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Originally Posted By JUSA
Something like 250-500k flu deaths worldwide annually, iirc. One thing you are wrong about - 1.2 million Americans did not die FROM Covid in the past two years, 1.2 mil Americans died WITH Covid, a not minor discrepancy with your post.

To what extent the 1.2 million dead Americans who died while having Covid, who were on average 78 years old, 80% obese and with an average of 2.8 comorbidities, but we do not know specifically in each individual case how large or small the role of Covid played towards their deaths.
Hey now!!!! Why are you mentioning the details of those who died with covid? Let's just use a blanket number, and not investigate the health, or age of those who died.

Let's not talk about how a five foot, 2 inch 400lb behemoth Reeeeeeeeeeed at the Chipotle employees, because I wasn't wearing a mask.
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Originally Posted By JUSA
Something like 250-500k flu deaths worldwide annually, iirc. One thing you are wrong about - 1.2 million Americans did not die FROM Covid in the past two years, 1.2 mil Americans died WITH Covid, a not minor discrepancy with your post.

To what extent the 1.2 million dead Americans who died while having Covid, who were on average 78 years old, 80% obese and with an average of 2.8 comorbidities, but we do not know specifically in each individual case how large or small the role of Covid played towards their deaths.
No, evidence suggests covid deaths are at least as high as official counts in the US.

To your second point, there are numerous studies that have quantified years of life lost, accounting for age. You’re talking 20-30 million years the first year of the pandemic alone, worldwide. The idea that covid only kills people on death’s door is bull**** and it unjustly dismisses the burden of this virus.
"Seen in the light of evolution, biology is, perhaps, intellectually the most satisfying and inspiring science. Without that light it becomes a pile of sundry facts -- some of them interesting or curious but making no meaningful picture as a whole."
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Originally Posted By Reliance012
To your second point, there are numerous studies that have quantified years of life lost, accounting for age. You’re talking 20-30 million years the first year of the pandemic alone, worldwide. The idea that covid only kills people on death’s door is bull**** and it unjustly dismisses the burden of this virus.
I only stated the truth, why you are upset about it is beyond me.

The average age of people who died of/with Covid is 78. The average person who died of/with Covid had an 80% chance of being obese or morbidly obese. On average, those who died of/with Covid had 2.8 comorbidities.

Where I said, "Covid only kills people on death's door!", I actually didn't find that anywhere in my post. Where'd you get that? Or did you intentionally take a very strong stance (one I did not take), then attribute it to me saying it and then refute the strong stance I did not state in order to make it look like you got a point on me in your imagination?

Now, while covid does not *only* kill those on death's door, it is largely only a significant threat to people who are immunocompromised. Young healthy people who are not obese (and I would argue anyone obese is not healthy anyway), but those people were not at any significant risk of dying from or with covid. The fact that off all covid deaths, those under the age of 18 made up roughly 1,000 in total - and there, we do not know the individual health of each of them (my strong guess, every one of those 1,000 were at risk for something, anyway. Obese, grossly obese or with some disease).

Maybe in your mind it's only healthy people dying from covid and covid can kill anyone at any time, lurking in the shadows, striking suddenly and anyone is at the same risk as anyone else, but that's not how the statistics play out. Btw, like how I made up a silly stupid exaggerated argument and pretended you said it?

Last, I only quoted and addressed your commenting on my second point, as you clearly misinterpreted the first one I made (guess that means twice in one post for you).
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Originally Posted By Paul
The virus does not die at 6ft Pat. And once again..a a mask has no effect on viral transmission. The virus is .125 microns and N95 masks have pore holes of .3 microns and surgical masks have pore holes ranging from 16 to 140 microns and droplets around .2 microns can be atomized and have a hang time in cloud form for 6-40 hours..explain how you think a mask is effective...

Also back in May of 2020 the CDC released the results of 14 individual studies conducted by various universities and medical institutions on the effectiveness of the mask in preventing the spread or preventing contracting the influenza virus, which is 220 nm's on average. The results were all the same. Neither did the mask slow down or prevent the spread of the virus nor did it prevent or slow down the infection rate of the virus. So if the masks do nothing for the influenza virus why would it be effective against a much smaller virus?

CDC- Volume 26, Number 5—May 2020
Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures


https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article


“In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25)”



Explain...
The left just puts their fingers in their ears when you talk about mask pore hole size and virus size...
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Originally Posted By Reliance012
No, evidence suggests covid deaths are at least as high as official counts in the US.

To your second point, there are numerous studies that have quantified years of life lost, accounting for age. You’re talking 20-30 million years the first year of the pandemic alone, worldwide. The idea that covid only kills people on death’s door is bull**** and it unjustly dismisses the burden of this virus.
If it was up to you, would you make booster shots mandatory? What a stupid question for me to ask, of course you would.

How long were you holed up inside, before you finally put on two masks, and latex gloves with a face shield to go outside?
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Originally Posted By nutsy54
Wow. There's is literally nothing accurate in that post

US annual flu deaths typically range from 20,000 to 40,000. Even if you look worldwide, it's estimated at 1/2 million.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815659/

1.2 million Americans have died from Covid during the past two years combined, not 2.7 million per year.

The 2021-2022 flue season saw on the order of 5,000 American deaths, not 0.
What’s funny is you’re gonna see this thing even out. 20k-60k deaths from
Flu a year WITH vaccine available and nobody gave a ****. 60k deaths killing both kids and old people and nobody cared. As the norm sets in with covid likely gonna a eee those same numbers annually. Meaning covid all along was just the flu. The flu before a vaccine was readily available
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Originally Posted By JUSA
I only stated the truth, why you are upset about it is beyond me.
And that's another thing... This cult like following that the Rona has. Its almost like its something to be defended at all costs.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster
And that's another thing... This cult like following that the Rona has. Its almost like its something to be defended at all costs.
Speaking of which...where the hell is Stoolie?
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Originally Posted By Polaris
Speaking of which...where the hell is Stoolie?
Has anyone checked the national myocarditis list? I mean you know he's had at least 5 needles by now...
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster
And that's another thing... This cult like following that the Rona has. Its almost like its something to be defended at all costs.
Exactly. They are pro-covid
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Originally Posted By Polaris
Speaking of which...where the hell is Stoolie?
Dunno, but God DAMN Stoolie loved him some fuking Rona!
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Originally Posted By JUSA
Something like 250-500k flu deaths worldwide annually, iirc. One thing you are wrong about - 1.2 million Americans did not die FROM Covid in the past two years, 1.2 mil Americans died WITH Covid, a not minor discrepancy with your post.

To what extent the 1.2 million dead Americans who died while having Covid, who were on average 78 years old, 80% obese and with an average of 2.8 comorbidities, but we do not know specifically in each individual case how large or small the role of Covid played towards their deaths.
Yet during the same period, the US saw roughly 1.2 million more deaths than normal (I've frequently posted the sources and facts behind that statement).

So it's still obvious that 1.2 million Americans are dead from/with/whatever Covid in the past two years, who'd otherwise be alive. Then back to the thread topic, it's also been repeatedly shown that the vast majority of those deaths are Unvaccinated (whether they occurred prior to vaccine availability, or more importantly now with vaccines that some people will still bizarrely claim "don't work").
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Originally Posted By tunejunkie
What’s funny is you’re gonna see this thing even out. 20k-60k deaths from
Flu a year WITH vaccine available and nobody gave a ****. 60k deaths killing both kids and old people and nobody cared. As the norm sets in with covid likely gonna a eee those same numbers annually. Meaning covid all along was just the flu. The flu before a vaccine was readily available
How are you normalizing or equating 600K annualized Covid deaths with 60K flue deaths?
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Originally Posted By nutsy54
How are you normalizing or equating 600K annualized Covid deaths with 60K flue deaths?
Reading comprehension is hard for you
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Originally Posted By nutsy54
Yet during the same period, the US saw roughly 1.2 million more deaths than normal (I've frequently posted the sources and facts behind that statement).

So it's still obvious that 1.2 million Americans are dead from/with/whatever Covid in the past two years, who'd otherwise be alive. Then back to the thread topic, it's also been repeatedly shown that the vast majority of those deaths are Unvaccinated (whether they occurred prior to vaccine availability, or more importantly now with vaccines that some people will still bizarrely claim "don't work").
Gonna get that 5th jab this winter?
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Originally Posted By nutsy54
Yet during the same period, the US saw roughly 1.2 million more deaths than normal (I've frequently posted the sources and facts behind that statement).

So it's still obvious that 1.2 million Americans are deadfrom/with/whateverCovid in the past two years, who'd otherwise be alive. Then back to the thread topic, it's also been repeatedly shown that the vast majority of those deaths are Unvaccinated (whether they occurred prior to vaccine availability, or more importantly now with vaccines that some people will still bizarrely claim "don't work").
Originally Posted By nutsy54
How are you normalizing or equating 600K annualized Covid deaths with 60K flue deaths?
Because there is a difference between FROM and WITH.

Fauci himself even explained it...
Originally Posted By Dr.
"And what we mean by that — if a child goes in the hospital, they automatically get tested for COVID. And they get counted as a COVID-hospitalized individual. When in fact, they may go in for a broken leg or appendicitis or something like that. So it’s overcounting the number of children who are, quote,'hospitalized with COVID,' as opposed to because of COVID."

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/...s-129807429857
When you count WITH then it inflates the numbers.. Ergo those statistics of "Zomg 9 million covid deaths per week!" are wrong.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster
Because there is a difference between FROM and WITH.

Fauci himself even explained it...

When you count WITH then it inflates the numbers.. Ergo those statistics of "Zomg 9 million covid deaths per week!" are wrong.
His argument, which I think is pretty weak, is that deaths were up as well -- but what Nutsy did not address, that AFTER the brunt of the pandemic, deaths are STILL way up, in fact higher still.

So, if covid was causing all these deaths, as he implies, then how come now that it isn't causing deaths, people are still dying more?

Almost as if locking up indoors, avoiding the sun like you're a vampire, closing gyms, hiding in fear in the dark, avoiding social interactions and taking experimental jabs somehow are not good for people's health. Huh, who could have guessed that???
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster
Because there is a difference between FROM and WITH.

Fauci himself even explained it...



When you count WITH then it inflates the numbers.. Ergo those statistics of "Zomg 9 million covid deaths per week!" are wrong.
Funny how the anti-vaxxers have to keep re-posting Fauci quotes as if that has anything to do with anything. Let me explain it for the last time (I'm sure you'll post the same unrelated quote again). Just because people went to the hospital for something else and tested positive doesn't mean that everyone who died FROM covid, died WITH covid.

Nutsy comes in and backs up his claims with links and proof and you morons respond with idiotic chit like "you gonna get your 1674343 jab?!?!??? Hurr durr some people tested positive for covid in the hospital and Fauci admitted it!!!!!!"
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Originally Posted By NYPat
Funny how the anti-vaxxers have to keep re-posting Fauci quotes as if that has anything to do with anything. Let me explain it for the last time (I'm sure you'll post the same unrelated quote again). Just because people went to the hospital for something else and tested positive doesn't mean that everyone who died FROM covid, died WITH covid.

Nutsy comes in and backs up his claims with links and proof and you morons respond with idiotic chit like "you gonna get your 1674343 jab?!?!??? Hurr durr some people tested positive for covid in the hospital and Fauci admitted it!!!!!!"
Did Howard Stearn, 99 year old, cancer ridden father, die from Covid, or with Covid? And are you going tonget your 5th jab this winter?
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster
And that's another thing... This cult like following that the Rona has. Its almost like its something to be defended at all costs.
Case in point.
Originally Posted By NYPat
Funny how the anti-vaxxers have to keep re-posting Fauci quotes as if that has anything to do with anything. Let me explain it for the last time (I'm sure you'll post the same unrelated quote again).Just because people went to the hospital for something else and tested positive doesn't mean that everyone who died FROM covid, died WITH covid.

Nutsy comes in and backs up his claims with links and proof and you morons respond with idiotic chit like "you gonna get your 1674343 jab?!?!??? Hurr durr some people tested positive for covid in the hospital and Fauci admitted it!!!!!!"
No shiit they don't die FROM covid - that's only the whole point simpleton. They are counted as if they are - Fauci himself even said they were overcounted ffs..

Which of course delights the living shiit out of Ronaholics like you because you can then go online and queef about it... "Forty three million covid deaths every single day you anti science bigot!"
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Originally Posted By NYPat
Just because people went to the hospital for something else and tested positive doesn't mean that everyone who died FROM covid, died WITH covid.
This is more for Nutsy, who unlike you is intelligent, is not a liar and can debate without being a dork.

- You can not say that every single person who died with covid died from it. A lot of people do this and keep doing it even when corrected. They list the numbers, 1.2 million or whatever it is in the USA, and use that to kind of paint this picture that Covid killed 1,200,000,000 people.

- I simply refute that. We don't know. We do not know how many of them died directly because of covid, we do not know how many were already very sick and may have died anyway, we do not know if some of them died for completely unrelated reasons to covid and simply happened to have covid at the time of death.

This is not me saying NOBODY died of covid. Many did.

What we do know, and I won't spam the statistics again, but those who died WITH covid were on average the same group of people who would often die every year. The average age of death of anyone with covid was slightly higher than the average age of death, most of them were like Pat and obese or grossly obese and on average they had multiple comorbidities.

Meaning, on average the people who died with covid were elderly, sickly and weak.

We can hypothesize all we want now but it's speculation. Some probably would have been fine, got Covid and then died because they were elderly/weak. That is a covid death and I am sure of the 1.2mil many of them were like that.

What I am just saying: You and anyone else who does it, stop saying covid killed 1.2million people in the US. It didn't.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster
Case in point.



No shiit they don't die FROM covid - that's only the whole point simpleton. They are counted as if they are - Fauci himself even said they were overcounted ffs..

Which of course delights the living shiit out of Ronaholics like you because you can then go online and queef about it... "Forty three million covid deaths every single day you anti science bigot!"
In some sick, twisted way, I truly believe that they love this ****, that during all of it, this, in their head, was the best time of their life. It made them feel important, self righteous, that they believed they did the right thing, and could lecture others.

Like, "I" got the vaccine, "I" did my part, the unvaccinated? They're backwards, they're not doing their part, they're prolonging everything, they're going to bring about a new, super, duper variant, etc. They should be locked away in camps!!!!
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster
Case in point.



No shiit they don't die FROM covid - that's only the whole point simpleton. They are counted as if they are - Fauci himself even said they were overcounted ffs..

Which of course delights the living shiit out of Ronaholics like you because you can then go online and queef about it... "Forty three million covid deaths every single day you anti science bigot!"
You're a certified retard.

The flu kills people with underlying conditions - counts as a flu death.

Covid kills people with underlying conditions (AND OTHERS WHO DO NOT) - died WITH covid not from covid.






Originally Posted By JUSA
This is more for Nutsy, who unlike you is intelligent, is not a liar and can debate without being a dork.
You realize your post history is available to everyone right? And you want to accuse me of not being an intelligent debater? Maybe I should show everyone my CP comments?..

And yes, 1.2 million people died FROM covid - until you prove otherwise because covid related death certificates say otherwise.

Keep in mind Dave is the one who made the blanket claim that healthy young people didn't need the vaccine. Which I responded to because, of course, he's wrong, just like you and the rest of the morons who keep posting Fauci's quote as if that proves ANYTHING about deaths FROM covid.







Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
In some sick, twisted way, I truly believe that they love this ****, that during all of it, this, in their head, was the best time of their life. It made them feel important, self righteous, that they believed they did the right thing, and could lecture others.

Like, "I" got the vaccine, "I" did my part, the unvaccinated? They're backwards, they're not doing their part, they're prolonging everything, they're going to bring about a new, super, duper variant, etc. They should be locked away in camps!!!!
Speak of the moron with the world's worst memory..
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Oh and by the way, this "died WITH covid" argument is the same exact argument you hear from election deniers. They just KNOW there was fraud yet can't post ANY proof at all, yet act like everyone else is an idiot for not believing that crap.
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Originally Posted By NYPat
You realize your post history is available to everyone right? And you want to accuse me of not being an intelligent debater? Maybe I should show everyone my CP comments?..

And yes, 1.2 million people died FROM covid - until you prove otherwise because covid related death certificates say otherwise.

Keep in mind Dave is the one who made the blanket claim that healthy young people didn't need the vaccine. Which I responded to because, of course, he's wrong, just like you and the rest of the morons who keep posting Fauci's quote as if that proves ANYTHING about deaths FROM covid.
1) Unlike you, I can have a normal discussion with people I disagree with and not spurge out, go through my post history all you want.

2) Show the user CP comments again, seems like you forgot whoever was running that account already did that back in August.

3) No, 1.2million people did not die FROM covid, nobody of any importance or relevance thinks that, Dr. Fauci himself set that record straight. From the start, they fuked up (and who knows why there) but if someone had covid when they died, they erroneously attributed that as a covid death. That was a mistake, one that stupid people like you continue to willfully make.

You're too much of a pigheaded clown to change your mind there, but thankfully you're a dying breed on that one.
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Originally Posted By JUSA
1) Unlike you, I can have a normal discussion with people I disagree with and not spurge out, go through my post history all you want.

2) Show the user CP comments again, seems like you forgot whoever was running that account already did that back in August.

3) No, 1.2million people did not die FROM covid, nobody of any importance or relevance thinks that, Dr. Fauci himself set that record straight. From the start, they fuked up (and who knows why there) but if someone had covid when they died, they erroneously attributed that as a covid death. That was a mistake, one that stupid people like you continue to willfully make.

You're too much of a pigheaded clown to change your mind there, but thankfully you're a dying breed on that one.
1) Lmfao at thinking you can post without "spurging out" when you agree with your fellow cultists. Take a look at your post history when responding to anyone on the left..

2) I took a break from this cesspool, and you showed up at least three times in my CP.. and once more when I started posting again. Not a stalker though right Mr Intelligent?

3) Yes, 1.2 million people died FROM covid. No one cares what you think about Dr Fauci because you're a cult member anti-vaxxer. Someone who thinks that if there was ANY change in message when dealing with the NOVEL coronavirus, it meant that they're... fill in any and all CT nonsense.

AGAIN, POST PROOF OF YOUR CLAIM OR STFU.
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Originally Posted By ymer
nutsy54 has always been a cuck for the government, he has no personal opinions, whatever is the official narrative, that's what he supports.

I have never understood why he had some cult following him. Must be other cucks.

I specifically remember Bushmaster and Dave22reborn always supporting that cuck.
That was back in the day when the left and the right actually discussed things normally. Both sides posted links to support their claims or they were negged. But since a certain orange moron showed up things have... changed. And ironically those people think Dems and rinos are clown world..
post 1669072343 10-07-2022, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted By NYPat
1) Lmfao at thinking you can post without "spurging out" when you agree with your fellow cultists. Take a look at your post history when responding to anyone on the left..

2) I took a break from this cesspool, and you showed up at least three times in my CP.. and once more when I started posting again. Not a stalker though right Mr Intelligent?

3) Yes, 1.2 million people died FROM covid. No one cares what you think about Dr Fauci because you're a cult member anti-vaxxer. Someone who thinks that if there was ANY change in message when dealing with the NOVEL coronavirus, it meant that they're... fill in any and all CT nonsense.

AGAIN, POST PROOF OF YOUR CLAIM OR STFU.
Sure thing, Sillie. Me, I am at least capable of having a conversation w/ someone from the left. You can not only do that, you can't do it with a single account while having multiple.

3) No, nobody thinks that. Even the sources that think the numbers are fairly close to 1.2mil (and maybe they are right) but even they think at least 10% of "with or from covid" deaths were not caused by covid. If you weren't a moron, we'd be having a civil conversation and debating whether it's 10% or maybe upwards of 20% and I would probably be conceding to the 10% argument.
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