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Thread: Are vaxcels ever gonna admit they were grifted?

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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Lol at arguing with Reliance012, the pharma shill who refuses to answer legitimate questions. You might as well argue with wincel or JLC.

I still haven't received an answer for how much the jab is supposed to improve my chance of survival if my chance of survival is already 99.7%.

Gee, maybe this is why Norway and Denmark banned the jab for people who aren't senior citizens..

Then he claims deaths are undercounted, meanwhile in this liberal chithole city of Santa Clara, they publish an article saying their covid death toll was OVERCOUNTED by 20% from a CURSORY review.

https://sanjosespotlight.com/santa-c...hs-by-over-20/

Less than 10% of people who died from covid had no underlying issues.



Being marked a covid death when dying with covid rather than of covid:

Wizard. This was the video o was looking for. I’m trying to find the other part of this presser where she clarifies that if someone is hit by a bus or car they’re counted as a covid death.

She’s literally a doctor and a top health official and she’s stating how they are lying
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Lol at arguing with Reliance012, the pharma shill who refuses to answer legitimate questions. You might as well argue with wincel or JLC.

I still haven't received an answer for how much the jab is supposed to improve my chance of survival if my chance of survival is already 99.7%.

Gee, maybe this is why Norway and Denmark banned the jab for people who aren't senior citizens..

Then he claims deaths are undercounted, meanwhile in this liberal chithole city of Santa Clara, they publish an article saying their covid death toll was OVERCOUNTED by 20% from a CURSORY review.

https://sanjosespotlight.com/santa-c...hs-by-over-20/

Less than 10% of people who died from covid had no underlying issues.



Being marked a covid death when dying with covid rather than of covid:

Pretty sure you’re that guy who couldn’t calculate relative reduction, and I had to correct you. And the vaccine would improve your chances of survival by > 50% conservatively.

I’m not going go through the rest of your random collection of long refuted talking points. I’ve done it over and over. It’s a strategy of throwing **** against the wall.

I’ve explained how deaths are counted by CDC, and provided their guidelines for what constitutes a C19 death on the certificate.

You’ve yet to explain, exactly how, a “with covid” but not from covid death could be tabulated in the provisional CDC count. I want an explanation of how, based on their counting methodology, that would happen.

You’ve also yet to explain excess deaths, the temporal pattern of those excess deaths, and how vaccine effectiveness against mortality can be so high (particularly early on) if unrelated deaths were being attributed to covid.
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Originally Posted By tunejunkie⏩
Wizard. This was the video o was looking for. I’m trying to find the other part of this presser where she clarifies that if someone is hit by a bus or car they’re counted as a covid death.

She’s literally a doctor and a top health official and she’s stating how they are lying
And of course he'll ignore all of this. He's the type to medicate an obese person, instead of recommending that they lose weight.

Which is something that should be promoted more than ever after all of this. Our leaders everywhere should be promoting health, and fitness, to combat the next virus, or the flu, etc.

I mean, if 80% of deaths were people who were obese, with numerous pre-exisiting conditions, shouldn't that be a wake up call?
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Originally Posted By tunejunkie⏩
Wizard. This was the video o was looking for. I’m trying to find the other part of this presser where she clarifies that if someone is hit by a bus or car they’re counted as a covid death.

She’s literally a doctor and a top health official and she’s stating how they are lying
In part playing Devil's Advocate, but I actually also do recognize this, okay only 10% of people who died with/of covid did not have underlying issues (this was for all of Illinois? We can probably safely extrapolate that more-or-less to everywhere).

That doesn't mean someone who was already sick with something that weakened them, had they not gotten covid -- for all we know they might have had their other issue under some control.

Meaning, you can not just say that the 90% who died all died because of their underlying issues when they got covid.

I would like to nail down what "underlying issues" is, first off. Stage IV Cancer is an underlying issue, but high blood pressure or being a type 2 diabetic probably are as well, and plenty of people have the later two and are not going to die anytime soon.

btw, with your debate w/ Reliance -- you keep quoting 99.7%. I assume you just got that from your age bracket. Keep in mind, within that, the people at risk and dying in your age bracket -- almost all of them are people who are obese or already sick somehow.

Let's say you're 50 and the age bracket risk puts you like at a 99.3% recovery (guessing, I'd have to check, but for arguments sake). Well, if you're 50 and otherwise pretty healthy, like a lot of posters here - do exercise, eat right, not fatties, then your true risk is much, much lower still.

This disease - it's not going after lean, healthy people who exercise and are in good shape.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
In part playing Devil's Advocate, but I actually also do recognize this, okay only 10% of people who died with/of covid did not have underlying issues (this was for all of Illinois? We can probably safely extrapolate that more-or-less to everywhere).

That doesn't mean someone who was already sick with something that weakened them, had they not gotten covid -- for all we know they might have had their other issue under some control.

Meaning, you can not just say that the 90% who died all died because of their underlying issues when they got covid.

I would like to nail down what "underlying issues" is, first off. Stage IV Cancer is an underlying issue, but high blood pressure or being a type 2 diabetic probably are as well, and plenty of people have the later two and are not going to die anytime soon.
My point was more to the 2nd video where she admits to cooking the books.
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Originally Posted By tunejunkie⏩
My point was more to the 2nd video where she admits to cooking the books.
Oh, I just watched the first. Whoops. Let me watch that one, that sounds a lot more interesting...
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
You're calling me out on something as simple as relative risk reduction, meanwhile you're telling me that if I have a 99.7% chance of survival, taking the jab is going to increase my chance of survival by 50%?How does that math work exactly?



Of course you aren't, because you have no explanation for any of it. It's not a strategy of throwing **** against the wall, it's merely 3 simple talking points that would take you five minutes to answer if you actually had an answer for any of it. The aren't long refuted either, you've never refuted them, dumbass.



The doctor I posted a video of, is a Harvard MD who is saying exactly what I'm saying as a director of public health for Illinois. Maybe you should write her an email and ask her how it happened?



Excess deaths spiked after vaccines were introduced. Why do you think CEOs of insurance companies have come forward saying there has been a 40% increase in all cause mortality? Because of COVID? No, they clearly said the majority of the increase has nothing to do with covid, and many of the deaths don't even have a cited cause. The increase in mortality they cite is from the 18-64 age group.

If you want an explanation read these articles.

https://denisrancourt.ca/entries.php...ter_in_the_usa

https://denisrancourt.ca/entries.php...nes_in_the_usa
It’s a relative reduction you idiot. Relative.

No, deaths started spiking well before the vaccine. 2020 had 450k more deaths than 2019.

Vaccine causing mortality? That’d be the easiest thing in the world to demonstrate. We have the largest sample size in medical history to work with. Not once, even in sample sizes in the millions, has the vaccine been significantly associated with mortality when you adjust for confounders. If it is causing death, the effect is literally so weak it doesn’t differentiate itself from random chance even amongst millions.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
It’s a relative reduction you idiot. Relative.

No, deaths started spiking well before the vaccine. 2020 had 450k more deaths than 2019.

Vaccine causing mortality? That’d be the easiest thing in the world to demonstrate. We have the largest sample size in medical history to work with. Not once, even in sample sizes in the millions, has the vaccine been significantly associated with mortality when you adjust for confounders. If it is causing death, the effect is literally so weak it doesn’t differentiate itself from random chance in even amongst millions.
I’m not getting into the all cause debate.


However. Do you have officials and public health counting deaths as vaccine deaths if they happened to die with vaccine in their system or shortly after taking vaccine?

Hospitals getting substantial amounts of money to count hospitalizations as vaccine hospitizations?

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Originally Posted By tunejunkie⏩
I’m not getting into the all cause debate.


However. Do you have officials and public health counting deaths as vaccine deaths if they happened to die with vaccine in their system or shortly after taking vaccine?

Hospitals getting substantial amounts of money to count hospitalizations as vaccine hospitizations?

Asking for a friend
Thsts what I mean though, a healthy 18 year gets the jab, and dies 2-3 weeks later, and what's that going to count as?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Thsts what I mean though, a healthy 18 year gets the jab, and dies 2-3 weeks later, and what's that going to count as?
These doctors making the decision for the death certificates…..are these the same ones who will get fired and blackballed for not being in lockstep with the “safe & effective” narrative?

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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
The CDC has clear instructions on when to put C19 on the death certificate. The physician must believe that the virus played a probable role in contributing to death. So outside of anomalies, no one dying and hitting their head is ending up as a covid death on the CDC provisional tally.

People who argue that C19 deaths are overcounted want us to believe that physicians were lying, and on some widespread scale started unjustly contributing the cause of death as covid with no medical evidence. AND, that somehow a majority of the 450k excess deaths in the first year alone were unrelated to C19. And that somehow those excess deaths happened to temporary correlate with the frequency of the virus. It also doesn’t explain the high vaccine effectiveness against mortality (the relative reduction for mortality would be low if large numbers of people were dying from unrelated causes but the death was being attributed to C19).
CDc ain't got no jurisdiction here buddy. You lot saw that our medical records, along with manyother things, were separted some 250 years ago.

So again, I've seen a death certificate label cause #1 as Covid but then go on to "drunk, hit head on floor" and we know that other deaths were counted that way.

Now again, this isn't to say that no one, or only a few people, died of Covid, but doesn't that seem make you pause to consider how much the numbers truly reflect what you expect?
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Originally Posted By TheJimmyRustler⏩
So again, I've seen a death certificate label cause #1 as Covid but then go on to "drunk, hit head on floor" and we know that other deaths were counted that way.
The further problem, because earlier Reliant was indignant that doctors were capable of doing this, suggesting they all had to be lying and on that basis it wasn't feasible...

... yet, here we are. Why did they classify a "drunk, hit head on floor" as a covid death?

He's utterly impervious to the thinking there might have been persuasion and coercion to push the #s in a certain direction. As if multi-billion dollar very corrupt and evil corporations who have a stranglehold on the media and many politicians are unable to exert any influence on incorruptible doctors all of a sudden.
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[QUOTE=TugOfPeace post_id=1669085673]Lol at arguing with Reliance012, the pharma shill who refuses to answer legitimate questions. You might as well argue with wincel or JLC.

[b]I still haven't received an answer for how much the jab is supposed to improve my chance of survival if my chance of survival is already 99.7%[/b]
.

Gee, maybe this is why Norway and Denmark banned the jab for people who aren't senior citizens..

Then he claims deaths are undercounted, meanwhile in this liberal chithole city of Santa Clara, they publish an article saying their covid death toll was OVERCOUNTED by 20% from a CURSORY review.

[URL=https://sanjosespotlight.com/santa-clara-county-revises-total-covid-deaths-by-over-20/]https://sanjosespotlight.com/santa-c...hs-by-over-20/[/URL]

Less than 10% of people who died from covid had no underlying issues.

[youtube]qp0afdBUzis[/youtube

Being marked a covid death when dying with covid rather than of covid:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/Tw9Ci2PZKZg[/youtube][/QUOTE]And then there's that.. We can keep arguing about[b]with[/b]and[b]of[/b]all day long, but the statistics for this bullshiit are out there and we've all seen them.

[QUOTE][b]On average about 98.2% of known COVID-19 patients in the U.S. survive,[/b]but each individual’s chance of dying from the virus will vary depending on their age, whether they have an underlying health condition and whether they are vaccinated.

[URL=https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-recovery-overview#1]https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-recovery-overview#1[/URL][/QUOTE]And from the used car salesman pushing this shiit himself...

[QUOTE][b]Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, testified to Congress in March that the mortality rate may be as low as 1% when accounting for people who are infected but don’t develop symptoms severe enough to be tested[/b]. To Fauci, given how infectious the new coronavirus has proven to be, that is a very dire figure.

[URL=https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/05/covid-19-fact-check-coronavirus-mortality-rate-misleading/3019503001/]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ng/3019503001/[/URL][/QUOTE]Catch that?[i]"but don’t develop symptoms severe enough to be tested..."[/i]

A disease so deadly that you have to get tested to know you even have it.

And I've said it myself many times.. IF this was the global black plague pandemic virus of DOOM that all the sky is falling Ronaholics want it to be, then there wouldn't be any need for vaccine marketing campaigns. People would be lined up begging for it - EVERYBODY, and not just the vax shills.[img]//assets.bodybuilding.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
And I've said it myself many times.. IF this was the global black plague pandemic virus of DOOM that all the sky is falling Ronaholics want it to be, then there wouldn't be any need for vaccine marketing campaigns. People would be lined up begging for it - EVERYBODY, and not just the vax shills.
Yep, you think if there was some sort of massive Ebola outbreak - or something like that, that were would be very much "vaccine hesitancy"? Practically everyone would be taking their chances on it.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
The further problem, because earlier Reliant was indignant that doctors were capable of doing this, suggesting they all had to be lying and on that basis it wasn't feasible...
Yeah, doctors and scientists are infallible bro... Driven by nothing but raw data and maintaining the purity of their profession.

Except when some doctors and scientists with a "bias" grant Rona immunity to the peaceful BLM protests lol.
Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
I didn’t say that about Fauci. I said he has been consistent regarding protests. As has the CDC.

Again, what you’ve done is point out individual examples of scientists and media outlets that seemingly showed bias.Don’t you think it’s telling how you’re unable to find a single example of this double standard from the CDC, which is certainly more representative of the scientific body than individual scientists?

I don’t care about political motivation. It’s a fact that certain communities are more vulnerable to C19. Are you denying this? Or is your point that this fact was used in a political manner, which could very well be true.

You’ve strayed away from the discussion’s original topic. What exactly were covid “skeptics” right about from a scientific perspective? It’s as simple as 1) here’s what most skeptics/anti vaxxers were saying 2) here’s what most scientists/health agencies were saying 3) provide evidence that #1 was actually true. Because the track record shows that your side has been repeatedly incorrect.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Yep, you think if there was some sort of massive Ebola outbreak - or something like that, that were would be very much "vaccine hesitancy"? Practically everyone would be taking their chances on it.
Exactly lol.. Ever watch The Walking Dead? They fought literal swarms of fuking Zombies day after day trying to get to the CDC for answers.



Now here we are with the CDC demanding everybody take the sacred Fauci Fluid, with Ronaholics losing their fuking minds at the audacity of anybody that doesn't lol.



So cool! So hip! Come on bro, get vaxxed up and we can all dance and be happy together!
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Japan is being "grifted" also

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/202...variant-japan/

To grift=an act of obtaining money from someone by fraud/To engage in swindling or cheating/Money made dishonestly, as in a swindle

Thank god that chit was free, whew.
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Originally Posted By uncle
Japan is being "grifted" also

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/202...variant-japan/

To grift=an act of obtaining money from someone by fraud/To engage in swindling or cheating/Money made dishonestly, as in a swindle

Thank god that chit was free, whew.
Gonna fly to Japan and get you some Benny?
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Gonna fly to Japan and get you some Benny?
Nope, they stopped reporting case numbers so no one knows the real truth.

But the "grift" seems to be a worldwide scam and all countries are in on it, not just here.

My blood is clear the 6 months is up.
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Nope, they stopped reporting case numbers so no one knows the real truth.

But the "grift" seems to be a worldwide scam and all countries are in on it, not just here.

My blood is clear the 6 months is up.
Tell him Tony.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, testified to Congress in March that the mortality rate may be as low as 1% when accounting for people who are infected but don’t develop symptoms severe enough to be tested. To Fauci, given how infectious the new coronavirus has proven to be, that is a very dire figure.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ng/3019503001/
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Tell him Tony.



You'd better skip Thanksgiving again this year Benny. You know... just to be on the safe side.
Only 1 time bubba, it was a 1 off.
So how were you able to get a gf, this is freaking amazing?
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Only 1 time bubba, it was a 1 off.
So how were you able to get a gf, this is freaking amazing?
Had this one for a couple of years Benny... And there have been others. Just because I don't discuss my personal life much on the internet doesn't mean I don't have one lol.

Oh, and if you don't mind would you do me a favor? She's Puerto Rican and if she finds out I hate brown people she might not put her vag in my mouth anymore. So lets keep that on the down low.
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post 1669132693 10-08-2022, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Gonna get that 5th jab this winter?
Amazing that in every reply, you're unable to actually address anything I've posted. Instead you continue with deflection and your bizarre fixation on my vaccination status... which has absolutely nothing to do with anything I've posted.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
His argument, which I think is pretty weak, is that deaths were up as well -- but what Nutsy did not address,that AFTER the brunt of the pandemic, deaths are STILL way up, in fact higher still.

So, if covid was causing all these deaths, as he implies, then how come now that it isn't causing deaths,people are still dying more?
I've addressed those (bolded) false claims in previous posts, people aren't "dying more" into 2022. Here's the graph that went with an earlier post somewhere or other...

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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Japan is being "grifted" also

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/202...variant-japan/

To grift=an act of obtaining money from someone by fraud/To engage in swindling or cheating/Money made dishonestly, as in a swindle

Thank god that chit was free, whew.
Benny, you know you were conned, thats why you didn't get the bloster shots. It's in your nature to be naive and gullible.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Had this one for a couple of years Benny... And there have been others. Just because I don't discuss my personal life much on the internet doesn't mean I don't have one lol.

Oh, and if you don't mind would you do me a favor? She's Puerto Rican and if she finds out I hate brown people she might not put her vag in my mouth anymore. So lets keep that on the down low.
Is "he" out of all people trying to insult other people?
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
I've addressed those (bolded) false claims in previous posts, people aren't "dying more" into 2022. Here's the graph that went with an earlier post somewhere or other...
So, with covid, higher than most years only notably lower than 2020. Without covid, which we're in the middle of debating how 'generous' they assigning that, par for the course.

I wonder: what if some of the 'covid' deaths were actually... a flu, cancer, heart attacks, drunk people falling and hitting their head and things like that? Just going on that wild theory, what does that do to your graphs then?

Even then 2022 is higher than other years (once again being beat out only by 2020).

So really rather than saying you addressed my, your words, 'false' claim, it's more a matter of us discussing what was meant when I said deaths were, I bolded, "STILL way" up, not so much them being false. Although, looks like deaths are not above what they were during the brunt of the pandemic (2020-2021) and "way" looks to be clearly off.

Seems strange deaths in 2022 are still above the non-pandemic years, at least to me.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Had this one for a couple of years Benny... And there have been others. Just because I don't discuss my personal life much on the internet doesn't mean I don't have one lol.

Oh, and if you don't mind would you do me a favor? She's Puerto Rican and if she finds out I hate brown people she might not put her vag in my mouth anymore. So lets keep that on the down low.
I don't think that you don't hate brown people, but you sure as hell love to talk about them and traits or characteristics.
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
Amazing that in every reply, you're unable to actually address anything I've posted. Instead you continue with deflection and your bizarre fixation on my vaccination status... which has absolutely nothing to do with anything I've posted.
He is a bot, no normal human being could possibly be that weird.
He did the same with me for 2 years, about 100 times minimum.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Benny, you know you were conned, thats why you didn't get the bloster shots. It's in your nature to be naive and gullible.
Not a fact!
Conned (use websters dictionary) would imply that i did no research, had no scientific information, and made decisions blind....not at all the case.
i made a decision after the Trump Vaxx/"operation warp sped" passed a period of time and few if any had issues.
never got it, so keep repeating your tired lines from your file and i will keep knocking that chit out of Wrigley.
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