Check out what those terms mean

And what is your issue with this? I don't think you have a clear understanding of how the body mounts an immune response or what molecular pathways are involved.

"Vascular and organ damage induced by mRNA vaccines: irrefutable proof of causality

Michael Palmer, MD and Sucharit Bhakdi, MD
August, 2022

The collective findings demonstrate that..

1. mRNA vaccines don’t stay at the injection site by instead travel throughout the
body and accumulate in various organs

2. mRNA-based COVID vaccines induce long-lasting expression of the SARS-CoV-2
spike protein in many organs

3. vaccine-induced expression of the spike protein induces autoimmune-like inflammation

4. vaccine-induced inflammation can cause grave organ damage, especially in
vessels, sometimes with deadly outcome.

https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-c...ty-article.pdf

Oh..so we are changing definitions of what the jab does again. That didn't work out so well last time..

Except its not gene therapy in the way you are thinking, where you are using enzymes to modify the DNA in your cells.

Nah. Historical, conventional, long-standing terms and definitions.

I got the j&j back in early 2021. Never caught since

I don't know what to think due to the sheer amount of conflicting viewpoints everywhere.

Nah..they actually changed the definition of the vaccine..then they told everyone if you get the jab..you won't get covid...'member?

Try books

My story, if you care to hear.


I'm a stinky old geezer that was diagnosed with stage 3 lung cancer and given 2 to 3 months to live. That was 3 years ago. My oncologist said, don't walk, run to get the 'vax' when it becomes available. I did that and got the two jabs of fauci juice. Of course, I caught the China Virus designed to kill off us boomers. Knocked my dick in the dirt, but I survived. The "experts" tell me I lived because of the jabs. Maybe so, maybe not. I'll never know.


Did not fuk around with the boosters.

Take this story for what it's worth, ie, anecdotal.

You don't believe me? I can upload photos from my cardiologist appointments when I get home from work tonight if you really want

Try CDC

interesting that you chose not to admit you have literally not a single clue what anything in that paper means, and instead just move on. you have no goddamn clue what an interleukin is do you? just be honest with yourself for once in your life, you completely and totally made up the "it ****s up your immune system" line based on a paper you have zero actual understanding of. you don't know what it means for IL-6 to be elevated, for TNFa to be downregulated, you have no idea what you're talking about.gee, i wonder if all-cause non-covid mortality being elevated has any explanations? maybe the extreme stress everyone has been under while the locked down the world? maybe the medical procedures that were cancelled? maybe the lack of exercise since people stopped going to the gym? maybe aliteral global pandemicthat is still going on because of ****ty vaccines that don't stop the disease anymore?yeah, because they made a wildly speculative statement in a factual way that was irresponsible and people should be fired over it. there was no evidence that it lasted a matter of days like they suggested, and they never even cared to check.


lol this guy is an imbecile, have you actually read this paper? surely there's no way you have or you wouldn't think this guy has a brain. what he's done is take any "grade 3" event (which is defined clinically as "interfering with daily activities") and counted it as "severe morbidity" and then compared that between the vaccine and placebo groups. and surprise surprise, he found that it was statistically significantly more likely that a vaccine recipient had a side effect that interfered with their daily activities. this is literally public information. every phase 3 trial is published publicly. if the position you find reasonable is that a grade 3 headache or grade 3 fatigue constitutes "severe morbidity" then you are beyond helpyou can't possibly believe this is true but i'm pretty excited to learn where exactly you think this data is. just the mere fact that you think that publicly available trial data could have a p < 0.00001 increase in mortality in a randomized, controlled trial and every doctorwouldn't notice itis hilarious.surelyyou didn't just take the ****ty paper you posted above, read the 0.00001 p value, and think that it was for "mortality" despite the fact that it clearly says right next to that number that it's for severe side effects? the table within the study you linked literally shows less people died in the vaccine group compared to the placebo group...this question is meaningless without context. what is the point of the jab for a healthy young adult who already has antibodies? or what is the point of the jab for an 80 year old with diabetes who is immune naive?yes informed consent is important and wasn't given. you're just going off on random tangents now i've never disagreed with this.
lmao "catch covid multiple times after the shots" is an adverse event? going blind? where's the RCT that shows going blind is more likely than in the placebo group?
i was wrong, you're not dumb, you're just part of a cult now. you're clearly smart enough to realize that i had you on the ropes when i asked you if you knew a single thing about that immune system paper you cited, since you were smart enough to change the subject and not talk about it anymore. which makes it even worse that you're continuing this horsechit charade, because you're smart enough to know this is ridiculous horse ****. nobody with a brain and functioning neurons thinks there's a FOUR NINES significant change in mortality in the RCT data.

Wincel still shilling for the genocidal vaxx

what's it like to live a life where anyone who disagrees with you is a shill? that honestly seems like it could be a literally diagnosable paranoid delusion

like seriously the kind of person who thinks that someone challenging a scientific assertion is a shill just has to be delusional on some level

This is how I know you are a fukin moron. I know you think you are smart, but you are nothing but a fukin shill..interleukins are the cause of why we are seeing a Cytokine Storm in vaxxcells. Those interleukins or messenger proteins (IL-12's) never shut off. Interleukins are just a sub-set of cellular messenger molecules called cytokines that trigger an immune response like inflammation. every single animal study in the past when we looked at Coronavirus Vaccines, would always cause a cytokine storm when we injected the coronavirus into the animal. Total immune system shut down, organ failure, th2 immunopathology. We have seen this in the past with the RSV vaccine back in the 90's or the Dengue vaccine..ADE would set in, and it was system overload. Are you catching on now? It would look like the vaccine is working, as it did initially with Covid, but then when people came into contact with RSV the vaccine would act as a catalyst making the illness far more deadly. Same with the Dengue vaccine...it was distributed, moths later when people came into contact with the Dengue again, it made it deadly.., over 600 people died for what should have been a fever.

I swear, take a guy like yourself that took a sub-par community college class, release them on the internet, and this is the result. You are a fukin joke.

Now you want to blame all cause mortality on depression and lock-downs? LOOOOOL dude, delete your account, urine idiot

Got vaxxed - Nothing happened
Still caught rona - was fine after 2-3 days
Post rona - Nothing happened

Inb4 nothing happened... yet

Can't say much negative for or against it in my personal experience. If I had my time again prob wouldn't bother.

I haven’t had Covid but the second shot and the booster gave me a high fever and chills for 3 days, I don’t want to go through that again.

I swear it’s worse than Covid.

All the jabbies I know are constantly sick

Thoughts and prayers

I got J&J in October 2021 due to it being traditional technology and didnt have any vax complications, 1 year later im still healthy.

If you have avoided getting vaxxed until now, just ignore it, srs

Doctors still push the Pill and take it themselves.

Plus lots of doctors as fat as fuk.

Appealing to authority is npc as fuk you pathetic loser

all cause mortality was elevated in people from 18-64 years of age because those are the ones that have life insurance premiums through their employer.

if you recall the data from italy,97% of their covid deaths were in people of senior citizen age that had 1 or more comorbidities

so if you're going to claim that all cause mortality is up 40% in people ages 18-64 (for which 97% of them don't die of covid) because people had to stay at home and watch netflix and eat junk food for a year, son..

i did that as well. i was shredded prior to the pandemic and i put on 30lbs of lard. still exercised, but i put on the fat. i had no stress at all.

people don't just die in their sleep, especially not with a 40% increase in all cause mortality, because of stress, depression, or alcoholism. it doesn't make any sense.

and alluding to a previous thread, it can't have been the delta variant because people 18-64 years of age are only 3% of the total covid deaths according to italy data. you can argue that people in the US in that age group are less healthy than italians and that may be true, but their mortality rate wouldn't have risen by 40% to account for that difference in health.

i believe according to the insurance CEOs, such an increase in mortality is an extreme statistical anomaly.

Also andrographis, black seed oil, NAC and garlic.

After I took the vaccine two years ago, my immune system got fuked. Started getting sick waaay more often than before I got it. Before I got the vaccine, I rarely got sick. Not to mention, I kept having nose bleeds at the beginning of the year several times per week.

OP, who provides the most intelligent, mature, and scientifically perspicuous replies on the topic?


Is it pro-vaxxers, like myself, or the anti-vaxxers (Chicken Nugget Brigade)?

I'm getting a lot more colds, too.

This is my experience. I got it because it was mandated - two shots only, as the boosters weren't mandated to keep my job.

Neither the virus, nor the vaccines have negatively effected my families health anywhere close to what the social restrictions did. That is time we will never get back.

Based on the statistics I've seen it is not much more deadly than the flu.

Infection fatality rate for the flu is ~0.2%, while the most comprehensive covid meta-analysis I've seen (Ioannidis) has the infection fatality rate at 0.18-0.25%.

I can see why people have lost trust in any authority such as the FDA, CDC and the WHO - they suffer from conflicts of interest and regulatory capture.

For example, the WHO boss Tedros came out early in 2020 comparing the flu to covid. He said theinfectionfatality rate of the flu was 0.2%, and thecasefatality rate of covid was 3-4%. Either he is deliberately distorting data to stoke fear, or he is inept and doesn't understand statistics.

There have been countless examples of twisting the data over the last two years. It's no wonder people have lost trust in all these authorities.

When the WHO sets the agenda, and their 2nd biggest donor is Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation with $500 million annually people are well within their rights to ask if their may be a conflict of interest.

I agree the truth is somewhere in the middle, but fuk me the lies and propaganda have been coming thick and fast the last 2.5 years.

Real talk no bs.

Early on when it was stronger and wrecked people i hoped we had a solution( operation warp speed) but as time passed i realized it depended on the individual person.
Their condition, their pre existing issues, fitness, and general health status.
Because i did my research, i increased vit D, zinc, and ate better while trying to fix sleep.

I never got it and all i did was follow the suggestions.
After getting the shots, I had a headache and fatigue for 36 hours then poof, gone.