What is this post even saying? 'family species'?

This is babble, and it's nonsensical. How am I supposed to respond to babble?

Felidae is a family of mammals, in casual terms meaning cats, it is not a 'species'. You arent even understanding why I brought up ligers and tigons. Develop a new species? What? Im using that example to illustrate why species, which is a vague term having up to 25ish meanings in biology, has issues when you subscribe to one particular definition (biological species concept) strictly.

Most biologists do not refer to tigers and lions, Panthera tigris and Panthera leo, respectively as the same species. While adhering to strict definition of the 'biological species concept', those rare crossings producing fertile offspring in captivity suggests same species, but since they are clearly quite different animals in a number of ways and do not interbreed in nature (as far Im aware), this suggests indeed calling them the same species is silly. And biologists indeed dont. Overall point: species is a vague term in biology, and can have several definitions depending on the context and need for definition.

Really what we are dealing with here are different genomes among the various organisms living on earth. Categorizing in some cases can be vague, but a fly doesnt successfully mate with an elephant, for example, ultimately resulting from how different those genomes are (and closely associated: how different those organisms are).

Merely saying things doesn make them true. I have to repeat this on here in my posts often, because people just dont get it. Actually yes, polyploid speciation has led to various plant species (understanding species is a vague term), and most importantly, none of this even matters for the conversation of evolution because it is evidenced regardless of whether we observe speciation in recent epochs (we do...).

Paul, you just dont seem to get it, but mere wordy debates like this are not how sound science is refuted. You are at direct odds with most of the biological community, but it doesnt even matter. Rambling on a forum doesnt matter. Scientists will continue to understand humans' correct origins from ancestral ape species, no matter how much you complain about it or 'argue' it. I will await that paradigm shattering published research. Let me know when you publish it, and we'll go from there.

But you say God has to die. The night before, Jesus was crying all night. He didn't want to die. Even to add, in Psalms, it states that Jesus will not be harmed. Even then, what does Jesus dying have to do with saving us? To get rid of sin, killing someone doesn't make any sense. One wrong doesn't cover up another wrong.

Also, God in what sense? The Israelites were called Gods in their language. Jesus and God being one not literally, but in purpose. Jesus clarifies when the Jews wanted to stone him for calling himself God. In another passage, he adds that he will pray that his followers will be one with him and the father (in purpose).

Is Jesus special because he was the begotten son? Well, God has sons by the dozen in the Bible. David is the begotten son of God. Is Jesus special because he had no father? What about Adam, who had neither a father nor mother? Or what about Eve, who came from a man but no woman? What does eternally begotten mean? Eternal and begotten contradict again. You can't be both.

John 17:21-22 (Anyone who follows his way should be one with them)
Spoiler!

John 10:24-36 (Being called God is the language; just like people refer to themselves as king, they aren't the absolute king)
Spoiler!

Dying isn't an attribute of God. He's the eternal. Who resurrected him if he died?
God doesn't serve anyone; he doesn't become a servant. It destroys the meaning of God.

So, is Jesus then one third of God from that example? An eggshell is not an egg.

The entire notion of species is, imo, a human construction. Really, we just had continual genetic divergence. We tend to cluster things, but it's more of a loose heuristic than an absolute partition. It's like asking when do a bunch of grains of sand become a "pile".

We can't find a definition of species that satisfies a nontrivial equivalence relation and still remotely resembles classical notions of "species".

Epics offer wisdom of good and evil. LotR is not so useless.

In the rest of the chapter, it shows he was talking to children, who probably did not know he claimed he was God.

Absolutely; this is very important. Over 90% of the manuscripts come from the 9th century onwards.

How do we even know what Jesus said for certainty when we don't even have the original?

He spoke Aramaic and his disciples were laymen fishermen. Yet, the book today was translated from Greek (which again is an issue).

No..Mark 10:18 is showing that the man acknowledges that Jesus is God. Jesus isn't directly commenting on the sentiment expressed in the statement. Rather, He's prompting the man to consider who deserves to be called "good."

For only One is "Good". Jesus is showing the man that if only God is good, the rich young man cannot be good. If he can't be good, how can he earn eternal life? Matthew's wording supports this interpretation: "He said to him, 'Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good'" (Matthew 19:17). No matter how "good" we are, we will never be sinless (Romans 3:23).

You must read Matthew's account of the same story to understand Mark's..context Wincel..context

No. The guy is directly calling Jesus good, and Jesus is arguing he isn't and only God is.

And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

That was the previous part. It's pretty clear that Jesus is saying that there is only one truly Good dude and that is God. And he then reminds the dude to follow his God's autocratic dicta.

Jesus gets butthurt because his Nazi commander is the only one fit to be labeled Gawdddd.

again, you keep ignoring the fact that God set aside His Deity.

Philippians 2:5-8

“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”

God did not "want" to die here, because Jesus became a man, and took on what makes us humanistic.

I also see you aren't really responding to the Scriptures I post, nor the fact that man cannot die for the world's sin..only God..is there a reason for this?

Does God have a God?

John 20:17
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”Firstly according to the Bible, anyone hung on a cross is cursed.

And the verses aren't going to help because you're saying God knows everything all the time and at a time, he doesn't. Which one is it?

No.
Jesus understands that all true goodness comes from God. He’s saying, “When you call me good, do you really know what you’re saying? If I am good in the ultimate sense, it’s because I am not merely a good person; it’s because I am God in human flesh.” So when Jesus says, “Why do you call me good?” he’s asking the question, “Do you really know who you are talking to? And do you really know what you are saying?”

1. Why do you call me good?

2. No one is good except God

The only piece of information that Jesus gave is this: No one is good but God.

There are 2 ways to understand his statement:

Only God is good.

I am not good.

Therefore, I am not God.

or

Only God is good.

I am good.

Therefore, I am God.

Was Jesus Good? Yes..

If you keep reading, Jesus sheds some light on what he meant.

Jesus answers the man’s original question about obtaining eternal life with this: “You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.'”

The man responds :”Teacher, I have kept all of these since I was a boy.”

Then Jesus finishes with: “One thing you lack. Go, sell everything you have then come, follow me.”

You do not follow one that is not good..“Sell your possessions and follow me.” In other words, “Your god is your money. Get rid of that and follow me.” Jesus is equating obeying the moral law with following himself. The manner in which men can obtain eternal life is by getting rid of the false gods in their lives and following Jesus–replacing them with Him

Agree about human construction. Once we set out definition (pile of sand: >1,000,000 grains), we then have to play by the rules of that definition. A group of 1,235,321 is then a pile. So in biology, if we set some definition of species (e.g. strict biological species concept: 'capabable'period, in captivity or wherever, of producing viable fertile offspring when crossed), we must abide by that, and in the case of tigers and lions call them the same species. But there is no deep meaning to that, it's just us using that definition.

Life on earth is just genetic divergence over billions of years as you said. Humans like to classify things, and using various useful definitions of species does make communication easier. That a rabbit and a shark arent the same species is clear, if we want the term species to have any sort of practicality.

Nit sure if trolling or not..yes..God was cursed with our sin..it's why we are able to attain salvation through Him.
Again..ignoring Scripture that goes against your narrative is pretty revealing. God gave up His Divineness and became as a man, showing us how to live...how to pray, how to act, how to love..as a man. ..


“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”



...but EMPTIED Himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”

Maybe God has a God. Maybe there is a hierarchy of Gods. Now, suppose we have an arbitrary chain of Gods, if we had some way to establish that there is an upper bound God that is the God to all Gods in the chain, we could proceed. Luckily, we do. Consider the flying spaghetti monster whose noodly appendages each touch a single God in the chain. Clearly, this is an upper bound God as his noodly majesty is the God of the Gods in the chain. Ok so since each chain has an upper bound, there exists a maximal element by Zorn's Lemma. But that maximal element may not be unique. Because there may be alternate pasta worlds answering to different spaghetti monsters. And pasta, at least spaghetti, is flat before it is cooked. Therefore, we conclude that the Earth is flat. QED.

I'm really not that's not my intent. I am seriously trying to understand how is Jesus God. Like, if he is, I'd be the first to say that Christianity is the correct way. But we say God is all knowing and Jesus doesn't know something at a time, it doesn't make sense. God is eternal and Jesus was begotten. They just contradict.wat.png

Nothing you posted refutes what I stated..lions, cats, and their mixed offspring still belong to the family of cats..as well if you cross different kinds of plants..it will never be anything but a plant.

The fossil record shows this over and over again..you have no examples of a cat becoming anything but a cat...it's really that simple, and no amount of word jargon is going to change that..

bruh that is the most schizophrenic way to interpret that discussion...

I edited it to fix the proof and clarify a step.

Again..God gave up..emptied Himself of His Divinity..He declared over and over to be God, His followers acknowledged it so, His Death proved it so..

but I'll tell you what, the second part of your post relates to the discussion with others..what do humans beget? Are we capable of begetting/procreating anything other than Humans? Can cats beget anything other than cats..?

See where this is going..?
What does God beget?

Also, Paul. Your version of "Why you call me good? CUZ I IS, BABY!!" ain't exactly a humble look. That's a pretty arrogant thing for Jesus to say. But hey, for a dude who claimed to be the instrument of God...

Jesus was leading the man to an obvious conclusion..Since you call me Good, and only One is Good..I am God. it's what Jews often do..rather than answer a direct question..they lead someone down a series of questions that will ultimately reveal the answer and make it obvious for the one asking.

I Was raised in a Jewish household..it got annoying.

I don't want to know how you play with yourself Wincel.

Quran 23:91
Allah has never had ˹any˺ offspring, nor is there any god besides Him. Otherwise, each god would have taken away what he created, and they would have tried to dominate one another. Glorified is Allah above what they claim!

Tbh I like discussing theology lol so not sure if trolling

I'm Muslim so we share a commonality with Christians and the person who Jesus was, hence, why I like talking theology and with them in a respectful manner. Not here to bash Christianity at all @ChristianBrahs so if you feel that way, forgive me.

We have a lot more in common than our differences (although the big issue is Jesus really and if he has any divinity vs is he a Prophet sent from God). We agree on a lot and affirm all the old Prophets (Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, David, Solomon, Jonah, John, and Jesus, and all the others Peace and Blessing Be Upon them All). I guess the difference is they were all Prophets sent with the exact one same message - worship one God and only one God and stay away from false Gods.I think the issue is then he no longer is God in that moment. And we agree that God knows everything all the time. He is never ignorant of knowledge.

So, were you brought up on the Jewish faith?

And here I thought Derrida invented the notion of bsing and twisting words to mean the literal opposite of their intent.



Turns out you bible thumpers were masters of bsing long before.

I'm an atheist, and your book says to kill me.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also, I don't believe in the Bible, but in my reading critically, I have concluded that Satan is the hero standing against the tyrant God.

Gen1:26

"And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness:"

Whom do you think God is speaking to here?

Rev 1:8

"I Am the Alpha and Omega"

That is Jesus speaking..do you understanding the meaning of Alpha and Omega?

Bro do you not know how to use "Who/Whom"? Second time...Put a "To" in front.

incorrect
https://ielts.com.au/australia/prepa...01-who-vs-whom

please, don't lecture anyone about anything..you are literally (yes..that is correct) wrong about everything.

You're retarded bro.

"Whom do you think God is speaking to here?"

should be either

"With/To whom do you think God is speaking here?"

OR

"Who do you think God is speaking to here?"

Urine idiot.

Derrida was just an outcast who ran day game because he could not earn high class for his family.