I think I'm smart because I graduated from a top 3 school and got a 6 figure income without much difficulty. Not because of dumb conversations on the misc.


My argument isn't circular, it's a basic comparison. You just refuse to compute it because you don't want to acknowledge when I'm correct.

Your view is that relationships aren't everything. I agree with that basic view. Never said I didn't. But I also think NOT ever having relationships will make most people miserable regardless of anything else in their lives. People need people. Getting older alone will make most people miserable. We cannot be happy alone forever

it would 100% for me. I feel great when I'm with a hot girl. Bored as hell otherwise.

It's a step in the right direction, no question.

I used to have a lot of hangups about being unemployed. I've posted before, my parents never had a high opinion of me, and my dad's go-to insult in particular was that I'd never be able to hold down a job. It sounds kind of dumb, but he drummed that in to me. "You stand around for 2 seconds? I wouldn't hire you to pick up dog chit." "You did your homework last minute? Your boss is going to fire you if you pull that chit on him." There was LOTS of doomsaying.

So when I was in high school and college, I had a lot of anxiety about that. When I got my first internship in 2017 and basically got fired from it / no return offer (because the manager was a dikk, more than anything I did), that REKT me for like a month. Confirmation that I really was a giant bag of chit.

Then I got hired into a big boy job in 2020, making phat stacks. Felt prettygoodman. There was a learning curve at the beginning of the job where I fukked some things up and all, and that brought back anxieties about how I'm gonna get fired and all that. Then I got a top 10% performance eval and my manager's like, no, you're actually doing pretty fukking awesome. And some coworkers were like "you are good at this chit, FAbrah. I enjoy working with you." Lots of head bobbles.

So there's a self confidence boost there, where what used to be an anxiety / pain point for work is just now kind of gone.

I got shifted managers recently, and this new guy kind of thinks I'm a dikk. Well fuk him. I've met enough people who don't think I'm a dikk to know that's a him problem more than anything. My coworkers like me, I know what I'm doing, I deliver on time, I know what I don't know. So I don't document chit... there's worse flaws. And this new guy is pretty meticulous. That's more of a clash of personality / work styles, more than me actually being incompetent at my job. So when he flicks me chit, I don't take it too harshly.

I'm still nothappyin life, but that's one major ego problem that got salved. Wagie'ing or earning an income is a necessary part to a decent life, and I got that piece of the puzzle figured out.

I think you can see the parallels I'm drawing with the whole woman thing. Is it alone going to make me happy? No. But it's a pain point that can be salved by success and experience. And the problem is that I've fukking got none.

my problems are boredom and loneliess. i know from first hand experience women fix those 2 problems pretty damn well. This thread is copium. OP just can't get hot, feminine, fun girls that he's crazy about(and neither can most men) so he's coping hard.

If their only problem is not having a partner then why wouldn't it fix it? Humans are social creatures. Having a person of the opposite sex by your side will have a significant impact on your mental. Even literal babies who grow up with no physical contact by the parent grow up with mental issues. That doesn't go away when your balls drop. I truly believe a lot of dudes on here would be better in life if they just got a hug lol.

Same i'm always bored and lonely because i can only do things by myself. I literally just work alone, stare at the wall at work or browse the internet but there really isn't much else to do. I lift too but that's only an hour per day.

And everyone seriously just talks about netflix or food so i can't join in any of the conversations. It sucks.

Or on their phone. Everywhere i go people are just on their phones every 30 seconds.

Strong self awareness. You post here all day (I'm sure you do it in public on the phone) yet complain about people being on their phones? Or ignoring co-workers who greet you? And then you complain about everyone only talking about post malones & netflix while not being the change you wanna see?

Honestly man, you have good points re 2012 theory sometimes but you've gotta be the worst poster I've seen on the internet srs

Hence why I stopped replying to him. The same schtick every time.

These type of incense you cannot ge through to. No matter how you word it, frame, make it obvious they just use this odd logic to undermine the comment and bastardize into their viewpoint with zero culpability.

He still can't see that he interpreted my comment wrong (unless he is doing on purpose) and is following a line of false logic. He's hopeless.

Companionship is nice but you need to love yourself first. Most of these dudes do nothing to improve themselves.

There are some really good replies I haven't replied too yet. I kinda want to relax for the night so I'll address them tomorrow.

(Reasoning with BBMG is exhausting lmao)It's not that I can't see when you're correct, I think the way you go about presenting your points make the discussion more drawn out than it needs to be.

I agree, never NOT having a relationship would suck. I've been there, and was a virgin until about 21. Prior to that I experienced some brootal rejections, some of them publicly humiliating. I got real bitter from 17-19ish until 20-21. I eventually got a gf, she was attractive and into me but I wasn't ready at all. She wasn't a very good GF...manipulative, liked to argue, and all that drama shyt. BUT I was insecure, emotional, and kinda clingy at one point. I learned from it, but I would've been nice if I had learned those lessons years ago...but dating was kinda banned in my household. As a result my married siblings aren't in very healthy relationships. But anyway...

Companionship is a human need. As I said before...if your current way of thinking/approach/reasoning to life isn't working thenjust try a different one. I'm not saying that to invalidate your struggle, but just do something different. What are your limiting beliefs? Don't answer that, don't tell me. Answer yourself...write it down. Find out why you have those limiting beliefs...then get rid of them. Prove those limiting beliefs wrong. Don't ask me what they are, ask yourself.

Some can be happy or content alone forever, but that's a rare subset of people so I partially agree with your last statement. I'm pretty content in my super singleness right now, but I wouldn't mind a woman coming into my life eventually. However I have my own inner stuff to work on and I'm not seriously pursuing a woman until I get the shadows worked out.I appreciate your honesty.

Do you have a racial/ethic preference in females?

EDIT: Of course you won't answer but consider traveling to a South American country, Philippines or Thailand.

You're already wasting money on escorts and shopping trips with women who aren't even fuking you. Why not invest that cash into a real experience?

Nothing I say is wrong though it's just reality

More bullchit.

If you love yourself so much why bother improving anything. You already love yourself as you are right now.

You idiots spew this nonsense and don't see when it makes no logical sense.

No woman cares how much you love yourself

bro youve 22 thousand posts in 4 years. i dont think youre doing much better or youre in denial

I'm happy you disproved those limiting beliefs your father tried to force on you, and good on you for handling that work chit like an alpha lol, srs.

My point isn't about a female bringing happiness, but it's that some men believe a woman will make their problems go away. A guy with low self esteem before he had a gf will still have low self esteem after getting one. You can't avoid the inner work, and even if you do it'll slowly sabotage any potential relationship you have. Women have the same problem. Thinking a relationship will fix whatever baggage they have instead of addressing the baggage directly. Everyone has baggage, but not everyone will deal with it.

What I've observed with the FA's, Bittercels, Incels, is that they associate to much of their internal value with how much females value them. To add insult to injury they internalize rejection (something I still struggle with, but it's gotten better).

You're closer to a breakthrough in that area than you think.It's funny how the most well known FA's are the main ones attempting to derail.

To cope is to deal with a situation to the best of ones ability. So if you aren't coping then you're rotting.

I won't address everything else you said because it's obviously BS lmao.Agreed.

I don't think he even realizes when he's doing it. If he were to get into a relationship, I wonder if a female would want to put up with that behavior...Fixed.

EOD was never the same after his accident lobotomyI'm not sure how post count correlates to happiness, but I guess you wanted to feel included in the discussion?

it is correlated, because you wouldnt be on this forum or anywhere near as much

Even if that were true, it doesn't weaken any of the points I've made ITT.

It's not about the woman you phuckin ****git. There are a lot of dudes out there right now who don't know their self worth. Don't improve yourself for a bitch. Improve yourself for you and you won't put your worth on a pussy.

You said to love yourself. If you already love yoursrlf, why do you need to any improvement. If you love something, its fine as it is

If you have really deeply-rooted problems, no, a girl will not solve your problems. Nor should you expect that out of them. Sometimes people are too trapped by their own demons and having a GF is only a bandaid fix. These problems will unravel themselves over time. The reprieve you feel is temporary unless you really are with somebody who is marriage material. But even marriages fall apart.


I realized as well too that being with the wrong woman, as cliche as it sounds will make you feel MORE lonely and add to your problems. It's true. It's easy to look at people in relationships but you don't know their circumstances. Half these people in relationships are probably better off and happier on their own. How many of these people are actually with a girl that adds to their life? How many of these people are dealing with divorce, cheating, trust issues? That's way worse than being alone.


A lot of the time you waste on women is honestly better served working on your health, hobbies, getting money and focusing on your relationships with your family and your few close friends in your inner circle. If you have these in order and a healthy relationship with yourself, you realize that you don't necessarily need a woman to justify your own happiness. And funny enough you'll probably have more success with women. The right woman will only add to it, but at the same time you know the wrong one will detract from it and make you miserable and detract from everything that you worked for.

Don't chase. You can lead the dance but ultimately it takes two to tango. Don't get too attached. If they don't reciprocate your efforts, treat you with respect, bring you joy or add any value, cut them off quickly, entirely and move on.



I think most people suffer in their own heads at the thought of not having a girlfriend, rather than actually not having a girlfriend. Because the thought of it evokes feelings that something is wrong with them, and they feel inadequate and that they are incapable of being loved by the opposite sex, undesired or treated with kindness. That's more of an unhealthy relationship with yourself. If you truly worked on yourself first, you would be more confident in your self-worth and value and realize that women are not the be-all, end all of your existence and you don't need them to be happy. Your life doesn't and shouldn't revolve around women. And that most women really aren't worth the baggage they bring and siphon the life out of you. Only people who lack experience and have deep self-esteem issues believe a woman will solve all their problems. Not to mention, putting all your eggs in one basket in the form of a woman to solve your problems is a one way trip to hell on earth if the chit goes south. It'll feel like bliss when it goes well but scorched earth when it doesn't. Nowadays with divorce rates, it seems like it's a losing proposition to take. Any man that knows his value will never put pussy on a pedestal and be desperate for women to love them. Just fuking lol. They are just like anybody else, except they have a vagina.

This is ridiculous, it really does sound like you're just trying to argue. "Love yourself" in this context just means that you have enough respect for yourself so that you don't want to waste your potential and you thus create future opportunities by improving yourself (in terms of what's in your control).

An anorexic or morbidly obese person may say that they love themselves, but it's delusion.

Wait, what? Self loveistaking care of numero uno, which includes becoming a better person. Am I misunderstanding you? From this thread I don't think it's everyone else with the logic problem, though I'm willing to hear you out.

Ok, well then just say 'respect yourself' or 'take care of yourself' instead of using the complete wrong word for it while expecting people to know what you mean.

Jesus Christ and I thought I was autismo off the charts

That isnt what loves means in any other context. if thats what people mean when they say 'love youself', they shouldnt say love yourself. They should say take care of yourself or something.

Stop using the wrong terms for things and then wonder why people dont know what is meant by it

thread full of men who get no pussy and admit it

thread full of men who get no pussy and cope that they do

old crusted, and torn, infertile foid seeking attention on male issues

You have to realize people say different things and mean different things.

For example, Ive heard 1000 times from people I'll say "I hate myself because im short and ugly". And then they say ' you have to love youself bro'.

thats a way different definition of 'love yourself' than you are trying to use. Just say what you actually mean you fuking retard. And yes, that is a different meaning in the exact same context of women and dating. So dont bullchit and say I cant understand the context.in the exact same context of women and dating, ive heard people say 'love yourself' to mean exactly how I understood it originally.

Being alone is alright srs.
Like i know i can make a friend/pick up a sloot if i put my mind to it, so it doesnt bother me.
I might go weeks not seeing friends & just facetiming.
Months spent without pussy no problem

But if i didnt believe i could do all that chit etc. Id be miserable. Just like i would in other things id like to pursue but cant.
The uncertainty is the problem not the women itself. U brahs aint thinking deep enough

I think this is true, basically what you're saying is in your case you only go without when you dont feel like bothering to put the effort to go get it. In other words, its a choice for you. If you wanted to get women or friends, you know you can.

Thats way different. Thats a choice and you can change it when you feel like it. Way different than someone like me, who, if I had to get a date in the next 30 days or die, Id be dying.