chit the next day or so.

A while ago (around ~30) I emptied out my kitchen (legit everything snack-wise) and transferred all my liquid cash into investments, cut up my credit cards and got piffed out. I ended up finding some strawberry creamcheese and spooning it until finish. I guess it worked, that's all I ate because that's all I could find.

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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
I read a study where they fed people like 500g of carbs a day and on the top end, only 5% was converted to fat srs

We barely have a pathway for that as well

The fact is that nearly all human body fat started out as dietary fat and people and societies who eat more dietary fat are fatter

That being said, slamming a bunch of alcohol and carbs will annihilate your ability to burn fat

And if someone is planning on drinking a bunch of everclear while fasted, they should be more concerned about gaining criminal charges rather than body fat
Most of those studies are BS as they don't last long enough.

A lot of the food you eat just gets crapped out, so, it takes weeks of over eating to start gaining noticeable fat.

Most studies aren't funded well so they will last or a too short of a time to get real results. A lot of fitness studies are like that. They will conclude some supp doesn't work after like a week of use when supps and vitamins can take many months to seep into your whole body.
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Originally Posted By BullittEV⏩
Not me dude, if I get piffed out I will eat everything in the kitchen.
After I got my 2nd and 3rd covid shots I had no appetite at all. All food smelled like a wet dog.

I found a strain that makes me ravenous, and I feel better for puffing it, got at least a thousand calories from eating actual food today.
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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩
Like lets say if I drink pure everclear in a fasted state, does it converted to fat like carbs/fat/protein would assuming its the same amount of calories?
I understand that alcohol is not good for you,that it increases the risk of binging, and that it is calorie dense.
Tried to google it and all I get is bs articles by peasants telling me why alcohol is bad for other reasons.
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Short answer, no. If you consume more calories than you burn through food and alcohol combined, then yes obviously. And alcohol will suspend fat burning, meaning if you're sedentary it will increase the probability of weight gain. But there is no clear association between alcohol and fat gain, unless alcohol leads to poor choices like binging on two pizzas while drunk.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2837522/
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