and terms like ADHD, anxiety, depression etc - and the 'science' behind it all has only really been a thing for what, 70 years max?

we could be wrong about so much stuff. maybe these aren't 'diseases' or 'problems' that need medicating - but perfectly normal and it's the way we currently live that's ****ed up.

i was driving through town earlier and was thinking holy **** this ****ing sucks, cars ****ing everywhere having to weave in and out (live in the UK and these narrow roads weren't built for cars). driving also seems to bring out people's worst nature, kinda like online anonymity

Antidepressants are a bandaid solution, I'm sick of these fukking morons eating McDonalds for breakfast and going on antidepressants before addressing THAT obvious problem

But also ugly people shouldn't have children because they're condemning them to an inherently depressing/genetically inferior existence

serious question :

do you think some people are actually wired to be depressed, anxious, adhd etc?

https://www.victorpest.com/articles/...-rodent-utopia



By the 560th day, the population increase had ceased altogether as the mortality rate hovered at 100 percent. This marked the start of the "death phase" — aka the "die period" — in which the rodent utopia slid toward extinction. Amidst the violence, hostility and lack of mating, a younger generation of mice reached maturity, having never been exposed to examples of normal, healthy relations. With no concept of mating, parenting or marking territory, this generation of mice spent all of their waking hours eating, drinking and grooming themselves.

In reference to their perfected, unruffled appearances, Calhoun called these mice the "beautiful ones." Living in seclusion from the other mice, they were spared the violence and conflict that waged in the crowded areas, yet made no social contributions.

According to Calhoun, the death phase consisted of two stages: the "first death" and "second death." The former was characterized by the loss of purpose in life beyond mere existence — no desire to mate, raise young or establish a role within society. This first death was represented by the lackadaisical lives of the beautiful ones, whereas the second death was marked by the literal end of life and the extinction of Universe 25.








There are tons of factors, and we keep adding more(and more impactful) factors much faster than we can evaluate the effects. For example just the invention of the lightbulb had a HUGE impact on mankind as a whole…yet we don’t even think about it at all. The chemicals we eat in our food or are exposed to from things like hygiene items or plastics, the drugs do many people take, completely unnatural social and family structures, the internet…and countless other things all DRASTICALLY impact our mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual health. And sadly we may be past a point where we could ever fully return to a life in sync with what is optimal for humans.

No it's bullsh!t

yeah we could be wrong. there was a study done this year that challenges the belief that lack of serotonin is the cause of depression:
summary:https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2022/jul/...hensive-review
study:https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-022-01661-0

I saw that earlier this year and tend to disagree. Unless there is some other mechanism by which excessive ecstasy use would cause depression, lack of serotonin absolutely contributes to depression.

It’s all BS being pushed on the population


Don’t try to fix the way you’re living


Be depressed

Go to therapy

Be addicted


Etc

Imagine being a TOOL fan and believing that humans have been around for 200000 years

i dunno how long humans have been around for lol i just googled it. but you get my point.

These problems have always existed but they were ignored, suppressed or just simply weren't a big deal. Most people worked manual labor and didn't have the time or energy to be depressed and the routine and stable life they led didn't allow them to suffer from anxiety.

Even today, you'll see a big difference in psychology between farmers and your 9-5 office worker.

DISRUPTION OF THE POWER PROCESS IN MODERN SOCIETY

59. We divide human drives into three groups: (1) those drives that can be satisfied with minimal effort; (2) those that can be satisfied but only at the cost of serious effort; (3) those that cannot be adequately satisfied no matter how much effort one makes. The power process is the process of satisfying the drives of the second group. The more drives there are in the third group, the more there is frustration, anger, eventually defeatism, depression, etc.

60. In modern industrial society natural human drives tend to be pushed into the first and third groups, and the second group tends to consist increasingly of artificially created drives.

61. In primitive societies, physical necessities generally fall into group 2: They can be obtained, but only at the cost of serious effort. But modern society tends to guaranty the physical necessities to everyone [9] in exchange for only minimal effort, hence physical needs are pushed into group 1. (There may be disagreement about whether the effort needed to hold a job is "minimal"; but usually, in lower- to middle-level jobs, whatever effort is required is merely that of OBEDIENCE. You sit or stand where you are told to sit or stand and do what you are told to do in the way you are told to do it. Seldom do you have to exert yourself seriously, and in any case you have hardly any autonomy in work, so that the need for the power process is not well served.)

62. Social needs, such as sex, love and status, often remain in group 2 in modern society, depending on the situation of the individual. [10] But, except for people who have a particularly strong drive for status, the effort required to fulfill the social drives is insufficient to satisfy adequately the need for the power process.

63. So certain artificial needs have been created that fall into group 2, hence serve the need for the power process. Advertising and marketing techniques have been developed that make many people feel they need things that their grandparents never desired or even dreamed of. It requires serious effort to earn enough money to satisfy these artificial needs, hence they fall into group 2. (But see paragraphs 80-82.) Modern man must satisfy his need for the power process largely through pursuit of the artificial needs created by the advertising and marketing industry [11], and through surrogate activities.

64. It seems that for many people, maybe the majority, these artificial forms of the power process are insufficient. A theme that appears repeatediy in the writings of the social critics of the second half of the 20th century is the sense of purposelessness that afflicts many people in modern society. (This purposelessness is often called by other names such as "anomic" or "middle-class vacuity.") We suggest that the so-called "identity crisis" is actually a search for a sense of purpose, often for commitment to a suitable surrogate activity. It may be that existentialism is in large part a response to the purposelessness of modern life. [12] Very widespread in modern society is the search for "fulfillment." But we think that for the majority of people an activity whose main goal is fulfillment (that is, a surrogate activity) does not bring completely satisfactory fulfillment. In other words, it does not fully satisfy the need for the power process. (See paragraph 41.) That need can be fully satisfied only through activities that have some external goal, such as physical necessities, sex, love, status, revenge, etc.

65. Moreover, where goals are pursued through earning money, climbing the status ladder or functioning as part of the system in some other way, most people are not in a position to pursue their goals AUTONOMOUSLY. Most workers are someone else's employee and, as we pointed out in paragraph 61, must spend their days doing what they are told to do in the way they are told to do it. Even people who are in business for themselves have only limited autonomy. It is a chronic complaint of small-business persons and entrepreneurs that their hands are tied by excessive government regulation. Some of these regulations are doubtless unnecessary, but for the most part government regulations are essential and inevitable parts of our extremely complex society. A large portion of small business today operates on the franchise system. It was reported in the Wall Street Journal a few years ago that many of the franchise-granting companies require applicants for franchises to take a personality test that is designed to EXCLUDE those who have creativity and initiative, because such persons are not sufficiently docile to go along obediently with the franchise system. This excludes from small business many of the people who most need autonomy.

66. Today people live more by virtue of what the system does FOR them or TO them than by virtue of what they do for themselves. And what they do for themselves is done more and more along channels laid down by the system. Opportunities tend to be those that the system provides, the opportunities must be exploited in accord with rules and regulations [13], and techniques prescribed by experts must be followed if there is to be a chance of success.

67. Thus the power process is disrupted in our society through a deficiency of real goals and a deficiency of autonomy in the pursuit of goals. But it is also disrupted because of those human drives that fall into group 3: the drives that one cannot adequately satisfy no matter how much effort one makes. One of these drives is the need for security. Our lives depend on decisions made by other people; we have no control over these decisions and usually we do not even know the people who make them. ("We live in a world in which relatively few people -- maybe 500 or 1,000 make the important decisions" -- Philip B. Heymann of Harvard Law School, quoted by Anthony Lewis, New York Times, April 21,1995.) Our lives depend on whether safety standards at a nuclear power plant are properly maintained; on how much pesticide is allowed to get into our food or how much pollution into our air; on how skillful (or incompetent) our doctor is; whether we lose or get a job may depend on decisions made by government economists or corporation executives; and so forth. Most individuals are not in a position to secure themselves against these threats to more [than] a very limited extent. The individual's search for security is therefore frustrated, which leads to a sense of powerlessness.

68. It may be objected that primitive man is physically less secure than modern man, as is shown by his shorter life expectancy; hence modern man suffers from less, not more than the amount of insecurity that is normal for human beings. But psychological security does not closely correspond with physical security. What makes us FEEL secure is not so much objective security as a sense of confidence in our ability to take care of ourselves. Primitive man, threatened by a fierce animal or by hunger, can fight in self-defense or travel in search of food. He has no certainty of success in these efforts, but he is by no means helpless against the things that threaten him. The modern individual on the other hand is threatened by many things against which he is helpless: nuclear accidents, carcinogens in food, environmental pollution, war, increasing taxes, invasion of his privacy by large organizations, nationwide social or economic phenomena that may disrupt his way of life.

69. It is true that primitive man is powerless against some of the things that threaten him; disease for example. But he can accept the risk of disease stoically. It is part of the nature of things, it is no one's fault, unless it is the fault of some imaginary, impersonal demon. But threats to the modern individual tend to be MAN-MADE. They are not the results of chance but are IMPOSED on him by other persons whose decisions he, as an individual, is unable to influence. Consequently he feels frustrated, humiliated and angry.

70. Thus primitive man for the most part has his security in his own hands (either as an individual or as a member of a SMALL group) whereas the security of modern man is in the hands of persons or organizations that are too remote or too large for him to be able personally to influence them. So modern man's drive for security tends to fall into groups 1 and 3; in some areas (food, shelter etc.) his security is assured at the cost of only trivial effort, whereas in other areas he CANNOT attain security. (The foregoing greatly simplifies the real situation, but it does indicate in a rough, general way how the condition of modern man differs from that of primitive man.)

71. People have many transitory drives or impulses that are necessarily frustrated in modern life, hence fall into group 3. One may become angry, but modern society cannot permit fighting. In many situations it does not even permit verbal aggression. When going somewhere one may be in a hurry, or one may be in a mood to travel slowly, but one generally has no choice but to move with the flow of traffic and obey the traffic signals. One may want to do one's work in a different way, but usually one can work only according to the rules laid down by one's employer. In many other ways as well, modern man is strapped down by a network of rules and regulations (explicit or implicit) that frustrate many of his impulses and thus interfere with the power process. Most of these regulations cannot be dispensed with, because they are necessary for the functioning of industrial society.

72. Modern society is in certain respects extremely permissive. In matters that are irrelevant to the functioning of the system we can generally do what we please. We can believe in any religion (as long as it does not encourage behavior that is dangerous to the system). We can go to bed with anyone we like (as long as we practice "safe sex"). We can do anything we like as long as it is UNIMPORTANT. But in all IMPORTANT matters the system tends increasingly to regulate our behavior.

bruv.. they would throw you in an insane asylum for getting divorced not too long ago



other things to be thrown into it for:

masturbation
laziness
novel reading
over action of the mind
politics
bad whiskey
egotism

73. Behavior is regulated not only through explicit rules and not only by the government. Control is often exercised through indirect coercion or through psychological pressure or manipulation, and by organizations other than the government, or by the system as a whole. Most large organizations use some form of propaganda [14] to manipulate public attitudes or behavior. Propaganda is not limited to "commercials" and advertisements, and sometimes it is not even consciously intended as propaganda by the people who make it. For instance, the content of entertainment programming is a powerful form of propaganda. An example of indirect coercion: There is no law that says we have to go to work every day and follow our employer's orders. Legally there is nothing to prevent us from going to live in the wild like primitive people or from going into business for ourselves. But in practice there is very little wild country left, and there is room in the economy for only a limited number of small business owners. Hence most of us can survive only as someone else's employee.

74. We suggest that modern man's obsession with longevity, and with maintaining physical vigor and sexual attractiveness to an advanced age, is a symptom of unfulfillment resulting from deprivation with respect to the power process. The "mid-lffe crisis" also is such a symptom. So is the lack of interest in having children that is fairly common in modern society but almost unheard-of in primitive societies.

75. In primitive societies life is a succession of stages. The needs and purposes of one stage having been fulfilled, there is no particular reluctance about passing on to the next stage. A young man goes through the power process by becoming a hunter, hunting not for sport or for fulfillment but to get meat that is necessary for food. (In young women the process is more complex, with greater emphasis on social power; we won't discuss that here.) This phase having been successfully passed through, the young man has no reluctance about settling down to the responsibilities of raising a family. (In contrast, some modern people indefinitely postpone having children because they are too busy seeking some kind of "fulfillment." We suggest that the fulfillment they need is adequate experience of the power process -- with real goals instead of the artificial goals of surrogate activities.) Again, having successfully raised his children, going through the power process by providing them with the physical necessities, the primitive man feels that his work is done and he is prepared to accept old age (if he survives that long) and death. any modern people, on the other hand, are disturbed by the prospect of physical deterioration and death, as is shown by the amount of effort they expend trying to maintain their physical condition, appearance and health. We argue that this is due to unfulfillment resulting from the fact that they have never put their physical powers to any practical use, have never gone through the power process using their bodies in a serious way. It is not the primitive man, who has used his body daily for practical purposes, who fears the deterioration of age, but the modern man, who has never had a practical use for his body beyond walking from his car to his house. It is the man whose need for the power process has been satisfied during his life who is best prepared to accept the end of that life.

76. In response to the arguments of this section someone will say, "Society must find a way to give people the opportunity to go through the power process." For such people the value of the opportunity is destroyed by the very fact that society gives it to them. What they need is to find or make their own opportunities. As long as the system GIVES them their opportunities it still has them on a leash. To attain autonomy they must get off that leash

TLDR;

we evolved to live life in a way that is not compatible with modern society.

Living in this way has caused the mental illnesses, maybe we eventually adapt, more likely humans become engineered product (meds, psych manipulation, hormone manipulation, gene editing etc..)

Correct. Ritalin and adhd meds are a medical attempt at engineering humans to fit into the mold industrial society demands of them. To fix the problem created by modern society. If we didn’t need scientists, doctors, etc.. we would not subject kids to conditions that cause their behavior to be “problematic”

I have a buddy I've know since the 4th grade who blames depression on his problems. Makes excuses for everything.

Him: Haven't taken a shower in 5 days because depression
Me: Just go take a fuking shower. It's not a life decision
Him: makes some kind of exasperated "grunt" sound

Him: I sleep to 11am everyday because I can't sleep at night because of my restless leg syndrome
Me: You should probably go to the doctor and get that checked out. But I think what you call "restless leg syndrome" is your body's way of telling you to get your fat ass up and do something besides lay there.
Him: makes some kind of exasperated "grunt" sound

Him: I don't really do anything everyday.
Me: Maybe you should get a part time job or something.
Him: makes some kind of exasperated "grunt" sound. Then says, I can't be around people. I have social anxiety disorder.
Me: Well if you're not going to get a job. Maybe you should use those $500 powerblocks you bought 3 years ago and start exercising or working out.
Him: I'm planning on it.
Me: You've been saying that for 5 years. It's not something you plan. You just get off your ass and go do it, even if you don't want to. Stop being a lazy bum.
Him: makes some kind of PISSED OFF exasperated "grunt" sound.


He's like a brother to me. However, I've come to the conclusion that you can't help these type of people because they aren't willing to help themselves. They make everything about themselves. Then they complain about their problems. And that's where it ends, it just continues to spiral round and round in a circle. Depression may not be a choice, but your daily actions are a choice. Most people are just fuking lazy.

If he was forced to work for his food and shelter through his own efforts he would most likely not be depressed. Or he would be dead!

Our brains have not evolved from hunter gatherers.

We are out of our league.

Lmao at getting admitted for “women trouble”. Miscers wouldn’t stand a chance!

I'm with you OP. Apparently there's ZERO record of heart disease or people dying from heart disease until the 1830s, when cottonseed oil was introduced into American diets. The guy that wrote a bunch of paleo books (and started the Primal food brand) alleges that pre-historical men stayed in exactly the same muscular & cardiovascular shape from 22 to 66, or up until their time of death.

Nowadays the people I see in their 60s are taking like 12 pills a day for their cholesterol alone.

Bumped for more views and also to ask Duckliver for a link to the source of his passages

Thanks bro. Tried to rep earlier for the posts but on spread.

Because our food is pumped up with so much chit that its making us retarded. Think abck 70 years. No antibiotics, no growth hormones, no preservatives. Everything was fresh. Men's Testosterone was high, womens Estrogen was high and the natural order was at its peak.

Didn't realize the misc was around in 1864

People get like that because they are living some unnatural (and likely immoral) lifestyle that is completely neglecting some basic evolutionary need.

Example:
- woman in early 30s gets in shape
- single, gets pumped & dumped every week by new guy that doesn't care for her beyond hole
- runs marathon, iron man's, etc, even wins a few races

She is addicted to the pain and stress of the physical activity because the pain temporarily simulates the pain of childbirth, which the hormones she takes each month prevents.

She focuses on her career and races, and yet can't figure out why she cries herself to sleep every night.

She goes to her doctor, who says she is anxious and depressed. He gives her addictive antidepressants and benzos to numb herself of the real problem.

She even gets extra breaks at work now for her 'anxiety'.

I think people are living too long. Back in the 1200's, you lived up to your 30's and peace out.