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Originally Posted By Phil9⏩
I'm not into dudes Philtard, and it's kind of creepy you keep stalking me like this. Stick to goats. They are closer to your cognitive ability anyway.I remember when you were claiming Russia was going to run through Ukraine and it’ll be over soon. Now you are down to celebrating Russia barely being able to hold onto minimal gains that took more than half a year to obtain. While one of Putin’s main allies is even pointing out the absurdity of Russia’s military being there. You are one sad obese pale dummy.
09-16-2022, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted By Phil9⏩
Iraq and Afghanistan will embrace freedom, and be partners in the march towards Democracy!I remember when you were claiming Russia was going to run through Ukraine and it’ll be over soon. Now you are down to celebrating Russia barely being able to hold onto minimal gains that took more than half a year to obtain. While one of Putin’s main allies is even pointing out the absurdity of Russia’s military being there. You are one sad obese pale dummy.
Remember the Ghost of Kyiv! Remember Miss Ukraine Sniper! Remember old man with shotgun shots down Mig!
How much American taxpayer money is Zelensky paying you to post here?
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09-16-2022, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted By Phil9⏩
its okay, even I was sitting in a basement under flying air bombs, thinking that we would be crushed in a week.I remember when you were claiming Russia was going to run through Ukraine and it’ll be over soon.
Originally Posted By yabbayabba⏩
This is not LOTR, where each episode is on TV once a week. In fact, everything right there is very dynamic, slow and unpredictable.So I guess the counter offensive has stalled out again? Couple days ago everybody was jerking each other off that Ukraine was going to completely destroy Russia and now we are back to the Wagner guy to deflect from all the Nazis in Ukraine again for the fourth or fifth time and the Russian man bad cope.
09-16-2022, 05:44 PM
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Kazakhstan announces it will withdraw from the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), Russian version of NATO consisting of former Soviet states established in 1992: Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan
meanwhile also ...
Kyrgyzstan-Tajikistan conflict escalating with cross border attacks
Armenia at war
Belarussian partisans are training in a non-Belarus country to go back to Belarus and depose Lukashenko
Georgia is preparing to retake South Ossetia and Abkhazia
Kazakhstan says no more to the CTSO
Putins says pls can haz artillery shells to Zimbabwe and North Korea
Chechnyans are sharpening their spears for Kadyrov and his men
Russian mil members fighting in Ukraine are disgruntled and dyin to go back to Russia
Wagner is recruiting heavily from imprisoned Russians(confirmed)
2,000 companies have left Russia
Top Men of various Russian companies being offed, and sometimes with their whole immediate family
Russians being imprisoned for calling it a war
and a whole lot more crap
and in Russia soon ... stay tuned because Vicky was seen buying cookies in Moscow
Putin's failing so badly it's got to be intentional
It all makes sense now: Putin is a controlled opposition agent working against the Russian powers that be, and with Zelensky and the Western powers.
He after all was raised up into power while walking hand in hand with Kissinger since the early 90's and his days in Saint Petersburg local government
meanwhile also ...
Kyrgyzstan-Tajikistan conflict escalating with cross border attacks
Armenia at war
Belarussian partisans are training in a non-Belarus country to go back to Belarus and depose Lukashenko
Georgia is preparing to retake South Ossetia and Abkhazia
Kazakhstan says no more to the CTSO
Putins says pls can haz artillery shells to Zimbabwe and North Korea
Chechnyans are sharpening their spears for Kadyrov and his men
Russian mil members fighting in Ukraine are disgruntled and dyin to go back to Russia
Wagner is recruiting heavily from imprisoned Russians(confirmed)
2,000 companies have left Russia
Top Men of various Russian companies being offed, and sometimes with their whole immediate family
Russians being imprisoned for calling it a war
and a whole lot more crap
and in Russia soon ... stay tuned because Vicky was seen buying cookies in Moscow
Putin's failing so badly it's got to be intentional
It all makes sense now: Putin is a controlled opposition agent working against the Russian powers that be, and with Zelensky and the Western powers.
He after all was raised up into power while walking hand in hand with Kissinger since the early 90's and his days in Saint Petersburg local government
09-16-2022, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted By yabbayabba⏩
Russia had to bring in semis to cart out all the ukrainian corpsesSo I guess the counter offensive has stalled out again? Couple days ago everybody was jerking each other off that Ukraine was going to completely destroy Russia and now we are back to the Wagner guy to deflect from all the Nazis in Ukraine again for the fourth or fifth time and the Russian man bad cope.
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09-16-2022, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
not the first time something like this might have happened. I mean this guyWait, that would mean he launched this war killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians on behalf of the West, which would mean those of skeptics are RIGHT that this war was instigated by the US, NATO and Europe.
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influtrated this guy's
army and caused a lot of infighting among the ranks.So if that could happen, who is say that the US didn't plant a CIA operative into the KGB, so that one day he would rise to the ranks of President of Russia... anything is possible. :P
09-16-2022, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
Complete disregard for others positions. Anti Russia Anti fruitless war endangering much more than the future population of Ukraine for many generations.Being anti russian aggression =/= pro war
No one but russia and putin loving miscers wanted them to invade ukraine.
Also, it isnt 30% of republicans that agree with russian sanctions and aid to ukraine. Last time i checked virtuallg every politician in your country agrees whether democrat or republican.
Thats been true in canada as well, first time in a long time both conservatives and liberals agree on something. Thanks putin for the unity.
No one but russia and putin loving miscers wanted them to invade ukraine.
Also, it isnt 30% of republicans that agree with russian sanctions and aid to ukraine. Last time i checked virtuallg every politician in your country agrees whether democrat or republican.
Thats been true in canada as well, first time in a long time both conservatives and liberals agree on something. Thanks putin for the unity.
Our involvement is reckless. Pro America. Pro life.
If honest with yourself when this is all over you'll be ashamed of for being a part of it. You are being lied to. If things stay on current track, the kill ratio will drastically increase well above 10:1 into multiple hundreds of thousands. It's got to be getting so bad that it's hard to not release the information which is why I think Milley and the CIA Director both came out briefly on record to reference later. You're encouraging an impossible act. In the end what can you live with? 20k to 300k? 30k to 500k?
Milley: "Tens of thousands" of Ukrainian kia 9/8/22
-inference cap <199,999 KIA Ukrainian Soldiers
Burns: ""Estimates 15000" Russians killed 8/10/22
-No more than 15k russian kia
It is not patriotic nor honorable to fight if the numbers are what I think they are and they certainly won't release them.
*4k recorded Russian blamed civilian deaths
Eta: we'll see if midterms influence information release post election. Not sure if defense is strong enough to hold on a party change and gamble on a stray MTG to Milley question. They may budge first ahead of it.
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09-16-2022, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
I agree that you talk one way. You have been copying and pasting whatever positive -military aspect you can find from the Ukrainians which is far between.It’s like I’ve been trying to emphasize for a long time, especially to memcop but to anyone focusing so much on just the military aspect - the outcome of conflicts like this are determined not by military capabilities alone but also heavily by political (both domestic and international), economic, and social factors in addition to just the military.
Post up your KIA estimates.
Post up your economic outlook for Europe.
Russians are minimalists with current ability to redirect energy sales and trade. When we actually cut them off and begin to drastically export energy and drive the fuel prices down, then we can start to lol Russia. Like always you only have half ass commitment.
Isolating Russia drives them to China which may be a far greater mistake than a pop-culture kinetic war we're promoting. Our role as a super power was to broker peace and stabilize the region to our benefit. Weakening Europe will breed resentment.
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09-16-2022, 07:03 PM
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09-16-2022, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Fukking this. Exactly. Our job is to keep the peace and try to move the pieces of the game to make peace more likely and acceptable for all parties. Sometimes, that can mean arming people. But in Ukraine's case, our doing so actually provoked the worst possible outcome.I agree that you talk one way. You have been copying and pasting whatever positive -military aspect you can find from the Ukrainians which is far between.
Post up your KIA estimates.
Post up your economic outlook for Europe.
Russians are minimalists with current ability to redirect energy sales and trade. When we actually cut them off and begin to drastically export energy and drive the fuel prices down, then we can start to lol Russia. Like always you only have half ass commitment.
Isolating Russia drives them to China which may be a far greater mistake than a pop-culture kinetic war we're promoting.Weakening Europe will breed resentment.
Post up your KIA estimates.
Post up your economic outlook for Europe.
Russians are minimalists with current ability to redirect energy sales and trade. When we actually cut them off and begin to drastically export energy and drive the fuel prices down, then we can start to lol Russia. Like always you only have half ass commitment.
Isolating Russia drives them to China which may be a far greater mistake than a pop-culture kinetic war we're promoting.Weakening Europe will breed resentment.
09-16-2022, 07:23 PM
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09-16-2022, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Not only that but there is a pro America, pro Russia, pro Ukraine outcome. Everyone would benefit from the war being settled. It would logically beat the tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands dead, the nearly 1 trillion in infrastructure damage and the potential for nuclear war. And ofc for Americans, we think we want to destroy Russia, but really, it's better to rebuild the economy and have peace and security in Ukraine and normalized relations with Russia. IDK what a settlement would look like now, but there has to exist some kind of settlement that gives each side a bit of what they want, but not everything. There is probably a "most equitable" agreement here. The question is really will either side budge?Complete disregard for others positions. Anti Russia Anti fruitless war endangering much more than the future population of Ukraine for many generations.
Our involvement is reckless. Pro America. Pro life.
If honest with yourself when this is all over you'll be ashamed of for being a part of it. You are being lied to. If things stay on current track, the kill ratio will drastically increase well above 10:1 into multiple hundreds of thousands. It's got to be getting so bad that it's hard to not release the information which is why I think Milley and the CIA Director both came out briefly on record to reference later. You're encouraging an impossible act. In the end what can you live with? 20k to 300k? 30k to 500k?
Milley: "Tens of thousands" of Ukrainian kia 9/8/22
-inference cap <199,999 KIA Ukrainian Soldiers
Burns: ""Estimates 15000" Russians killed 8/10/22
-No more than 15k russian kia
It is not patriotic nor honorable to fight if the numbers are what I think they are and they certainly won't release them.
*4k recorded Russian blamed civilian deaths
Eta: we'll see if midterms influence information release post election. Not sure if defense is strong enough to hold on a party change and gamble on a stray MTG to Milley question. They may budge first ahead of it.
Our involvement is reckless. Pro America. Pro life.
If honest with yourself when this is all over you'll be ashamed of for being a part of it. You are being lied to. If things stay on current track, the kill ratio will drastically increase well above 10:1 into multiple hundreds of thousands. It's got to be getting so bad that it's hard to not release the information which is why I think Milley and the CIA Director both came out briefly on record to reference later. You're encouraging an impossible act. In the end what can you live with? 20k to 300k? 30k to 500k?
Milley: "Tens of thousands" of Ukrainian kia 9/8/22
-inference cap <199,999 KIA Ukrainian Soldiers
Burns: ""Estimates 15000" Russians killed 8/10/22
-No more than 15k russian kia
It is not patriotic nor honorable to fight if the numbers are what I think they are and they certainly won't release them.
*4k recorded Russian blamed civilian deaths
Eta: we'll see if midterms influence information release post election. Not sure if defense is strong enough to hold on a party change and gamble on a stray MTG to Milley question. They may budge first ahead of it.
09-16-2022, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
We could have emboldened Ukraine to attack Crimea, and also, hostile neonazis on Russia's border could feel emboldened if backed by NATO to carry out terrorist attacks. NATO could just sit there, isolating Russia and watching its economy fall apart.Was NATO going to invade Russia?
Yes or no.
Yes or no.
09-16-2022, 07:32 PM
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09-16-2022, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
Russia has to be able to threaten their neighbors with invasion otherwise NATO is threatening Russia.
Vatnik think 101.
Vatnik think 101.
Originally Posted By Phil9⏩
First of all, India is not an ally of Russia. They are partners. India has no permanent alliances. Second, while Modi does not condone the war, he will not turn on Russia for obvious reasons if you understand Russia and India's relationship. We should not pull this "with us or against us" crap on India or China because they will just tell us to fuk off.The manlet is getting ethered by his own allies now lol.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-all...153917120.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-all...153917120.html
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
The surge will fix all our problems in Iraq“Vladimir Putin says Russia will do everything it can to bring the Ukraine war to an end "as soon as possible", despite the direction of the conflict swinging against his military in recent days”
Mmmm how about fuking leaving ukraine?
Mmmm how about fuking leaving ukraine?
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09-16-2022, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
Russia has to be able to threaten their neighbors with invasion otherwise NATO is threatening Russia.
Vatnik think 101.
Vatnik think 101.
Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
Putin isn't trying to nation build. He wants to hold the pro-Russian territories of Ukraine. Anything more, and he is a fuking idiot who will have his work cut out for him. We have trained Ukraine on insurgency.The surge will fix all our problems in Iraq
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
No. There is most likely a surrender option left. Russia will dictate the terms at this point.Not only that but there is a pro America, pro Russia, pro Ukraine outcome. Everyone would benefit from the war being settled. It would logically beat the tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands dead, the nearly 1 trillion in infrastructure damage and the potential for nuclear war. And ofc for Americans, we think we want to destroy Russia, but really, it's better to rebuild the economy and have peace and security in Ukraine and normalized relations with Russia. IDK what a settlement would look like now, but there has to exist some kind of settlement that gives each side a bit of what they want, but not everything. There is probably a "most equitable" agreement here. The question is really will either side budge?
Whatever this is, its tactically becoming more clear. I had assumptions. I've learned to just keep it limited at this point.
What is the number before moving on to another objective? Who knows? The concept of a war of "attrition" was foolish to me as Ukraine cannot battle in such a manner. Russia shaped the battlefield and its rather permanent for the time being.
Ukrain can surrender or grind away to artillery if the counteroffensive surge pitters out and doesn't break a protected line.
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
Lmao if you actually believe the US was nation building in either.Putin isn't trying to nation build. He wants to hold the pro-Russian territories of Ukraine. Anything more, and he is a fuking idiot who will have his work cut out for him. We have trained Ukraine on insurgency.
I spent the last 20 years bouncing back and forth between both, and not from a micro grunt level. There was NEVER any intention of nation building outside of the press releases.
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09-16-2022, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
The thing is like Odessa, for example, is existential to Ukraine. If Putin goes after that, there won't be any settlement. Ukraine needs its sea access too. There is also a lot of valuable land in the Donbass. There has to be a compromise. I mean there certainly exists one. There is a hypothetical line drawn in the blood of every potential dead person. But can either side see that line and agree on it to skip the killing? That's the question.No. There is most likely a surrender option left. Russia will dictate the terms at this point.
Whatever this is, its tactically becoming more clear. I had assumptions. I've learned to just keep it limited at this point.
What is the number before moving on to another objective? Who knows? The concept of a war of "attrition" was foolish to me as Ukraine cannot battle in such a manner. Russia shaped the battlefield and its rather permanent for the time being.
Ukrain can surrender or grind away to artillery if the counteroffensive surge pitters out and doesn't break a protected line.
Whatever this is, its tactically becoming more clear. I had assumptions. I've learned to just keep it limited at this point.
What is the number before moving on to another objective? Who knows? The concept of a war of "attrition" was foolish to me as Ukraine cannot battle in such a manner. Russia shaped the battlefield and its rather permanent for the time being.
Ukrain can surrender or grind away to artillery if the counteroffensive surge pitters out and doesn't break a protected line.
09-16-2022, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
this dude actually knows his stuff.First of all, India is not an ally of Russia. They are partners. India has no permanent alliances. Second, while Modi does not condone the war, he will not turn on Russia for obvious reasons if you understand Russia and India's relationship. We should not pull this "with us or against us" crap on India or China because they will just tell us to fuk off.
09-16-2022, 07:51 PM
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09-16-2022, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
IDK I mean that is just their official line. I can't imagine why we'd want the regions to be that unstable though. It would be better to have puppet democracies there than what we ended up getting. We just failed to make that happen because bringing liberal democracy to the Middle East is a joke.Lmao if you actually believe the US was nation building in either.
I spent the last 20 years bouncing back and forth between both, and not from a micro grunt level. There was NEVER any intention of nation building outside of the press releases.
I spent the last 20 years bouncing back and forth between both, and not from a micro grunt level. There was NEVER any intention of nation building outside of the press releases.
09-16-2022, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
We were arming them, and Poroshenko even said something along the lines of how they were biding time and never intended to implement Minsk 2. I can find the reference.Prove it.
So google isn't making this easy to find a non Russian source, but we have this:
https://tfiglobalnews.com/2022/06/20...o-russia-move/
They cite a DW interview and a Radio Free Europe interview.
Poroshenko stated, “We had achieved everything we wanted, Our goal was to, first, stop the threat, or at least to delay the war – to secure eight years to restore economic growth and create powerful armed forces.”
We'd need to find the primary interview to corroborate it. The implication from Russia's pov is that there was an intent to build up military forces and eventually resume the war.
Also, if we just ignore the media and look at direct statements by leaders, Zelensky refused to acknowledge and negotiate with the autonomous regions and publicly made statements about eventually retaking Crimea. So that gives some credibility to the claims.
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
I've always been of the mind that Putin does not want to destroy anything precious to the Russian culture to include Kiev and Odessa. I was of the impression that Odessa may be taken to expand leverage. Then again that's a street to street fight after the new infrastructure is bypassed. It'd have to be a Russian strike force we haven't seen since they don't have infantry as I don't see the allowing Wagner or Chechens stepping foot in combat there.The thing is like Odessa, for example, is existential to Ukraine. If Putin goes after that, there won't be any settlement. Ukraine needs its sea access too. There is also a lot of valuable land in the Donbass. There has to be a compromise. I mean there certainly exists one. There is a hypothetical line drawn in the blood of every potential dead person. But can either side see that line and agree on it to skip the killing? That's the question.
I made a prediction regarding the outlay of the battlefield at the time. I think Ukraine messed up by splitting that offensive and not focusing it on Kherson.
Anyone remember the choice I said it looked like Ukraine had to make regarding Odessa/Kharkiv?
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
I thought you were claiming (as I've seen) Azov was about to imminently strike the Donbas and escalate past the separatists lines.We were arming them, and Poroshenko even said something along the lines of how they were biding time and never intended to implement Minsk 2. I can find the reference.
So google isn't making this easy to find a non Russian source, but we have this:
https://tfiglobalnews.com/2022/06/20...o-russia-move/
They cite a DW interview and a Radio Free Europe interview.
Poroshenko stated, “We had achieved everything we wanted, Our goal was to, first, stop the threat, or at least to delay the war – to secure eight years to restore economic growth and create powerful armed forces.”
We'd need to find the primary interview to corroborate it.
So google isn't making this easy to find a non Russian source, but we have this:
https://tfiglobalnews.com/2022/06/20...o-russia-move/
They cite a DW interview and a Radio Free Europe interview.
Poroshenko stated, “We had achieved everything we wanted, Our goal was to, first, stop the threat, or at least to delay the war – to secure eight years to restore economic growth and create powerful armed forces.”
We'd need to find the primary interview to corroborate it.
I've seen no proof
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09-16-2022, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
No not imminent. I meant Ukraine was planning long term to try to retake their lost land. So Putin was basically on a timer. There is no evidence of any imminent strike afaik, but there was some troop buildup or at least allegedly. IDK if we corroborated it.I thought you were claiming (as I've seen) Azov was about to imminently strike the Donbas and escalate past the separatists lines.
I've seen no proof
I've seen no proof
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ne-2021-12-01/
This was actually after Russia already moved some troops. So Ukraine was responding.
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
Are you literally retarded? We had a stable Iraq, who killed more Islamic terrorists under our tacit alliance with them, than we ever have.IDK I mean that is just their official line. I can't imagine why we'd want the regions to be that unstable though. It would be better to have puppet democracies there than what we ended up getting. We just failed to make that happen because bringing liberal democracy to the Middle East is a joke.
But they made Daddy and Baby Bush look bad, because Daddy cut a deal with the Saudis and Kuwaits, and then they started stealing Iraqi oil through slant drilling, and we can't have no New England rich boys pretending to be down home Texas cattle ranchers look bad now can we?
Afghanistan wasn't even on the ****ing radar, at least officially, because Saint Reagan armed what was to become Al Queda, to intentionally de stabilize Central Asia.
Hillary and Obama intentionally de stabilized Syria and North Africa. With Basir al Assad and Qadaffi being strongmen, like Saddam, who kept the freaks in check.
Just out of sheer curiosity, how old are you? Because this is like basic ****ing knowledge for anyone over 30 or non NeoCon.
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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