You have been programmed to hate these people. You have been programmed to hate their government, which has the support of their people. The CCP has higher approval than our parties ever will, even when you account for coercion. Our media constantly maligns China and its leadership. They are a great civilization worthy of respect. And we can cooperate with them and achieve great things for humanity.

It's literally some Orwell tier bs. We're made to hate these civilizations and demonize their leaders. Putin helped save American lives in Afghanistan. Xi has never attacked America. They do not want to be our enemies.

It is possible to stand our ground while cooperating. We have allowed ourselves, from a position of extraordinary power and security, to still act paranoid and afraid. We hate everything not like us. We refuse to understand.

Yet you're rooting for a totalitarian police state with reeducation camps and whatnot. Curious.

For an “anti-fascist” he sure seems to loooooove authoritarian regimes.

Do you have any idea what the Chinese and Russians have been through in the last century?

Kind of hilarious you cant accept reality and then accuse me of cope

I understand them. And I do not support knocking them off and leaving the people worse off. Get over your childish programming of hollywood style good vs evil and try to understand the world for what it is. Leadership is not clean or easy. In that part of the world, there is a lot of chaos and conflict. People die. You have to kill people to take control and make the needed changes to build a better world. If you can't understand that and want to moralize to the world and leave it worse of, ravaged by war, then you're frankly, dumb as hell. This world is not a happy place. But it can be a better place.

Or South Korea or Japan - also decimated by WWII. Not going to see winced singing the praises of how Japan is maybe the safest and cleanest place on the earth or how sophisticated Seoul is. Nope!

The really ironic thing is he would be in jail or worse for the **** he posts in either Russia or china a long time ago. But … but America is so evil!

We helped them. We refused to help Russia after the collapse. We helped Poland and they are doing well now. Listen to people like Jeff Sachs. We (or at least those calling the shots) are evil. We refused to seek peace and help these nations reform. That is why they are what they are. The IMF hung Russia out to dry. People starved. And from their remains, emerged Vladimir Putin to restore their glory and dignity. Action and reaction.

Magnanimity pays off, and spite can carry with it horrific consequences in the future. One need only look at what created Adolf Hitler to understand this.

America is no safer today due to this shift in foreign policy. We have made more enemies and destabilized the world. To criticize this establishment is not to be anti-American. Do not conflate the two.

Our civilization is the greatest that has ever existed. But these people are squandering it all.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ts-2022-07-27/

Now google Kherson's total population.

Too bad Vova didn't listen to you before.

It's too bad our own foreign policy establishment didn't listen to wise men like Jack Matlock.

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Wholly irrelevant what some literally who said. Soviets fuked up the USSR project to a degree where after 45 years of retardation every single member/satellite state wanted to get as far away from them as possible. Then they had 30 years to become prosperous which by all means should have been the easiest thing ever because Europe. But of course they don't do that and instead the oligarchs and the retard in chief robbed the people blind.

Zelensky's ratings were in the chitter pre invasion, NATO and EU were fractured, all dumb monke man was supposed to do was not to attack, cry victim - since how dare the Westerners demonize poor innocent Russia again - and just keep twiddling his thumbs and keep pulling off soft power shenanigans.

But of course jingoistic retards gonna retard, the analysts just kept playing yes men while the leaders sold away what they didn't steal before, so now they've successfully pissed away the future of their country and their people.

Has China attacked you?

Their reeducation camp program was much more humane than our solution to Islamist terrorism.

You don't understand the economic complications. Which is again why you need to look at what Jeff Sachs said about it. And Russia was recovering economically. That's precisely why we provoked them. The plundering of Russia happened earlier after the collapse of the USSR policies, and it was in collusion with us. Putin stopped it. You don't understand Russia's history.

You're the one being a jingoistic retard. You've clearly spent zero time trying to understand post soviet Russia or the circumstances in Ukraine.

The stuff you say gets gradually more and more idiotic. Very entertaining lol.

wincel has multiple personality disorder

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Count the Muslims we killed in our wars and compare with the number killed by China. Then tell me who is inhumane. China's solution was logical and effective. Ours didn't even work. Theirs did. Islamist radicals do need to be deprogrammed. And China pulled it off. Boohoo about how it was a violation of human rights. They are better off now than if they were bombed out and dead.

I cozy up to dictators. I believe that is part of what it means to be diplomatic. If you can't accept other forms of government, you'll be fighting wars endlessly. No surprise that is what we do now. Liberalism in its current form is retarded and little more than a mask to excuse imperialist warmongering.

Your go to argument is always "but this person is bad". I don't care. I care about what minimizes the loss of human life. If Xi kills a few people here and there, but otherwise provides for a stable and relatively peaceful China, I think that is better than China consumed in a brutal civil war, unstable, and with millions dying. This is how I see the world. This is how good leaders must see it too. If you can't make this calculation, you will be weak and make poor decisions that leave everyone worse off. Real life isn't a Hollywood movie. The good guy destroying the city to catch the bad guy isn't worth it.

Taiwan is successful and has their own model. And I support them. But arming them and encouraging them to declare independence would be a terrible mistake that would invite retaliation from China.

"Ju..just wait for winter!!!!"

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https://www.theguardian.com/business...achs-eu-russia

You guys need to think carefully about foreign policy and just what the objectives truly are. Should America's foreign policy be to prevent wars, especially those between great or nuclear powers? Should it be to progress and develop humanity as a whole? Should it be to promote human rights and what we see as what are good and just laws? Should it be to defeat any and all threats to America? Is it to promote American prosperity? What about hegemony? What you prioritize and how you go about achieving those ends shapes very different conclusions about what is ethical and what is not. But I would argue that our current foreign policy is self defeating and undermining several or all of those goals by taking unacceptable risks.

All major parties to this war are worse off than they would have been if Minsk 2 were implemented. They refuse to admit it, but it is true.

Why did you delete the part where I was laughing at you because you claimed that China isn't imperialistic? Did you finally find that wikipedia tab about Belt and Road in Africa? Nice cherrypicking and whataboutism though, Mr "I'm against fascism".Putin didn't stop chit, he was a KGB paper pusher who somehow ended up in administration and then at the very top and reshuffled the cards and the oligarchs.

Nobody provoked Russia into becoming a horribly corrupt authoritarian mafia state.

Nobody provoked the Russians into making the handful of oligarchs some of the richest people on the planet while the rest were mostly left behind.

And absolutely nobody provoked them into launching their invasions. Also how the hell is Putin supposed to be some giga statesman who has been at the helm for over two decades while also being a hapless retard who could be baited into his military escapades?

I replied to that. Did you not see my post asking when China attacked you and how many foreign bases they have? I am against fascism. And so are China and Russia. To label former communists fascist is quite hilarious. Actually we did. And this is why you should actually read about what happened during the collapse of the USSR. Again, we did. Again, go listen to Jeff Sachs before running your mouth. Read about Yeltsin and what deals he and his buddies made. Go see how unfettered capitalism enriched the mob and destroyed Russia's way of life. Again, read anything about post USSR Russia and you will see why the public liked Putin and rallied behind him.

Again, we did. Go look at Stephen Walt, John Mearsheimer, Jack Matlock, or any other realist scholar's evaluation. He had no choice. He resisted the bait for 8 years and tried 29 times for peace. This was his only play. He was on a timer.

Oh btw u retard I didn't delete anything, that is how the forum quotes. It doesn't nest quotes. You quoted me, cuck.

I know this kind of stuff gets thrown around a lot online, but I’m being 100% serious. I know I rip on you, but that doesn’t mean I hate you or anything.

Seek help. Find someone to talk to, very preferably in person.

XterraRob will be along shortly to add fuel to the fire.. he wants you to hate China, he wants you to hate Russia... he wants you to hate everyone apart from the small hat crew

Having a different foreign policy view from Victoria Nuland and the Kagans doesn't make me mentally ill, evil, or stupid.

Asking these questions of yourself will reveal your ethical preferences and foreign policy view:Most do not think and simply blindly parrot back what they read from the news or are told by political leaders. Looking to politicians as a source of moral guidance is a sad thing imo.

It really has to do with basic questions of what is "good" and what your goals are for the world. I prioritize things like human development, peace, stability, science and technology, and some level of equality among people. That means I should advocate to help China and India, for starters, since they comprise much of humanity. I'm also forced to accept dictators and seek to work within their constraints to help improve the education and prosperity of their people, understanding that security may trump freedom for some. And commitment to peace also means seeking to avoid undue provocation and considering the security concerns of other nations. Where movements that seek to undermine the develoment, such as Islamism or fascism emerge, I must seek to oppose them.

Europe is buying Russian gas at jacked up prices from China and India because everyone they approached for help turned them down.

Their last ditch plan to buy electricity from Ukraine just went up in smoke with Ukraine's latest victory

LOL

No you didn't, you acted as if they didn't just fuking colonize Africa.Again, nobody cares about your literal whos.

Yeah-yeah, capitalism and the decadent West are responsible for everything, what a refreshing take. Boohoo, poor heroic Vova whose hands were forced. Did the US also provoke them into being retarded and incompetent?