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Thread: Official Russia vs Ukraine Thread V- The winter is coming: A tale of stupid sanctions

post 1667826343 09-13-2022, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Shut up red
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Originally Posted By vatn1k⏩
That's the thing about international relations. There is no higher power. You either have to fight or make peace with each other. It's a bunch of dudes stuck on an island, and some are bigger than others. You try to navigate the system and stay alive. It's a fuking jungle. Not every fight is winnable, and most of the time, injustice is par for the course. You simply have to try to forge alliances and be diplomatic. Provocative behavior, such as hypernationalism will get you killed.
Sounds like some weak, spineless cuck behavior to me.
If somebody takes my house at gunpoint, I'm just supposed to accept it and live on the street?

I'm going to go out, arm myself and find someone who can help me take my house back by force.
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Originally Posted By terrorgunt⏩
Lol those mod negs. Juicy.
Fuk you too crazy legs
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post 1667826433 09-13-2022, 07:27 PM
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I'm not saying it was a good thing memcop. I am saying this is what the ruthless people who take charge do. Most world leaders make these horrible decisions because they are obsessed with achieving certain ends. FDR wanted us in WW2. He thought it was for the greater good. And ofc the people under his command died as a result.
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Originally Posted By Kane_89⏩
Sounds like some weak, spineless cuck behavior to me.
If somebody takes my house at gunpoint, I'm just supposed to accept it and live on the street?

I'm going to go out arm myself and find someone who can help me take my house back by force.
That's exactly what he's saying. And he's right.

This is the equivalent of handing you and your family a bunch of sticks a day and you're getting mowed down at the sidewalk. Plenty of bigger guns in the back if you get more than a stick.
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post 1667826463 09-13-2022, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Brah.We could have still gone to war without loosing most of our fleet parked in the harbor or killing our Sailors who are still stuck in the bay.

It was not known and quite disrespectful
You could've gone to war in any situation, but would the public support have been even remotely similar? The idea about false flag attacks or allowing attacks to happen when you have the prior knowledge isn't just about thinking up a legit reason. It's about getting public support. Without getting into 9/11 conspiracies do you think the public support in the USA wouldn't even been remotely close for the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions without 9/11 hapening? Obviously not.

The USA could lay it's big balls on the table and have the military industrial complex take on any country in the world and win. I also don't think it's disrespectful to think some people in power are very willing to give up the lives of a few (hundred/thousand) regular soldiers or citizeens for their own benefit in the big picture. That's pretty much basic war games.
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Originally Posted By Kane_89⏩
Sounds like some weak, spineless cuck behavior to me.
If somebody takes my house at gunpoint, I'm just supposed to accept it and live on the street?

I'm going to go out, arm myself and find someone who can help me take my house back by force.
What would you have done if you were in charge of the UK and Hitler had nuclear weapons? It's a whole different situation to navigate. Thankfully, Putin is not Hitler.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
I'm not revising anything, you just happen to have omitted the diplomacy part ahead of the invasion. Right or wrong Russia had a perspective. Right or wrong Russia has a force that can decimate Ukraine.
ya i guess im forgetting the part where russia was left with no other choice than to invade ukraine lol... my bad bro...

and its not right or wrong, it wrong. there is no justification for this invasion, they were not under attack, there was zero threat of attack, their "perspective" is irrelevant.



if youre referring to nukes, we can speculate on that but i personally highly doubt any nuclear weapons will be used.
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
You could've gone to war in any situation, but would the public support have been even remotely similar? The idea about false flag attacks or allowing attacks to happen when you have the prior knowledge isn't just about thinking up a legit reason. It's about getting public support. Without getting into 9/11 conspiracies do you think the public support in the USA wouldn't even been remotely close for the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions without 9/11 hapening? Obviously not.

The USA could lay it's big balls on the table and have the military industrial complex take on any country in the world and win. I also don't think it's disrespectful to think some people in power are very willing to give up the lives of a few (hundred/thousand) regular soldiers or citizeens for their own benefit in the big picture. That's pretty much basic war games.
There is evidence FDR knew. It isn't ironclad though. But I do know he wanted us in WW2. At the very least, he took some steps to provoke Japan.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
ya i guess im forgetting the part where russia was left with no other choice than to invade ukraine lol... my bad bro...

and its not right or wrong, it wrong. there is no justification for this invasion, they were not under attack, there was zero threat of attack, their "perspective" is irrelevant.



if youre referring to nukes, we can speculate on that but i personally highly doubt any nuclear weapons will be used.
Nuclear use is unlikely but very possible, especially if Russia starts losing severely.
post 1667826873 09-13-2022, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
ya i guess im forgetting the part where russia was left with no other choice than to invade ukraine lol... my bad bro...

and its not right or wrong, it wrong. there is no justification for this invasion, they were not under attack, there was zero threat of attack, their "perspective" is irrelevant.



if youre referring to nukes, we can speculate on that but i personally highly doubt any nuclear weapons will be used.
No nuke even referenced.

You guys keep going back to this whole thing about fairness. These dudes are out here getting smoked without an end in sight while gambling the safety of even where you're at now, nuclear, economic, etc. For what? The same poverty dots on the map that can be negotiated?

There is no winning. There is no justice.
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Originally Posted By vatn1k⏩
Nuclear use is unlikely but very possible, especially if Russia starts losing severely.
history would disagree with you. any time since the inception of nuclear weapons that a smaller non-nuke country has been at war with a larger nuke country, no nukes have been used despite the larger country losing.

the US could have turned all of south east asia into a parking lot with ease, it didnt. russia could have leveled afghanistan and chechnya, it didnt.
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
Were several high ranking Egyptian officials on tape being interviewed admitting to it?

Honestly thought the advanced knowledge the USA had of the Pearl Harbour attacks were pretty much accepted knowledge like something like Operation Northwood is. It's ridiculous to claim a Pearl Harbor conspiracy is on the same level of some reptilian or flat earth type chit.
Uhhh what?? It is not accepted knowledge in the slightest. I've watched a lot of WW2 documentaries and read many articles about it, not one mentioned Pearl Harbor false flag. What was known was that tensions were rising between US and Japan and that there was increasing Japanese activity and military movement in the Pacific and with specific intel and decoding gathered that they suspected an attack could be imminent. I haven't seen anything before that proves the US actually knew when and where it would occur.

Also just logically it would make no sense to allow the majority of your fleet to be attacked and destroyed before entering a war against an enemy. That just makes zero sense tactically. I could understand MAYBE believing a false flag at the cost of one ship, but letting the enemy have the opportunity to destroy the majority of your fleet? That would be stupid and makes zero sense.
post 1667827013 09-13-2022, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted By vatn1k⏩
There is evidence FDR knew. It isn't ironclad though. But I do know he wanted us in WW2. At the very least, he took some steps to provoke Japan.
Honestly thought the whole Pearl Harbour thing was pretty much established knowledge and that it was widely accepted to be true. Kinda surprised I'm getting chit for mentioning it here.
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Uhhh what?? It is not accepted knowledge in the slightest. I've watched a lot of WW2 documentaries and read many articles about it, not one mentioned Pearl Harbor false flag. What was known was that tensions were rising between US and Japan and that there was increasing Japanese activity and military movement in the Pacific and with specific intel and decoding gathered that they suspected an attack could be imminent. I haven't seen anything before that proves the US actually knew when and where it would occur.

Also just logically it would make no sense to allow the majority of your fleet to be attacked and destroyed before entering a war against an enemy. That just makes zero sense tactically. I could understand MAYBE believing a false flag at the cost of one ship, but letting the enemy have the opportunity to destroy the majority of your fleet? That would be stupid and makes zero sense.
I've seen things about US military officers mentioning it to their superiors and being ignored. Also foreign intelligence tipping off the US that an aircraft carrier from Japan was being sent their way and them ignoring it. Congressional hearings and many more things. I'd never say these things either after just watching one random conspiracy video, only after absorbing knowledge from many sources over a large span of time.

There's many conspiracies I'm interested in but there's very few I'd make such a firm and convinced statement about.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Shut up red
You don't think FDR wanted us in the war or provoked Japan? I can find you lots of data about it. My memory is fuzzy.
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Originally Posted By Contribution05⏩
Uhhh what?? It is not accepted knowledge in the slightest. I've watched a lot of WW2 documentaries and read many articles about it, not one mentioned Pearl Harbor false flag. What was known was that tensions were rising between US and Japan and that there was increasing Japanese activity and military movement in the Pacific and with specific intel and decoding gathered that they suspected an attack could be imminent. I haven't seen anything before that proves the US actually knew when and where it would occur.

Also just logically it would make no sense to allow the majority of your fleet to be attacked and destroyed before entering a war against an enemy. That just makes zero sense tactically. I could understand MAYBE believing a false flag at the cost of one ship, but letting the enemy have the opportunity to destroy the majority of your fleet? That would be stupid and makes zero sense.
Not a false flag. But like we could have avoided it but chose not to.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
history would disagree with you. any time since the inception of nuclear weapons that a smaller non-nuke country has been at war with a larger nuke country, no nukes have been used despite the larger country losing.

the US could have turned all of south east asia into a parking lot with ease, it didnt. russia could have leveled afghanistan and chechnya, it didnt.
We have already seen one country calculate that it could use nuclear weapons to shutdown an otherwise brutal and prolonged war. The precedent is there. Ukraine is existential to Russia.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
history would disagree with you. any time since the inception of nuclear weapons that a smaller non-nuke country has been at war with a larger nuke country, no nukes have been used despite the larger country losing.

the US could have turned all of south east asia into a parking lot with ease, it didnt. russia could have leveled afghanistan and chechnya, it didnt.
Absolutely true.

Now, cover the one where NATO gave 100bn in materiel support. It's literally the absolute next step in Russian doctrine if they begin to loose to fire a low yield weapon, a non treaty violation.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Absolutely true.

Now, cover the one where NATO gave 100bn in materiel support. It's literally the absolute next step in Russian doctrine if they begin to loose to fire a low yield weapon, a non treaty violation.
how much soviet weaponry was provided to the north vietnamese and vietcong? why didnt the US declare war on the USSR? why didnt the US use low yield nukes in vietnam?

to be fair, the soviets were a bit more private about it than the US has been with ukraine but its the same situation.
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Originally Posted By vatn1k⏩
We have already seen one country calculate that it could use nuclear weapons to shutdown an otherwise brutal and prolonged war. The precedent is there. Ukraine is existential to Russia.
Ukraine isn't existential to Russia.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
how much soviet weaponry was provided to the north vietnamese and vietcong? why didnt the US declare war on the USSR? why didnt the US use low yield nukes in vietnam?

to be fair, the soviets were a bit more private about it than the US has been with ukraine but its the same situation.
Sure and we've done the same with blacked out budgets driven by the cia/spy services since our foundation. Same for Russia.

This is not comparable. This is new and stupidly consequential. Himars and publicly admitting real time intel will have some blow back. It's damaged them.
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Originally Posted By terrorgunt⏩
Ukraine isn't existential to Russia.
That's for Russia to decide. Tactically, it is. They need the Donbass as a geographical blocker against western moving threats.
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
Just watched a documentary last night on comparisons on Pearl Harbour and 9/11 btw. No way the USA was "forced" by Pearl Harbour they knew about it a week in advance at least and had planned months in advance to join the war. They allowed it to happen. it was the perfect excuse.
The US didn’t allow Pearl Harbor to happen

Cot damn you people spew chit on this forums, the Japanese got the upper hand hard on us. They had spies living in Hawaii documenting everything about that base

Thankfully enterprise didn’t make it back to port that morning and was held up by bad weather, the situation could have been even worse
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Sure and we've done the same with blacked out budgets driven by the cia/spy services since our foundation. Same for Russia.

This is not comparable. This is new and stupidly consequential. Himars and publicly admitting real time intel will have some blow back. It's damaged them.
It definitely is comparable. If you dont think so check again how many aircraft the US lost to soviet weapons being used by the north vietnamese.

And also keep in mind that was at the height of the cold war….
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
It definitely is comparable. If you dont think so check again how many aircraft the US lost to soviet weapons being used by the north vietnamese.

And also keep in mind that was at the height of the cold war….
I said very specifically two items of consequence that you quoted without acknowledging. We can debate money because that's what your stinger comment is regarding defensive arms. You could have even defended the himarsish
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Originally Posted By terrorgunt⏩
Random comment with 0 source. Then a stock photo. Ladies and gentlemen, Stizzel.

Sep 6:




Lmfao. Exposed again.
And yet Russia is still taking bakhmut

Looks like the muh offensive honeymoon is over already
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
And yet Russia is still taking bakhmut

Looks like the muh offensive honeymoon is over already
They are? Because you posted a statement and an unrelated pic from a completely different area?
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Originally Posted By GooBaaa⏩
The US didn’t allow Pearl Harbor to happen

Cot damn you people spew chit on this forums, the Japanese got the upper hand hard on us. They had spies living in Hawaii documenting everything about that base

Thankfully enterprise didn’t make it back to port that morning and was held up by bad weather, the situation could have been even worse
Here is an article about FDR's war ambitions and how he may have set the events in motion to bring us into the war.

https://sci-hub.se/https://www.jstor...table/40784564
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
Honestly thought the whole Pearl Harbour thing was pretty much established knowledge and that it was widely accepted to be true. Kinda surprised I'm getting chit for mentioning it here.



I've seen things about US military officers mentioning it to their superiors and being ignored. Also foreign intelligence tipping off the US that an aircraft carrier from Japan was being sent their way and them ignoring it. Congressional hearings and many more things. I'd never say these things either after just watching one random conspiracy video, only after absorbing knowledge from many sources over a large span of time.

There's many conspiracies I'm interested in but there's very few I'd make such a firm and convinced statement about.
Okay, so they knew an Aircraft carrier was heading their direction, that doesn't mean they know it's arrival time or where it's going to specifically attack or if it was even going to attack for certain, the Pacific ocean is rather large area to have to search for a few ships.

Again, Generals ignoring intel from subordinates does not prove the US intentionally let it happen. The Superior ranking officers may have not believed the intel was accurate or verified? Or maybe just poor leadership in general. Mistakes are made all the time in war even when accurate intel was available because mistakes are still made. None of what you stated would prove intentionally allowing the pacific fleet getting bombed.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
No nuke even referenced.

You guys keep going back to this whole thing about fairness. These dudes are out here getting smoked without an end in sight while gambling the safety of even where you're at now, nuclear, economic, etc. For what? The same poverty dots on the map that can be negotiated?

There is no winning. There is no justice.
Gambling the safety? We all gamble our safety every day we wake up. The fact you are mad that we have supported Ukraine, and they are now winning, speaks volumes about what we as Americans can do. Just a month ago you were talking about how Russia was walking unmolested in Ukraine and now here we are on the brink of Russia literally losing the war and you make idiotic post like this?

You were in the military/LE and you saythere is no winning. There is no justiceHow pathetic and skewed life you must live.
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