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post 1668195023 09-20-2022, 04:05 PM
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I'm way fukn happier now.
Not restless or anything, sex all the time, have fun together. Financially work together.

I do need to improve myself career wise still but thats about it.

Was rough for a few years

the woman you find should make it feel like this. Otherwise, you found the wrong one.
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I do think it would automatically give them a life so it's hard to argue that it wouldn't help. Would the relationship be all that healthy? Probably not but beggars can't be choosers.

It's really not that trying to get a girl is a bad idea to fix their problems. It's more the fact that so many think it's the only way which simply is not true either. The underlying problem is they need to get a life. That can be with friends, family, or significant other. From there it's a starting point to be more social and active. In some ways even doing activities alone is a start as well as it would open up social opportunities too.

The mindset is to try to go 0 to 100 though with a girlfriend and ignore all the other smaller steps and wallow in self-pity instead of taking the action that's in their control.
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post 1668195513 09-20-2022, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze
Do you believe getting a woman will fix your problems?
Women don't fix your problems. They are the cause of problems. Men run the world and will continue to run the world. Females are only good for a few of things.
post 1668195643 09-20-2022, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
I really think it depends on the quality of the relationship. Been to 3 wedding this year and those guys are happy as fuk and their lady is their best friend and just changes everything for them
Yea I don’t dispute how great it must be to be in a committed relationship with a woman whose also your best friend.

But I think you’d be surprised how quickly that situation becomes your “baseline”, and before you know it you’re preoccupied with a new set of problems and worries.
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze
What I am saying is that they're focusing a lot on that while being blind to the mental aspect of it. BBMG got a GF and still has a piss poor mindset about a lot of things.

So while one need is fulfilled he's still a miserable fuk because he has unresolved personal problems + issues from internalizing rejection.
This isn't true. It was true of the second girl because I didn't like her that much. But the first one was amazing and I to this day look back on that as some of the best days of my life because I had that kind of relationship going on.

Most people are the same, if you are in the right situation it makes a complete dramatic difference to your quality of life. Why can't we admit it
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Originally Posted By Nicklol
I'm way fukn happier now.
Not restless or anything, sex all the time, have fun together. Financially work together.

I do need to improve myself career wise still but thats about it.

Was rough for a few years

the woman you find should make it feel like this. Otherwise, you found the wrong one.
Me and my gf used to be like this but the honeymoon spark went out

Idk how couples keep that spark going for more than a few years
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If someone cannot be content or solve their issues within themselves without a female, it will be impossible with one.

So no, getting a female will not fix a thing for them. They need to completely fix their foundation and way of thinking before that.
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Originally Posted By GameForOmegas
I think about George Sodini every once in a while. On the face of it, he really didn’t have it so bad. He had a decent job. He was decent looking and in good shape. He wasn’t severely ill, handicapped physically or mentally, or deformed. Women or no he could have led a life of reasonable quality, probably lonely, but with freedom, privacy, and certain pleasures.

But he suffered terribly from a belief he had- not from any lack, need, or deficiency, but from a belief. It’s important to make this distinction.

Sodini’s problems, from the note he left, came from his family of origin. He had terrible trouble with his mother and older brother. Normally, all these wonderful things people value so much like confidence and healthy self-love come from a healthy, loving family and a healthy childhood environment. The pop psychologists will tell you if you just buy their book or maybe spend a few months with a therapist everything will be just great, and if not it’s because you want to be miserable or are bad in some other way. Sodini had some books and tapes by Louise Hay, a really rotten and destructive snake oil salesman of this type.

The truth is there is no magic cure, and maybe no cure at all, for these kinds of torments. Sodini, however, was pretty sure he knew what would make it all go away, and provide him with a lifetime of happiness- a relationship with a woman. He couldn’t obtain this, and believed not only was he sentenced to a lifetime of misery but this meant he was a bad person.

He’s hardly alone in this. Plenty of guys think this, that do have relationships with women, and find they aren’t happy. They figure if only they can find the right woman they will be happy. Maybe she’s better looking, or more empathetic, or has more common interests, but there is some better woman out there who can provide happiness. If none of the previous relationships worked there’s always another chance.

In any case whether you’re looking for a woman to provide emotional succor, personal validation, or social status you are likely to be disappointed. A woman is a person with a vagina and breasts. Relationships with other human beings can be enjoyable and make us happy to a certain extent, but they are not magic…
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
If someone cannot be content or solve their issues within themselves without a female, it will be impossible with one.

So no, getting a female will not fix a thing for them. They need to completely fix their foundation and way of thinking before that.
this is just bullchit.

Nobody every tells someone with no friends " friends wont solve anything, be a loner until you're happy spending every moment alone by yourself".

I have no clue why they think its any different with relationships. its not. these are human needs
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Originally Posted By alltrapbrah
Yea I don’t dispute how great it must be to be in a committed relationship with a woman whose also your best friend.

But I think you’d be surprised how quickly that situation becomes your “baseline”, and before you know it you’re preoccupied with a new set of problems and worries.
this happens with everything, that doesnt mean you dont have needs that need to be fulfilled
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
this is just bullchit.

Nobody every tells someone with no friends " friends wont solve anything, be a loner until you're happy spending every moment alone by yourself".

I have no clue why they think its any different with relationships. its not. these are human needs
If you're a sad sack of chit before a gf, your relationship is doomed to fail.

Anyone reliant on something for "happiness" will crumble. As soon as that chick notices you're desperate or obsessive over her, she'll dump you and you'll be depressed again and become even more of a female hater. Same with friends. They'll drop you as soon as they realize someone is being too clingy and wanting to hang out all the time.

People always want value added to their lives without ever providing value themselves.
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
If someone cannot be content or solve their issues within themselves without a female, it will be impossible with one.

So no, getting a female will not fix a thing for them. They need to completely fix their foundation and way of thinking before that.
QFT
Originally Posted By alltrapbrah
Nice find, srs. Saved for later so I can read the rest of the article in the link.
Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
Nobody every tells someone with no friends " friends wont solve anything, be a loner until you're happy spending every moment alone by yourself".
But no one said this. You decided to twist what he said into that.

Are you actually reading posts or just looking for an opening to disagree?
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Will it solve some problems? Yea it definitely will for many incels.

Will it solve all their problems? No... But who actually has all their chit figured out?

I had a best friend just like BBMG: Short, ethnic, and worst of all.. completely bald by 18..

He wasn't perfect but had so many things going for him, good family, solid job, good mindset, etc.

I can confirm, a gf would definitely solve a lot of his problems.
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Originally Posted By miscallday12
I had a best friend just like BBMG: Short, ethnic, and worst of all.. completely bald by 18..

He wasn't perfect but had so many things going for him, good family, solid job, good mindset, etc.

I can confirm, a gf would definitely solve a lot of his problems.
Seems like he was a solid friend.

You also mentioned he has good mindset, which is something BBMG is lacking in.
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So many men go after the financial, career, and physical things but ignore the mindset part.

Your friend isn't who I'm talking about because his mindset has already put him leagues ahead of a lot of FA's, srs.
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
If you're a sad sack of chit before a gf, your relationship is doomed to fail.

Anyone reliant on something for "happiness" will crumble. As soon as that chick notices you're desperate or obsessive over her, she'll dump you and you'll be depressed again and become even more of a female hater. Same with friends. They'll drop you as soon as they realize someone is being too clingy and wanting to hang out all the time.

People always want value added to their lives without ever providing value themselves.
more bullchit.

If your life is otherwise together but you're lonely like any other human being would be, nobody is going to hold that against you.

Now yes, if your life is a mess generally and you want to use a relationship to mask that, big issue. but thats a different situation.
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze
But no one said this. You decided to twist what he said into that.

Are you actually reading posts or just looking for an opening to disagree?
people are saying this, they say it all the time that oh if you arent content and happy on your own then you're needy and not ready to date.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
people are saying this,
Okay...so people are saying that. Great.

But that's not the point being driven be me or DeadlyStriker. So stay on topic and focus on that, will ya?

You can keep taking yourself in circles if you want.
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Coming in just to lol @ the incels. JFL at not being able to acquire a basic human experience and then running around circles in your head as to why you can’t instead of trying other things.
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze
Okay...so people are saying that. Great.

But that's not the point being driven be me or DeadlyStriker. So stay on topic and focus on that, will ya?

You can keep taking yourself in circles if you want.
look at what I quoted. Deadly striker literally said exacttly that
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
look at what I quoted. Deadly striker literally said exacttly that
Exactly that? Then quote it and highlight where he saidexactly thatin bold text since I missed it.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
more bullchit.

If your life is otherwise together but you're lonely like any other human being would be, nobody is going to hold that against you.

Now yes, if your life is a mess generally and you want to use a relationship to mask that, big issue. but thats a different situation.
Actually, doesn't his point apply quite literally to your first gf experience? If I recall correctly you sabotaged that relationship due to insecurities, neediness, jealousy, etc. So he is right in a sense.
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze
Partly becuase of the unhealthy amount of importance some parts of society puts on relationships. Misc is a good example of this.

What's usually the first thing miscers will insult a man about? "Lol you can't get girls" "Lol you don't have money"

Then you have other mal-adjusted men who do get women, but they only know how toget them oncenot retain them. Guys like Nonsense, and AWSbruh (no hate, srs.)



This is a good question.

Getting confidence may fix it for men who already had the potential in the first place, but for the guys who obviously have deep seated emotional issues they'll struggle maintaining the relationship.



Did you read the question that was asked in the OP?





Why do they avoid doing the inner work required to actually grow as a person?



I saw your thread in the relationship section. I know you feel the opposite of what you mean, but I also understand your frustration on some level.

Dealing with BUM females does get exhausting.
I mean you're supposed to just go out and do normal things and meet someone. It isn't exactly the case for a lot of men nowadays. They can have a normal personality and job/hobbies and still not find anyone.
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze
That also leads me to believe that a lot of men (here and IRL) are basing an unhealthy amount of their self esteem on having a female in their life.
This is absolutely true. It's pretty cringe when you're actually able to look at it objectively.
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women just give you more problems. if you have one problem and a girl, you have two problems
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze
Exactly that? Then quote it and highlight where he saidexactly thatin bold text since I missed it.
He said "If someone cannot be contentor solve their issues within themselveswithout a female, it will be impossible with one."
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
He said "If someone cannot be contentor solve their issues within themselveswithout a female, it will be impossible with one."
LOL, yes I know that's what he said. That is why I called you out because you decided to interpret his point into what you said below.
Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
Nobody every tells someone with no friends " friends wont solve anything,be a loner until you're happy spending every moment alone by yourself".
WhichIsn't What He Saidbut you decided to disagree because that's what you Thought He Said

You did two things...reframed it into the context of friendsthentwisted the words into something completely different.

NO ONE EVER SAID TO BE A LONER UNTIL YOU'RE HAPPY SPENDING EVERY MOMENT ALONE BY YOURSELF

Can you read ****** Goddamn, that Ivy League education is doing wonders for you.


Lol @ you trying to play mind games. I know what he said, you initially didn't read or chose to ignore it so now you're using these backpedal tactics.
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze
LOL, yes I know that's what he said. That is why I called you out because you decided to interpret his point into what you said below.



WhichIsn't What He Saidbut you decided to disagree because that's what you Thought He Said

You did two things...reframed it into the context of friendsthentwisted the words into something completely different


Lol @ you trying to play mind games. I know what he said, you initially didn't or chose to ignore it so now you're using these backpedal tactics.
I brought up the friends example to compare, not because he said that himself.

He said 'if you cannot be content without a woman it will be impossible with one"

The comparison I made is that nobody ever says ' if you cannot be happy without friends, you wont be with them'.

SO why do people say it about dating when they wont say it about friends? They acknowledge every person needs friends and basic human interaction. But for some reason with women, they say bullchit like 'you should be content without a woman or else you wont be with them', which is 10000% bullchit.

The vast majority of men are not happy as incels and never can be. why cant we admit that we need women to be happy, just like we admit we need friends
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Originally Posted By Rebel012
Actually, doesn't his point apply quite literally to your first gf experience? If I recall correctly you sabotaged that relationship due to insecurities, neediness, jealousy, etc. So he is right in a sense.
he is wrong, because my situation was entirely due to lack of experience. If I wasnt a 25 yr old incel who didnt know what he was doing, that wouldnt have happened.

Most people get their mistakes out the way earlier in their teens and 20s. I couldnt handle meeting someone that great with zero experience at age 25.

if anything it proves MY point that the longer you alone the worse it is.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
I brought up the friends example to compare, not because he said that himself.

He said 'if you cannot be content without a woman it will be impossible with one"

The comparison I made is that nobody ever says ' if you cannot be happy without friends, you wont be with them'.

SO why do people say it about dating when they wont say it about friends? They acknowledge every person needs friends and basic human interaction. But for some reason with women, they say bullchit like 'you should be content without a woman or else you wont be with them', which is 10000% bullchit.

The vast majority of men are not happy as incels and never can be. why cant we admit that we need women to be happy, just like we admit we need friends
I know your pattern.

You think you're smart because others can't pick up on it. Every discussion with you is circular,

Try this genius:




Consider for a moment that my point of view is right. How would you explain my opposing point of view to yourself?
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
he is wrong, because my situation was entirely due to lack of experience. If I wasnt a 25 yr old incel who didnt know what he was doing, that wouldnt have happened.

Most people get their mistakes out the way earlier in their teens and 20s. I couldnt handle meeting someone that great with zero experience at age 25.

if anything it proves MY point that the longer you alone the worse it is.
I agree with this, experience is critical. But I don't think he was implying to literally not date until you perfect yourself. Keep trying but also realize that you've put something on a pedestal due to a lack of experience and that isn't the right mindset. Fixing that can be a part of self improvement.
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