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08-15-2022, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted By RocknRollMuscle⏩
Hey I'm good with calling the new homeless camps"Bidenville".ask a defund the police, lgbqt123, pink hair libtard. They know *everything*.
No one cares about solutions nowadays, it's alla bout bithcing on fb.
high cost of living, chitty diet, depression, drug use, beta males, crapy economy = way to go Biden! At least no more mean tweets.
No one cares about solutions nowadays, it's alla bout bithcing on fb.
high cost of living, chitty diet, depression, drug use, beta males, crapy economy = way to go Biden! At least no more mean tweets.
That way the homeless have a way to get their mail. Set them up in city parks...kids don't really need to play soccer, right?
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You really need a mailing address for a lot of reasons. Might as well set up wifi for the camps while we are at it.
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arm them with ar-15s
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08-15-2022, 09:21 AM
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You can't just cull people that don't have a place to live
The homeless issue started in the 90's when the mental institutions were finally closed out
Most are mentally incapable of taking care of themselves anymore, a lot of drug use obviously
A lot are veterans & we shouldn't allow them to be homeless in the first place
Also they can't just go apply for a job because you need a residence to even get a job
The homeless issue started in the 90's when the mental institutions were finally closed out
Most are mentally incapable of taking care of themselves anymore, a lot of drug use obviously
A lot are veterans & we shouldn't allow them to be homeless in the first place
Also they can't just go apply for a job because you need a residence to even get a job
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Originally Posted By natypes⏩
Not sure what country but assuming America. Imagine having socialized healthcare and paying for their ambulance ride and ED visit cuz they want a sandwich, meanwhile you wait 17 hours to X-ray your broken arm.Is kill them all not an option? I was a leo for 15 years in a fairly big city, homeless are fuking scum. They commit so many fuking crimes and bring down the quality of life so bad wherever they are.
Housing them has been proven to be cheaper here due to the decrease in their usage of healthcare. Many are so low functioning (often hypoxic head injuries from repeated overdoses but also just fetal exposure) and they need to be institutionalized.
Can't vouch specifically for these stats but there is a lot of good research showing the same general thing.
Not sure about stats/costs for Ameribrahs though. Our town is actually on the brink of several large housing projects. Will be interesting to see if it actually works. But when they shut down the institution in Vancouver if flooded the city with homeless (soon to be) addicts and they've never recovered. The talk about institutions is finally coming back as it used to be an untouchable subject.
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08-15-2022, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
Katya's Amoral Thoughts On Solving The Drug ProblemThey're homeless because of drugs. Stop flooding them with drugs, stop giving them needles to use.
- provide legal free drugs at quite pleasant [though controlled] sites
Why?
- kill off the black market competition > gain control of the market
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- ring fence drug use to defined locations
Why?
- medical and law enforcement needs can be more easily targeted
- reduce safety hazards for the non-using general public
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- PR campaign to spread the public perception that drugs are the road to poor health and early death, something for clowns, weak people, and losers [not risk takers/baddies]
Why?
- to reduce/prevent new users taking up the habit
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So in the meantime we would still see people killing themselves slow or fast with these substances, but by killing the black market and controlling the point of supply/use there should be the opportunity to reduce the harm.
Personally I would make 'em free, but every time someone comes in to use I would require them to read aloud the risks of using and to acknowledge that they have the option to choose treatment instead, but are choosing to use of their own free will rather than to enter into a treatment program.
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That's the "socialist" part...need a treatment option free to any users who want it and it should be a really good one with "halfway house" type support and jobs for those that need that to get on their feet again.
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08-15-2022, 09:39 AM
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The solution is to not live in a giant liberal chithole. Dont need to do anything but move.
08-15-2022, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Or we can go around to all the homeless addicts and give them lethal doses of ********. Other than corpse disposal, problem is gone in a week or so.Katya's Amoral Thoughts On Solving The Drug Problem
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Originally Posted By milfmanmilk⏩
I know you kid but imagine if China or Russia snuck up with a cargo ship and handed out loads of guns and ammo to homeless along the west coast.arm them with ar-15s
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
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08-15-2022, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
If you are going to be evil then at least be smart evil.Or we can go around to all the homeless addicts and give them lethal doses of ********. Other than corpse disposal, problem is gone in a week or so.
- set up system as outlined
- create a reasonable seeming timeline for the *near* eradication ofchronicdrug use
- lottery system for heavy/repeated users
- "winners" OD...contaminated dose, lethal injection
Chew away at it gradually and no trauma for the general public. No need to scare the sheep dear.
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08-15-2022, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
But the way it is now is like you're describing. Lots of ******** spiked doses, and they already don't care. Might as well finish them off at this point.If you are going to be evil then at least be smart evil.
- set up system as outlined
- create a reasonable seeming timeline for the *near* eradication ofchronicdrug use
- lottery system for heavy/repeated users
- "winners" OD...contaminated dose, lethal injection
Chew away at it gradually and no trauma for the general public. No need to scare the sheep dear.
- set up system as outlined
- create a reasonable seeming timeline for the *near* eradication ofchronicdrug use
- lottery system for heavy/repeated users
- "winners" OD...contaminated dose, lethal injection
Chew away at it gradually and no trauma for the general public. No need to scare the sheep dear.
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
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08-15-2022, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
It is legitimately impractical in a broad economic way with no consideration for morality. In a natural system the weak, sick, and old [aka: vulnerable and unproductive] get killed off by predators, sickness, and lack of resources.Yes you can.
The massive energy reserve that humans tapped into [oil and gas] allowed our population to expand to levels otherwise unreachable. And we have advanced greatly in many areas thanks to this also. We are in a state of imbalance as that easy/cheap energy is in decline.
Big swings in population create instability and collapse. The weakest of those in the bottom tiers are already being killed off via economic pressures.
A controlled reduction which preserves the best of us is preferable, but going too quickly [rapid die off] is a recipe for disaster. It might already be happening if the increased all cause mortality and decreased birth rate continue for a decade or more.
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08-15-2022, 10:31 AM
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I'm a bit of a black hearted bastard, but in my opinion if you're an addict or so mentally ill you can't be housed and refuse to take meds to control it then you're not contributing anything to society and should just be euthanized at a certain point. I also don't believe in housing criminals for life sentences, and think that if you get life, that's it - doing something bad enough to be in prison for life means you have given up your right to live.
So you give people a timeline. Give them support they need to get off the streets and become functioning members of society, and if they do then great. Social housing, medications, jobs, whatever they need to provide and let them prosper. The ones who refuse and/or are so far gone they would rather live on the streets if they are still there within x amount of time they get put down.
So you give people a timeline. Give them support they need to get off the streets and become functioning members of society, and if they do then great. Social housing, medications, jobs, whatever they need to provide and let them prosper. The ones who refuse and/or are so far gone they would rather live on the streets if they are still there within x amount of time they get put down.
08-15-2022, 10:32 AM
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The reason there are veterans homeless is b/c they were destined to be homeless anyway, the military just delayed that. I'd say half or more of the homeless population is mentally ill, but really, they're just useless eaters too. The other half are just pos criminals that will steal anything. But, I don't think they ONLY steal b/c they're homeless, I think they're homeless b/c they are thieves. Broken people, like broken appliances, should be disposed of. Is that cold, yes, would it work, yes. How would you like to know your neighbor is only not killing you or stealing your shyt b/c of a pill that he doesn't even like to take b/c of the side effects?
People that are completely dependent upon a pill to keep them from being animals do not belong with civilization. I'm not talking about depressed or bipolar, I'm talking about those with fairly severe schizophrenia that hate their Haldol and Cogenant (sp?). Especially if they have violent tendencies or an extensive criminal background.
People that are completely dependent upon a pill to keep them from being animals do not belong with civilization. I'm not talking about depressed or bipolar, I'm talking about those with fairly severe schizophrenia that hate their Haldol and Cogenant (sp?). Especially if they have violent tendencies or an extensive criminal background.
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08-15-2022, 10:33 AM
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Jump them with skateboards
Lol not srs.
My sister is homeless because she’s a druggie and refuses help. Pretty sure this is the case for most, so tbh idc and don’t think any deserve help since they won’t help themselves.
Lol not srs.
My sister is homeless because she’s a druggie and refuses help. Pretty sure this is the case for most, so tbh idc and don’t think any deserve help since they won’t help themselves.
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08-15-2022, 10:50 AM
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Ben Franklin had it figured out.
“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
― Benjamin Franklin
“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
― Benjamin Franklin
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The real dracula had a solution:
Vlad the Impaler solves the homeless problem
[Warning: violent]
EXT. TÎRGOVISTE DINING HALL — NIGHT
Vlad stops outside the hall and confers with DRAGOMIR, the Captain of his guards:
VLAD: You have gathered together all the cripples, the poor, the sick, the vagrants and beggars of this land?
DRAGOMIR: Yes, Voivode. They’re quite a smelly crowd, but they seem to be having a good time. It’s lasted all day, and half the night.
Vlad nods, and walks inside the hall.
INT. TÎRGOVISTE DINING HALL — CONTINUOUS
Hundreds of wretched PEOPLE are enjoying a sumptuous feast. They stuff themselves with huge plates of food, and drink jugs of wine until they can drink no more. Things are getting pretty ROWDY, but everyone quiets down at the sight of Vlad.
VLAD: No one should go hungry in my land! What else do you need? Do you all want to be without cares… would you like to be poor no more?
PEOPLE: YES!
VLAD: Then it shall be done!
He walks out.
EXT. TÎRGOVISTE DINING HALL — CONTINUOUS
Vlad addresses his Captain:
VLAD: Dragomir, all my subjects should work, and contribute to the common welfare. Let’s make sure these parasites will present no further burden to others.
Dragomir nods, and signals to his MEN. They NAIL planks over the doors and windows, and set fire to the hall.
VLAD (continuing): Remember: no survivors.
Dragomir salutes, as Vlad walks away. The people inside the burning building begin to SCREAM.
Vlad the Impaler solves the homeless problem
[Warning: violent]
EXT. TÎRGOVISTE DINING HALL — NIGHT
Vlad stops outside the hall and confers with DRAGOMIR, the Captain of his guards:
VLAD: You have gathered together all the cripples, the poor, the sick, the vagrants and beggars of this land?
DRAGOMIR: Yes, Voivode. They’re quite a smelly crowd, but they seem to be having a good time. It’s lasted all day, and half the night.
Vlad nods, and walks inside the hall.
INT. TÎRGOVISTE DINING HALL — CONTINUOUS
Hundreds of wretched PEOPLE are enjoying a sumptuous feast. They stuff themselves with huge plates of food, and drink jugs of wine until they can drink no more. Things are getting pretty ROWDY, but everyone quiets down at the sight of Vlad.
VLAD: No one should go hungry in my land! What else do you need? Do you all want to be without cares… would you like to be poor no more?
PEOPLE: YES!
VLAD: Then it shall be done!
He walks out.
EXT. TÎRGOVISTE DINING HALL — CONTINUOUS
Vlad addresses his Captain:
VLAD: Dragomir, all my subjects should work, and contribute to the common welfare. Let’s make sure these parasites will present no further burden to others.
Dragomir nods, and signals to his MEN. They NAIL planks over the doors and windows, and set fire to the hall.
VLAD (continuing): Remember: no survivors.
Dragomir salutes, as Vlad walks away. The people inside the burning building begin to SCREAM.
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Originally Posted By Omnivium⏩
They're already here. Our city set up a camp, nice tent area, porta pottys, 1 block to the beach ocean view however the rules are no drugs and alcohol. Nobody came. That pretty much explains the problemShip them all to California
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Originally Posted By HateLiberals⏩
I agree lol.Outlaw panhandling
Stop welfare of any form
You don't work you don't eat scum
Stop welfare of any form
You don't work you don't eat scum
08-15-2022, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
Oh I think where we fail to agree is an issue of degree. You assume that everyone who has fallen into a bad state is a lost cause and beyond hope of saving.Nope, the sick and defective are to be culled off as soon as possible before the current situation is reached. The problem will only get worse and worse if you keep tip-toeing around the issue. Then when it reaches a critical point they will all be eliminated at once but with a lot of collateral damage to the healthy population.
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God knows best, follow his way and peace and prosperity will ensue.
I believe we should try to give everyone a real chance at making it. Not everyone gets that just as a matter of course.
There is an inadequate availability of help for people that want it and could benefit from it. IIRC the fastest growing segment of homeless people right now is old ladies like me...single women over 50.
Believe it or don't believe it, but over age 50 for most people who don't have a skill in high demand only the lowest tier jobs are attainable which rarely provide enough income for housing.
Many people fall into drinking and drug use as a way to cope with being homeless.
In many situations, however, substance abuse is a result of homelessness rather than a cause. People who are homeless often turn to drugs and alcohol to cope with their situations. They use substances in an attempt to attain temporary relief from their problems. In reality, however, substance dependence only exacerbates their problems and decreases their ability to achieve employment stability and get off the streets. Additionally, some people may view drug and alcohol use as necessary to be accepted among the homeless community (Didenko and Pankratz, 2007).
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
You have 50k posts on a dying Indian bodybuilding forumOr we can go around to all the homeless addicts and give them lethal doses of ********. Other than corpse disposal, problem is gone in a week or so.
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Originally Posted By crupiea⏩
The fact this isn’t common sense just goes to show how out of touch a lot of people are.Ben Franklin had it figured out.
“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
― Benjamin Franklin
“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
― Benjamin Franklin
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
Would you hire a sweaty homeless dude to work at your establishment ?I'm a bit of a black hearted bastard, but in my opinion if you're an addict or so mentally ill you can't be housed and refuse to take meds to control it then you're not contributing anything to society and should just be euthanized at a certain point. I also don't believe in housing criminals for life sentences, and think that if you get life, that's it - doing something bad enough to be in prison for life means you have given up your right to live.
So you give people a timeline. Give them support they need to get off the streets and become functioning members of society, and if they do then great. Social housing, medications, jobs, whatever they need to provide and let them prosper. The ones who refuse and/or are so far gone they would rather live on the streets if they are still there within x amount of time they get put down.
So you give people a timeline. Give them support they need to get off the streets and become functioning members of society, and if they do then great. Social housing, medications, jobs, whatever they need to provide and let them prosper. The ones who refuse and/or are so far gone they would rather live on the streets if they are still there within x amount of time they get put down.
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
Two weeks? You know when u get a job most times it takes 3 weeks to get your first paycheck and even then if you work at McDonald’s or some **** you still won’t ever have enough money to put down first and last month in an apartmentYou're probably right, I believe that everyone that has any chance to get out of homelessness would have never fallen into that state in the first place, or would have got out of it in a week or two.
So yea "giving them a chance" is naive, just expel them from our kingdom and let them earn their place back if they can make it.
So yea "giving them a chance" is naive, just expel them from our kingdom and let them earn their place back if they can make it.
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
Same here and I feel like if I was in the same boat, I’d rather just be humanly put out to pasture. I’d have a little party right before hand and say my good byes to everybody wish everyone well.I'm a bit of a black hearted bastard, but in my opinion if you're an addict or so mentally ill you can't be housed and refuse to take meds to control it then you're not contributing anything to society and should just be euthanized at a certain point. I also don't believe in housing criminals for life sentences, and think that if you get life, that's it - doing something bad enough to be in prison for life means you have given up your right to live.
So you give people a timeline. Give them support they need to get off the streets and become functioning members of society, and if they do then great. Social housing, medications, jobs, whatever they need to provide and let them prosper. The ones who refuse and/or are so far gone they would rather live on the streets if they are still there within x amount of time they get put down.
So you give people a timeline. Give them support they need to get off the streets and become functioning members of society, and if they do then great. Social housing, medications, jobs, whatever they need to provide and let them prosper. The ones who refuse and/or are so far gone they would rather live on the streets if they are still there within x amount of time they get put down.
08-15-2022, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
Not all homeless people are the same though.You're probably right, I believe that everyone that has any chance to get out of homelessness would have never fallen into that state in the first place, or would have got out of it in a week or two.
So yea "giving them a chance" is naive, just expel them from our kingdom and let them earn their place back if they can make it.
So yea "giving them a chance" is naive, just expel them from our kingdom and let them earn their place back if they can make it.
Transitional Homelessness
Transitional homelessness is “a state of homelessness that’s a result of a major life change or catastrophic event”. These life changes might be job loss, a health condition, divorce, domestic abuse, a substance use disorder, or personal or family crisis, among many others, resulting in people being in unhoused situations for less than a year.
People who experience transitional homelessness may enter a transitional housing program for a limited time. They may also sleep in their cars or outside. Oftentimes people experiencing transitional homelessness still have jobs, but cannot afford housing and other expenses.
Transitional homelessness is “a state of homelessness that’s a result of a major life change or catastrophic event”. These life changes might be job loss, a health condition, divorce, domestic abuse, a substance use disorder, or personal or family crisis, among many others, resulting in people being in unhoused situations for less than a year.
People who experience transitional homelessness may enter a transitional housing program for a limited time. They may also sleep in their cars or outside. Oftentimes people experiencing transitional homelessness still have jobs, but cannot afford housing and other expenses.
Episodic Homelessness
People can also experience “episodic homelessness”, whether they are currently unhoused or experienced at least three periods of homelessness within the last 12 months.
Like transitional homelessness, many of those facing episodic homelessness are younger or dealing with a disabling condition. These conditions could be substance use disorder, mental illness, and other mental and/or physical health conditions. In some cases, some episodically unhoused people have seasonal or minimum wage income jobs.
People can also experience “episodic homelessness”, whether they are currently unhoused or experienced at least three periods of homelessness within the last 12 months.
Like transitional homelessness, many of those facing episodic homelessness are younger or dealing with a disabling condition. These conditions could be substance use disorder, mental illness, and other mental and/or physical health conditions. In some cases, some episodically unhoused people have seasonal or minimum wage income jobs.
Chronic Homelessness
A person experiencing chronic homelessness is defined as "an unaccompanied homeless individual with a disabling condition" who has been homeless for more than one year. It’s more common for people experiencing chronic homelessness to also deal with a certain disability, mental health condition, addiction, and other debilitating conditions that restrict their ability to escape homelessness.
According to the National Alliance to End Homelessness, chronically homeless people tend to be older and makeup about 17% of the homeless population. Many chronically unhoused people have complex, long-term health issues and live on the street, in parks, in cars, or in other places that are not suitable or safe for living.
A person experiencing chronic homelessness is defined as "an unaccompanied homeless individual with a disabling condition" who has been homeless for more than one year. It’s more common for people experiencing chronic homelessness to also deal with a certain disability, mental health condition, addiction, and other debilitating conditions that restrict their ability to escape homelessness.
According to the National Alliance to End Homelessness, chronically homeless people tend to be older and makeup about 17% of the homeless population. Many chronically unhoused people have complex, long-term health issues and live on the street, in parks, in cars, or in other places that are not suitable or safe for living.
Hidden Homelessness
Individuals who live with others temporarily without a permanent home are considered “hidden homeless,” as it is often most unnoticed. Since they lack access to housing support resources and cannot be identified, they are 'hidden' from national statistics on homelessness.
Since they lack access to housing support resources and cannot be identified, they are 'hidden' from national statistics on homelessness.
People who experience hidden homelessness, often turn to friends, family, and neighbors for a shelter or a place of refuge. In a lot of cases, many of these people cannot afford to pay rent or afford other living expenses. The first sign of homelessness for them may be couch surfing or sleeping over with friends, which is considered to be less serious — and obvious — than sleeping on the street.
Individuals who live with others temporarily without a permanent home are considered “hidden homeless,” as it is often most unnoticed. Since they lack access to housing support resources and cannot be identified, they are 'hidden' from national statistics on homelessness.
Since they lack access to housing support resources and cannot be identified, they are 'hidden' from national statistics on homelessness.
People who experience hidden homelessness, often turn to friends, family, and neighbors for a shelter or a place of refuge. In a lot of cases, many of these people cannot afford to pay rent or afford other living expenses. The first sign of homelessness for them may be couch surfing or sleeping over with friends, which is considered to be less serious — and obvious — than sleeping on the street.
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