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09-20-2022, 10:48 PM
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09-20-2022, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Right so your logic is be paralyzed with fear and do nothing anytime the situation has any sort of small potential for escalation?The boogie man disappears when I close my eyes.
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Russians lose all nuclear capability because I'm pro-Ukraine.
Russia has about 2000 of these weapons. Some would be fired at Mach 8 and unstoppable. The stoppable ones flash and fallout over europe. NATO has 200. Short of hypersonic that onlt the US would have in development, S400 in killengrad, Ukraine, and in Russia to stop and fall over Europe.
Russia fires a tactical nuke into the black sea at Mach 6. What's our response?
Russia hits a small town factory that makes a self propelled artillery piece. What's our response?
Outside of stopping whatever we're doing and ceasing aid or peaceful/beneficial resolution to Russia. What choices are there?
So Russia comes out spraying 10kt warheads over Europe. We shoot a few dozen back?
I don't need to remind who here is the child when consequences to actions are not considered like when they say I will tactically nuke you if you intervene in my war. We intervene, we brag about intel use, they recoil... no one worries.
It's the twilight zone.
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Russians lose all nuclear capability because I'm pro-Ukraine.
Russia has about 2000 of these weapons. Some would be fired at Mach 8 and unstoppable. The stoppable ones flash and fallout over europe. NATO has 200. Short of hypersonic that onlt the US would have in development, S400 in killengrad, Ukraine, and in Russia to stop and fall over Europe.
Russia fires a tactical nuke into the black sea at Mach 6. What's our response?
Russia hits a small town factory that makes a self propelled artillery piece. What's our response?
Outside of stopping whatever we're doing and ceasing aid or peaceful/beneficial resolution to Russia. What choices are there?
So Russia comes out spraying 10kt warheads over Europe. We shoot a few dozen back?
I don't need to remind who here is the child when consequences to actions are not considered like when they say I will tactically nuke you if you intervene in my war. We intervene, we brag about intel use, they recoil... no one worries.
It's the twilight zone.
What do you do if russia invades poland? Cant risk nuke escalation right? Leave it alone right?
What if he attacks the UK? Fuk it why even have allies?
Its a good thing that people who think like you never end up as leaders.
09-20-2022, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted By merlen90⏩
Completely illegitimate. However there is no recourse.Kherson and zaporizzhya oblast too
But still, even if you take the occupied areas of Donetsk and Luhansk, where 90% of the people have already fled.
Do you think it is legitimate to hold a referendum there? isn't it funny?
But still, even if you take the occupied areas of Donetsk and Luhansk, where 90% of the people have already fled.
Do you think it is legitimate to hold a referendum there? isn't it funny?
So you have to live in certain realities. Knowing they were going to take it would have been the best start. Established baseline and go from there.
War is as old as history itself. It's unfair but reality. Build or ally with a great power and take it back.
We are not your ally. You'll fight and lose this and you'll have to pay every cent back. UK just made last ww2 months ago.
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09-20-2022, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
You're lashing out because I'm right. Our current admin is pushing a line that has never been tested but in the end we finish sentences with not wanting to cause direct conflict with Russia. We probably have an entire foot over the line but russia didn't immediately respond. There will likely be a response. Well see. I hope not.Right so your logic is be paralyzed with fear and do nothing anytime the situation has any sort of small potential for escalation?
What do you do if russia invades poland? Cant risk nuke escalation right? Leave it alone right?
What if he attacks the UK? Fuk it why even have allies?
Its a good thing that people who think like you never end up as leaders.
What do you do if russia invades poland? Cant risk nuke escalation right? Leave it alone right?
What if he attacks the UK? Fuk it why even have allies?
Its a good thing that people who think like you never end up as leaders.
We don't speak for Ukraine officially. We're aiding them. They are not NATO and do not have an active treaty.
Poland on the otherhand is NATO. Of course we fight. It's our obligation.
You seem very confused on what an ally is. Ukraine is not in that column. We ruled them out due to the corruption and blatant Nazism.
I guess you forgot.
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09-20-2022, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted By merlen90⏩
We've given way too much materiel to understand those items.This "expert" can not guess the date of victory, which he really wants. All deadlines have already passed, but he keeps promising
They were much more clear when you had soviet equipment because there was no investment in your military as you stood up to Russia.
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09-20-2022, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Idk if you didnt understand the point or willingly ignored it.You're lashing out because I'm right. Our current admin is pushing a line that has never been tested but in the end we finish sentences with not wanting to cause direct conflict with Russia. We probably have an entire foot over the line but russia didn't immediately respond. There will likely be a response. Well see. I hope not.
We don't speak for Ukraine officially. We're aiding them. They are not NATO and do not have an active treaty.
Poland on the otherhand is NATO. Of course we fight. It's our obligation.
You seem very confused on what an ally is. Ukraine is not in that column. We ruled them out due to the corruption and blatant Nazism.
I guess you forgot.
We don't speak for Ukraine officially. We're aiding them. They are not NATO and do not have an active treaty.
Poland on the otherhand is NATO. Of course we fight. It's our obligation.
You seem very confused on what an ally is. Ukraine is not in that column. We ruled them out due to the corruption and blatant Nazism.
I guess you forgot.
Why offer any resistance to any russian aggression when it could or would lead to doomsday?
Youve been going on and on with your pseudo pacifism but its clear that you really just never wanted the west to help ukraine.
09-20-2022, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
It's not pacifism. It's realism. To which you are completely missing the point.Idk if you didnt understand the point or willingly ignored it.
Why offer any resistance to any russian aggression when it could or would lead to doomsday?
Youve been going on and on with your pseudo pacifism but its clear that you really just never wanted the west to help ukraine.
Why offer any resistance to any russian aggression when it could or would lead to doomsday?
Youve been going on and on with your pseudo pacifism but its clear that you really just never wanted the west to help ukraine.
Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
The official position of the US government is that Russia is currently a major trade partner of earth metals, fertilizer, rubber, and grain. 26th to be precise.Why offer any resistance to any russian aggression when it could or would lead to doomsday?
Further it is our position that Russia is NOT a terrorist state, we have not declared hostilities, nor do we wish to provoke Russia into direct conflict.
The US is not being challenged militarily, Ukraine is and it is their aggression to deal with.
So when you decry offering "resistance to Russian aggression" we do a fine job of telling others not to take particular products that hurt Russia and others as much or more or even encourage smaller nations with no chance to sacrifice their men by handing out surplus and other aid.
Ukraine is racking up debt to the US. What's left will be painful to payback. It's not free. Meanwhile we dance very close to the involvement line that has monumental implications, helping Ukraine is not the motivation, hurting Russia is.
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09-20-2022, 11:45 PM
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AFU general staff:
The Russian army is storming the areas of Veseloye, Kurdyumivka, Mykolayivka II, Bakhmutskyy, Zaitseve, Maiorsk, Pervomaisky, Marinka, and Novomikhailivka.
Looks like a DPR blitz.
Wagner repelled in Bakhmut LPR pushed from center between cities and Wagner blocked from south. Wagner still has foothold in industrial east. Not sure they can do anything with it.
The Russian army is storming the areas of Veseloye, Kurdyumivka, Mykolayivka II, Bakhmutskyy, Zaitseve, Maiorsk, Pervomaisky, Marinka, and Novomikhailivka.
Looks like a DPR blitz.
Wagner repelled in Bakhmut LPR pushed from center between cities and Wagner blocked from south. Wagner still has foothold in industrial east. Not sure they can do anything with it.
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09-21-2022, 12:08 AM
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memcop did the admin verify your identity yet?
09-21-2022, 12:12 AM
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09-21-2022, 12:17 AM
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Ok Putin just announced a partial mobilization, whatever that is.
09-21-2022, 12:21 AM
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09-21-2022, 12:21 AM
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09-21-2022, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
I take that as a no which further brings into question the situation.Suck a dik cow killer.
I'm questioning the validity of your identity.
I've already given multiple concrete reasons why, and your being a mod holds you to a far higher standard.
The behavior of the memcop account this year is consistent with an account bought by the Russian government.
Either do it or stop posting here.
09-21-2022, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
Wrong. Yet again. Memcope wrong post #868
BTW did another mod or admin confirm recently that the memcop account is being used by who they think it is? Srs question. I want it verified. Let me be clear - I don't think it's likely but it's possible given numerous facts and the strange behavior of the memcop account this year -
given the fact that the Kremlin has a very large online army of paid shills targeting many countries aka online psyops program aka the Internet Research Agency(although there are other orgs/agencies of the Kremlin's psyops program than that one)
given the fact that although myself and others have had many threads here about Ukraine-Russia over the past nine years, the memcop account was never not once seen in the Russia-Ukraine discussion threads in the prior 8 years ... but has been incessant on it this year as if he's lived the conflict his whole life and as if it's immensely important to him as if his life depended on it and with more knowledge of the points of the conflict than just about anyone else here short of myself
given the fact that the memcop account is pushing all the known/identified Kremlin daily talking points and patting the back of others who are as well
given the fact the memcop account is acting far far more like Russian behavior than typical American behavior and especially someone with long US mil history
given the fact the memcop account has ardently attacked every member who is against Putin's war; while repeatedly patting on the back known and suspected Kremlin shill accounts
I want your identity verified by the admin.
Then we go from there.
BTW did another mod or admin confirm recently that the memcop account is being used by who they think it is? Srs question. I want it verified. Let me be clear - I don't think it's likely but it's possible given numerous facts and the strange behavior of the memcop account this year -
given the fact that the Kremlin has a very large online army of paid shills targeting many countries aka online psyops program aka the Internet Research Agency(although there are other orgs/agencies of the Kremlin's psyops program than that one)
given the fact that although myself and others have had many threads here about Ukraine-Russia over the past nine years, the memcop account was never not once seen in the Russia-Ukraine discussion threads in the prior 8 years ... but has been incessant on it this year as if he's lived the conflict his whole life and as if it's immensely important to him as if his life depended on it and with more knowledge of the points of the conflict than just about anyone else here short of myself
given the fact that the memcop account is pushing all the known/identified Kremlin daily talking points and patting the back of others who are as well
given the fact the memcop account is acting far far more like Russian behavior than typical American behavior and especially someone with long US mil history
given the fact the memcop account has ardently attacked every member who is against Putin's war; while repeatedly patting on the back known and suspected Kremlin shill accounts
I want your identity verified by the admin.
Then we go from there.
09-21-2022, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
I'm guessing the supply of modern combat tanks like M1 Abraham and Leopard 2 will be allowed now. The vatniks that were cheering on Putin behind the TV now can show how tough they are. Poor fukksPartial mobilization will lead to a response by the West. The slow crawl towards further escalation continues direct confrontation continues.

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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
When memcop talks Hypersonic nukes....it all comes crashing down. He's a Russian hype agent.The boogie man disappears when I close my eyes.
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Russians lose all nuclear capability because I'm pro-Ukraine.
Russia has about 2000 of these weapons. Some would be fired at Mach 8 and unstoppable. The stoppable ones flash and fallout over europe. NATO has 200. Short of hypersonic that onlt the US would have in development, S400 in killengrad, Ukraine, and in Russia to stop and fall over Europe.
Russia fires a tactical nuke into the black sea at Mach 6. What's our response?
Russia hits a small town factory that makes a self propelled artillery piece. What's our response?
Outside of stopping whatever we're doing and ceasing aid or peaceful/beneficial resolution to Russia. What choices are there?
So Russia comes out spraying 10kt warheads over Europe. We shoot a few dozen back?
I don't need to remind who here is the child when consequences to actions are not considered like when they say I will tactically nuke you if you intervene in my war. We intervene, we brag about intel use, they recoil... no one worries.
It's the twilight zone.
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Russians lose all nuclear capability because I'm pro-Ukraine.
Russia has about 2000 of these weapons. Some would be fired at Mach 8 and unstoppable. The stoppable ones flash and fallout over europe. NATO has 200. Short of hypersonic that onlt the US would have in development, S400 in killengrad, Ukraine, and in Russia to stop and fall over Europe.
Russia fires a tactical nuke into the black sea at Mach 6. What's our response?
Russia hits a small town factory that makes a self propelled artillery piece. What's our response?
Outside of stopping whatever we're doing and ceasing aid or peaceful/beneficial resolution to Russia. What choices are there?
So Russia comes out spraying 10kt warheads over Europe. We shoot a few dozen back?
I don't need to remind who here is the child when consequences to actions are not considered like when they say I will tactically nuke you if you intervene in my war. We intervene, we brag about intel use, they recoil... no one worries.
It's the twilight zone.
Russia doesn't have a single functional nuclear delivery system of which he tries to meticulously detail.
Take that to the bank.
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09-21-2022, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
He's the type of Karen that will write to an Idaho state senator to get me removed from moderation.Honest question - who are you to make demands of anybody?
Should just go back and find his chitposts and perm him. Seems easier. He'd be the 1st R&Per outside of racism, spam, porn to be banned by me.
I suppose allowing open dialog and being involved in it too on subjects I'm into is too much to ask.
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Originally Posted By terrorgunt⏩
Might as well two birds it.When memcop talks Hypersonic nukes....it all comes crashing down. He's a Russian hype agent.
Russia doesn't have a single functional nuclear delivery system of which he tries to meticulously detail.
Take that to the bank.
Russia doesn't have a single functional nuclear delivery system of which he tries to meticulously detail.
Take that to the bank.
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
I CAN tell you he isn't someone who has served in any capacity with any of our armed forces, OR any 3 letter agency...ever.I take that as a no which further brings into question the situation.
I'm questioning the validity of your identity.
I've already given multiple concrete reasons why, and your being a mod holds you to a far higher standard.
The behavior of the memcop account this year is consistent with an account bought by the Russian government.
Either do it or stop posting here.
I'm questioning the validity of your identity.
I've already given multiple concrete reasons why, and your being a mod holds you to a far higher standard.
The behavior of the memcop account this year is consistent with an account bought by the Russian government.
Either do it or stop posting here.
“In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.”
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Originally Posted By MotorcycleBrah⏩
It's obvious you don't understand what's happening. Probably going to declare war on westI'm guessing the supply of modern combat tanks like M1 Abraham and Leopard 2 will be allowed now. The vatniks that were cheering on Putin behind the TV now can show how tough they are. Poor fukks

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Originally Posted By terrorgunt⏩
His lack of knowledge about nuclear capability is sus. I think he's deliberately making up facts though.I CAN tell you he isn't someone who has served in any capacity with any of our armed forces, OR any 3 letter agency...ever.
Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
I don't see how just general dudes or old reservists will turn the war around. They have to be trained extensively or they're just cannon fodder. Also the equipment will not get better, they'll get some ammo from north korea and send to the front or what?US defense contractors probably have a hard on right now thinking about the next wave of cash. Don't feel sorry for the poor vatniks , we're all gonna be in the chitter if this keeps escalating. Probably looking at another 100k Ukrainians dead and and Russia winning unless nato steps in
The Ukies will get the good chit now.
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Originally Posted By MotorcycleBrah⏩
Which fact?His lack of knowledge about nuclear capability is sus. I think he's deliberately making up facts though.
This should be fun.
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