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Thread: Official Russia vs Ukraine Thread V- The winter is coming: A tale of stupid sanctions

post 1667999083 09-16-2022, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
Are you literally retarded? We had a stable Iraq, who killed more Islamic terrorists under our tacit alliance with them, than we ever have.

But they made Daddy and Baby Bush look bad, and we can't have no New England rich boys pretending to be down home Texas cattle ranchers look bad now can we?

Afghanistan wasn't even on the ****ing radar, at least officially, because Saint Reagan armed what was to become Al Queda, to intentionally de stabilize Central Asia.

Hillary and Obama intentionally de stabilized Syria and North Africa. With Basir al Assad and Qadaffi being strongmen, like Saddam, who kept the freaks in check.


Just out of sheer curiosity, how old are you? Because this is like basic ****ing knowledge for anyone over 30 or non NeoCon.
You're doing that Twitter thing where you misread my intentions and then react with outrage. I can assure no one hates PNAC more than me. But I believe PNAC's motivations were regime change, not destabilization. They just failed at it. We spent way too long in Iraq and Afghanistan for nation building to have not been a goal.

Syria was intentionally destabilized, and there is evidence of that from Kerry's leaked call. Ditto for Libya.
post 1668000683 09-16-2022, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
You're doing that Twitter thing where you misread my intentions and then react with outrage. I can assure no one hates PNAC more than me. But I believe PNAC's motivations were regime change, not destabilization. They just failed at it. We spent way too long in Iraq and Afghanistan for nation building to have not been a goal.

Syria was intentionally destabilized, and there is evidence of that from Kerry's leaked call. Ditto for Libya.
You hate PNAC, but believe that what they fed you was true?


Lol...ok.
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post 1668000843 09-16-2022, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
You hate PNAC, but believe that what they fed you was true?


Lol...ok.
No. I believe we stayed in Iraq and Afghanistan to nation build. We had a military victory far earlier. We stuck around and tried to build institutions. They failed.
post 1668001013 09-16-2022, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
No. I believe we stayed in Iraq and Afghanistan to nation build. We had a military victory far earlier. We stuck around and tried to build institutions. They failed.
Please explain to us how bleeding men and treasure for 20 years, then pulling out with tail tucked, is a military victory?

You probably believe Vietnam was a win also, don't you?

And nation building was never the intention. How much time did you spend in either country? Role?
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post 1668001413 09-16-2022, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
Please explain to us how bleeding men and treasure for 20 years, then pulling out with tail tucked, is a military victory?

You probably believe Vietnam was a win also, don't you?

And nation building was never the intention. How much time did you spend in either country? Role?
Not what I meant. Again, you're doing the twitter thing. Stop. I'm saying military victory as in toppling the government. We achieved that objective rapidly. We stayed to try to nation build. And no, I don't support either war. If you read any of my comments in the past, you'd know this.

No. Dude don't project your chit on me.

Nation building had to be the intention because why else would we stay for that long? We spent billions trying to build institutions there and form new govts.
post 1668002673 09-16-2022, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
Not what I meant. Again, you're doing the twitter thing. Stop. I'm saying military victory as in toppling the government. We achieved that objective rapidly. We stayed to try to nation build. And no, I don't support either war. If you read any of my comments in the past, you'd know this.

No. Dude don't project your chit on me.

Nation building had to be the intention because why else would we stay for that long? We spent billions trying to build institutions there and form new govts.
We spent billions shuffling money around to defense contractors. Zero interest in nation building.

You actually think there was a legit, concerted effort in building up institutions in Iraq or Afghanistan, when 90% of the officials we "trained" and gave money to socked it away for their own purpose, and 100% of the police and military we trained couldn't plan a ****ing panty raid?

Wake up.

This will absolutely happen again in Ukraine. Zelensky and his closest advisors will be shuttled off to Switzerland or ***** right before it all falls apart.
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post 1668006113 09-16-2022, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
We spent billions shuffling money around to defense contractors. Zero interest in nation building.

You actually think there was a legit, concerted effort in building up institutions in Iraq or Afghanistan, when 90% of the officials we "trained" and gave money to socked it away for their own purpose, and 100% of the police and military we trained couldn't plan a ****ing panty raid?

Wake up.

This will absolutely happen again in Ukraine. Zelensky and his closest advisors will be shuttled off to Switzerland or ***** right before it all falls apart.
All of that is true. There was a ton of corruption. But yes, we did try to establish a government, schools, etc. But it failed.
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Originally Posted By Hussar1⏩
We spent billions shuffling money around to defense contractors. Zero interest in nation building.

You actually think there was a legit, concerted effort in building up institutions in Iraq or Afghanistan, when 90% of the officials we "trained" and gave money to socked it away for their own purpose, and 100% of the police and military we trained couldn't plan a ****ing panty raid?

Wake up.

This will absolutely happen again in Ukraine. Zelensky and his closest advisors will be shuttled off to Switzerland or ***** right before it all falls apart.
Israel. Im sure you mean to say Israel.
Joe Biden (and family) are incestuous paed's..

Epstein dint kill himself....

Mcafee didnt uninstall himself.....

WEF/GLOBLISM is a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION......
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Everyone's real quiet now about that offensive...
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
I agree that you talk one way. You have been copying and pasting whatever positive -military aspect you can find from the Ukrainians which is far between.

Post up your KIA estimates.
Post up your economic outlook for Europe.

Russians are minimalists with current ability to redirect energy sales and trade. When we actually cut them off and begin to drastically export energy and drive the fuel prices down, then we can start to lol Russia. Like always you only have half ass commitment.

Isolating Russia drives them to China which may be a far greater mistake than a pop-culture kinetic war we're promoting. Our role as a super power was to broker peace and stabilize the region to our benefit. Weakening Europe will breed resentment.
The Blue Falcon Russian continues to post.

Fraud.

Waiting for my ban, pus5y.
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post 1668011533 09-17-2022, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
No. There is most likely a surrender option left. Russia will dictate the terms at this point.

Whatever this is, its tactically becoming more clear. I had assumptions. I've learned to just keep it limited at this point.

What is the number before moving on to another objective? Who knows? The concept of a war of "attrition" was foolish to me as Ukraine cannot battle in such a manner. Russia shaped the battlefield and its rather permanent for the time being.

Ukrain can surrender or grind away to artillery if the counteroffensive surge pitters out and doesn't break a protected line.
Watching this Soldier of Fortune magazine reading Steven Seagal level fraud wax on for 7 months has been hilarious.

Memcop has never served a single day in any US armed force nor civilian role. Memcop is the definition of stolen valor misc fraud and should fukking jump off the nearest bridge with a suicide vest attached and activated. I hope he and his entire family die of horrible cancers. Dude says he 'joined' in 1999 and then ' trained decades of leaders'.

Totally a person who would vatnik on Misc.
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post 1668011553 09-17-2022, 02:36 AM
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Russia is losing bad. Vatniks still coping.
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Originally Posted By SlavaUkrain⏩
Russia is losing bad. Vatniks still coping.
Hence memecope.

Dude is the most tard mod on misc and that's saying something. Memecope is 100% Russian. He isn't worth a bucket of piss from a hooker's squirt.
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post 1668011853 09-17-2022, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted By terrorgunt⏩
Watching this Soldier of Fortune magazine reading Steven Seagal level fraud wax on for 7 months has been hilarious.

Memcop has never served a single day in any US armed force nor civilian role. Memcop is the definition of stolen valor misc fraud and should fukking jump off the nearest bridge with a suicide vest attached and activated. I hope he and his entire family die of horrible cancers. Dude says he 'joined' in 1999 and then ' trained decades of leaders'.

Totally a person who would vatnik on Misc.
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post 1668012343 09-17-2022, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
sum1ismadlul
Quite rich from an autistic mongoloid who constantly types up walls of his inane ramblings while seething with impotent rage.

You have literally made over 2k posts in less than a month, winnie.
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All Russian crimes in Ukraine must be investigated and the perpetrators of torture and other war crimes executed. Justice will prevail. Vatniks will be thrown to the outskirts of society.
post 1668013693 09-17-2022, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
Everyone's real quiet now about that offensive...
These guys dont understand war. They thought it would be soem quick victory.

Western forces aim for quick victories because they have a low tolerance for man losses.

This war will be long and grindign and Russia is the favourite to win.

My prediction is that the Europeans will get war weary and stop aiding the Ukrainians in the next year and the Russians will take over in a significant way.

America may be in for the long haul, but uit wont matter.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
I've always been of the mind that Putin does not want to destroy anything precious to the Russian culture to include Kiev and Odessa. I was of the impression that Odessa may be taken to expand leverage. Then again that's a street to street fight after the new infrastructure is bypassed. It'd have to be a Russian strike force we haven't seen since they don't have infantry as I don't see the allowing Wagner or Chechens stepping foot in combat there.

I made a prediction regarding the outlay of the battlefield at the time. I think Ukraine messed up by splitting that offensive and not focusing it on Kherson.

Anyone remember the choice I said it looked like Ukraine had to make regarding Odessa/Kharkiv?
]The Russians can just encircle cities, cut them off and then have amnestys....

this will reduce fighters by upto 95%. The remaining forces will be a walk over.

You don't have to street fight to take a city.
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Originally Posted By merlen90⏩
it's all about sanctions imposed by the most developed countries of the world, which have very complex mechanisms of action.
Even China cannot directly import microchips into Iran, as it will get sanctions in return and all local companies that produce microchips will lose rich customers and simply go bankrupt in the global market.
Only parallel imports through very complicated schemes or smuggling are possible here.

For example, Russia, because of the unleashed war and later sanctions, can no longer produce Kalibr and Iskander missiles, the "ka52" attack helicopters, as well as its newest tank "Vladimir t90", etc

The U.S. either produces chips locally or imports them from South Korea and Taiwan
That's not how it works. As soon as a company is non-American sanctions no longer work. The reaosn why is because many nations wonder if they'll be next.

So perhaps Americans can shut down certain imports, but when China is acting in a neutral manner it really wont matter.

Americans buy Chinese tech and so can Iran.

China will overtake the USA in every sphere and Iran is a partner with them. Iran can just wait; as US influence wanes and Chinese technological superiority grows, they will transform their abilities.

Even now you see Chiense investment in Iran means that Iran is overtaking the US in some spheres.

I visited the US and honestly it looks run down.
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
The thing is like Odessa, for example, is existential to Ukraine. If Putin goes after that, there won't be any settlement.
There wont be any settlement in any case.

Ukraine has no future. In order for Ukraine to win it needs to Conquer Vladivostok and Kamchatka, which means they need to advance around 10 thousand kilometers. I don't need to tell you how crazy is that, considering that Russia can go nuclear any time.

For Russia to win, then need to conquer Lvov, Lutsk and Uzhgorod which are around thousand km from front line., but Russia does not have to go thousand kilometars trough ukrainian lines, it can go trought Belorussia, Pridnestrovie, and Moldavia. Pridnestrovie and Belorussia are allies of Russia, and Moldova has a nazi regime but no military, Russia can storm Moldavia in a day and jail nazi Sandu and release Dodon from prison and put him in power.
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post 1668014423 09-17-2022, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
Quite rich from an autistic mongoloid who constantly types up walls of his inane ramblings while seething with impotent rage.

You have literally made over 2k posts in less than a month, winnie.
You're the one clutching your pearls and freaking out and resorting to ad hominems simply because I, like many other Americans, do not want to fund this war. It's a giant waste of money, and I dislike nazis. Sanctioning Russia hurt our economy and achieved nothing. I will be supporting Donald Trump next election since he has publicly said he wishes Zelensky made the deal and that he wants the fighting to stop.

2k posts in a month is also nothing for me.
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Originally Posted By PimpinisEasy⏩
These guys dont understand war. They thought it would be soem quick victory.

Western forces aim for quick victories because they have a low tolerance for man losses.

This war will be long and grindign and Russia is the favourite to win.

My prediction is that the Europeans will get war weary and stop aiding the Ukrainians in the next year and the Russians will take over in a significant way.

America may be in for the long haul, but uit wont matter.
They are NPC's

Ukraine won a battle by letting tens of thousands get killed/wounded in a diversion and then took that land when the russians left. Its an amazing PR/morale win but it did very little to impede or weaken the Russian force.

The jury is out as to whether these people are trolls or just really stupid but as we can see when the ukrainians reach the actual russian military they take huge losses and then usually end up retreating
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
You're the one clutching your pearls and freaking out and resorting to ad hominems simply because I, like many other Americans, do not want to fund this war. It's a giant waste of money, and I dislike nazis. Sanctioning Russia hurt our economy and achieved nothing. I will be supporting Donald Trump next election since he has publicly said he wishes Zelensky made the deal and that he wants the fighting to stop.

2k posts in a month is also nothing for me. I have made like 900 posts in a day before.
This is all true. Also, fuk Zelensky.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
This is all true. Also, fuk Zelensky.
Zelensky just loves getting billions from us and LARPing as some hero. This is the time of his life. He's been able to consolidate total control of Ukraine and ban opposition parties. He can label anyone he dislikes a collaborator. OFC if he doesn't do what the nazis say, they will murder him...He probably wants the war to keep going. His life isn't at much risk relative to the fighters on the ground, and he gains power with every passing day. Eventually, they won't be able to do anything to him because he'll be some great symbol of Ukraine, and he'll just sit there in control lol.
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
Zelensky just loves getting billions from us and LARPing as some hero. This is the time of his life. He's been able to consolidate total control of Ukraine and ban opposition parties. He can label anyone he dislikes a collaborator. OFC if he doesn't do what the nazis say, they will murder him...He probably wants the war to keep going. His life isn't at much risk relative to the fighters on the ground, and he gains power with every passing day. Eventually, they won't be able to do anything to him because he'll be some great symbol of Ukraine, and he'll just sit there in control lol.
Typical vatnik fairy tales
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Originally Posted By SlavaUkrain⏩
Typical vatnik fairy tales
Not an argument.

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Originally Posted By terrorgunt⏩
Watching this Soldier of Fortune magazine reading Steven Seagal level fraud wax on for 7 months has been hilarious.

Memcop has never served a single day in any US armed force nor civilian role. Memcop is the definition of stolen valor misc fraud and should fukking jump off the nearest bridge with a suicide vest attached and activated. I hope he and his entire family die of horrible cancers. Dude says he 'joined' in 1999 and then ' trained decades of leaders'.

Totally a person who would vatnik on Misc.
The vatnik alliance of Stizzel, Memcop and Wincel are clearly retarded, as we've all known prior to this thread, but you're taking this too personally and to heart.
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Originally Posted By dusky99⏩
Exhumed body NSFW

https://old.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkrai..._must_be_seen/
****

that man has a nose of a mule, the smell would be putrid
Great MAGA King status

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Originally Posted By jackamo2887⏩
The vatnik alliance of Stizzel, Memcop and Wincel are clearly retarded, as we've all known prior to this thread, but you're taking this too personally and to heart.
Vatnik crew
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