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Originally Posted By iputyouatapoint⏩
I've talked about this before, but asian people seem to just be more altruistic, and less "sinful." I'm pretty sure they don't even use the word "sinful." There's just good or bad action, and then their consequences. I'm a Christian, but I think more like a Buddhist, I think. I'm also part Asian though.
Good points.

However, if Asians are born in the US they get into rap music, etc so they aren't born less deviant than other types of people. So, that indicates their culture helps them out and western culture does not help people as much.

As I've said, people are very oppositional in the west and if you say it's great to read book, many won't. If you say some drug is illegal, people will run to use it.

That could be based on perfectionistic ideas in the west, but I'm not sure.

Ideally, we should all be as good as Jesus while rich and owning our own successful businesses.

That's a set up for failure.

Many people I have observed, if they fail, will aim to fail big. For instance, if I don't look like a model then I might as well get super fat.

I have noticed comic book fans are frequently fat, which surprised me because you would think they'd want to be as fit as possible. However, my guess is that they are fat because the ideal of a superhero is something they can't achieve, so they give up and become fat.

So, I believe that the mideast religious influence in our society creates a situation that creates degenerate behavior in the population.

Look at all the mideast rapists and porn people among jews. Would those guys be raping women if they weren't taught that showing your ankles makes you a whore?

If you raised mulsim kids without that religion in a nudist camp the people would grow up being bored with nudity.

Mideast religion has a heavy focus on sex, violence, and perfect behavior and I believe it inspires mental problems.
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Probably high suicide rates. See Japan and South Korea.
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it would look like it did before they arrived - savagery, cannibalism, human sacrifice
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Originally Posted By gabagool1337⏩
it would look like it did before they arrived - savagery, cannibalism, human sacrifice
Most Nordic countries don't believe in or follow jewish religions and there's several Eastern European countries that never got converted.

These countries have socialism and are taking care of their own people.
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Originally Posted By milfmanmilk⏩
Never happened.

More made up lies from the victors.

Who told you that,the same Chinese govt who genocided 70 million of their own people a few years later? JFL very reputable.
Um, those chinese genocides werent of the abrahamic religions so then my point still stands retard
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Originally Posted By Deathstroke⏩
Always intrigued me how Jewish people are vastly more intelligent than any other race on earth. Why is that? Is their blood or genes just more pure or well what is it? Highest IQ’s. Srs
Taking that as being true [higher apparent intelligence] it could be cultural trait selection. AFAIK the Jews were the first group to adopt more widespread literacy [boys being trained to read the Torah] and numeracy [lending with interest]. So in a tribe where literacy and numeracy had social and economic value it would make sense that the men who were more gifted in those areas would be more successful on reproducing and passing on their genes.

I think it could be very different OP, but not necessarily more degenerate. Some thoughts:

- how would early European kingdoms have developed and expanded without access to Jewish bankers?

- would literacy and science have advanced as quickly without temples and churches creating a system of patronage where the common people provided wealth to support non-productive pursuits?

- would we have remained in a feudalistic society without widespread literacy?

- could a pagan, pantheistic, or Buddhist faith support industrialization in the same way given less emphasis on individual effort [earning reward or punishment] and a stronger emphasis on "fate"?

- would the United States [a democratic republic] ever come to exist without the pressures exerted by an entwined church and state?


A lot of horrible things have been done in the name of the Abrahamic faiths, but the parasitical system of churches and temples funded learning and the preservation of knowledge that may not have occurred if there wasn't any financial support, and the wars, crusades, and missionary work put resources towards exploration, weaponry, and cultural interactions [though mainly violent] that might have moved much more slowly otherwise.

Given nothing else arose to fill in the space of Judaism/Christianity/Islamism I suspect humanity would have progressed more slowly. Maybe it would have been better and kinder, or maybe we might have never experienced a period of time with historically reduced inequality or an information age.

ETA: Christianity in specific planted the seeds for democracy and feminism IMO. Good or bad the tenets of a universally available salvation [vs. chosen people] and recognizing women as individuals with rights and duties [vs. property] were major changes and probably were key in the popularity of the religion despite early persecution prior to official state adoption of the church.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
Um, those chinese genocides werent of the abrahamic religions so then my point still stands retard
true

the communist take over of china were very jewish
same with the 1917 bolshevik communists


they do a little tikkun olam'ing
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Taking that as being true [higher apparent intelligence] it could be cultural trait selection. AFAIK the Jews were the first group to adopt more widespread literacy [boys being trained to read the Torah] and numeracy [lending with interest]. So in a tribe where literacy and numeracy had social and economic value it would make sense that the men who were more gifted in those areas would be more successful on reproducing and passing on their genes.

I think it could be very different OP, but not necessarily more degenerate. Some thoughts:

- how would early European kingdoms have developed and expanded without access to Jewish bankers?

- would literacy and science have advanced as quickly without temples and churches creating a system of patronage where the common people provided wealth to support non-productive pursuits?

- would we have remained in a feudalistic society without widespread literacy?

- could a pagan, pantheistic, or Buddhist faith support industrialization in the same way given less emphasis on individual effort [earning reward or punishment] and a stronger emphasis on "fate"?

- would the United States [a democratic republic] ever come to exist without the pressures exerted by an entwined church and state?


A lot of horrible things have been done in the name of the Abrahamic faiths, but the parasitical system of churches and temples funded learning and the preservation of knowledge that may not have occurred if there wasn't any financial support, and the wars, crusades, and missionary work put resources towards exploration, weaponry, and cultural interactions [though mainly violent] that might have moved much more slowly otherwise.

Given nothing else arose to fill in the space of Judaism/Christianity/Islamism I suspect humanity would have progressed more slowly. Maybe it would have been better and kinder, or maybe we might have never experienced a period of time with historically reduced inequality or an information age.

ETA: Christianity in specific planted the seeds for democracy and feminism IMO. Good or bad the tenets of a universally available salvation [vs. chosen people] and recognizing women as individuals with rights and duties [vs. property] were major changes and probably were key in the popularity of the religion despite early persecution prior to official state adoption of the church.
I have studied IQ tests on the doctorate level and what I said is the literal history of the topic as it relates to jews.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Look at China and places where no one believes this stuff.

I would like to know more.

What daily things keep people thinking morally?
Good question. Places like populated cities in Quebec live with good values, also, and no one formally subscribes to their religions anymore. Their dominance seems tied to social approval

In my suspicion, feeling belonging causes a lot of difference in how social one acts.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Taking that as being true [higher apparent intelligence] it could be cultural trait selection. AFAIK the Jews were the first group to adopt more widespread literacy [boys being trained to read the Torah] and numeracy [lending with interest]. So in a tribe where literacy and numeracy had social and economic value it would make sense that the men who were more gifted in those areas would be more successful on reproducing and passing on their genes.

I think it could be very different OP, but not necessarily more degenerate. Some thoughts:

- how would early European kingdoms have developed and expanded without access to Jewish bankers?

- would literacy and science have advanced as quickly without temples and churches creating a system of patronage where the common people provided wealth to support non-productive pursuits?

- would we have remained in a feudalistic society without widespread literacy?

- could a pagan, pantheistic, or Buddhist faith support industrialization in the same way given less emphasis on individual effort [earning reward or punishment] and a stronger emphasis on "fate"?

- would the United States [a democratic republic] ever come to exist without the pressures exerted by an entwined church and state?


A lot of horrible things have been done in the name of the Abrahamic faiths, but the parasitical system of churches and temples funded learning and the preservation of knowledge that may not have occurred if there wasn't any financial support, and the wars, crusades, and missionary work put resources towards exploration, weaponry, and cultural interactions [though mainly violent] that might have moved much more slowly otherwise.

Given nothing else arose to fill in the space of Judaism/Christianity/Islamism I suspect humanity would have progressed more slowly. Maybe it would have been better and kinder, or maybe we might have never experienced a period of time with historically reduced inequality or an information age.

ETA: Christianity in specific planted the seeds for democracy and feminism IMO. Good or bad the tenets of a universally available salvation [vs. chosen people] and recognizing women as individuals with rights and duties [vs. property] were major changes and probably were key in the popularity of the religion despite early persecution prior to official state adoption of the church.
Awesome post.

You brought up something very interesting about fate, with paganism having a fatalistic worldview leading to a less industrious nation due to lack of individualism. If people do not think they have free will or that their fate is determined they may be far less likely to take initiative.

With regards to literacy and science under Christianity, I think that if we look at the ancient Greeks like Plato and Aristotle they were used heavily in Christian learning as part of Christian Scholasticism. A key difference though is that Greek philosophers like Plato opened their schools to the public whereas Christianity limited learning to the priestly caste. Things may have progressed more rapidly if everyone had access to knowledge/education.

Also I don't think things were able to rise up and replace the Abrahamic faiths because these faiths, particularly Islam and Christianity, destroyed all other systems of knowledge or religion in their expansionary warfare and crusades. So much knowledge has been lost or hidden over the years, which is sad to think about.
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Originally Posted By Ausaric⏩
There’s some importance to Abrahamic religions. What that importance is, is unclear. It’s all fake obviously. But maybe it makes people feel better
No, Judaism was not fake 2,000+ years ago, and today Christianity is not fake. I promise.
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Christianity and Judaism only came about[b]after[/b]Abraham (peace be upon him) therefore he was [b]not[b] a Christian or a Jew.

In addition, Christianity and Judaism are rife with polytheism, whereas Abraham (peace be upon him) was a monotheist. Therefore they are most certainly[b]not[/b]"Abrahamic Religions."

Christians worship a man who ate and went to the bathroom, Jesus Christ the Messiah (peace be upon him). He was a prophet of god and he was sent to bring people back to guidance and show them how to worship god[b]alone[/b]and abandon the worship of all else (idols, stars, saints, righteous people, etc). But I mention he ate and went to the bathroom NOT as a way of mocking him (that would be heresy in Islam) but rather as a reminder that he cannot be a deity if he eats and goes to the bathroom. It's not befitting of god. Needing food and using the bathroom is a deficiency, but god is free of all deficiencies (subhanAllaah).

Jews worship their rabbis. They'll deny it, but in reality their rabbis legislated things in the religion that god did not legislate and many Jews went along with it - therefore they have taken their rabbis as gods. They have affirmed their rabbis rulings over gods This is[i]one[/i]form of their polytheism. Other forms include their rejection of many of the prophets of god.

Only Islam as actual, true, real monotheism and shuns all polytheism.
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Originally Posted By mesobuild⏩
Good question. Places like populated cities in Quebec live with good values, also, and no one formally subscribes to their religions anymore. Their dominance seems tied to social approval

In my suspicion, feeling belonging causes a lot of difference in how social one acts.
In Chinese Taoism they say if you just leave people alone they will generally be good as it's easy to observe what is good.

Meanwhile, they also say if you make rules, you automatically make rule violators.

Judaism, etc literally has ain't books full of rules that are so big, few read them. So, culturally that religion is going to create a lot of rule breakers.
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Originally Posted By John
a tribute like how white house pay tribute to martin luther king. does that mean blacks run america?



most importantly, not a living jew in sight.
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Originally Posted By CalmWind⏩
No, Judaism was not fake 2,000+ years ago, and today Christianity is not fake. I promise.
What does that even mean?

If Christianity is real, then judaism is fake, and vice versa, because one religion contradicts the other.

In this topic, "fake" means mythological nonsense.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
Good lord.....
That is the history of IQ tests.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
What does that even mean?

If Christianity is real, then judaism is fake, and vice versa, because one religion contradicts the other.

In this topic, "fake" means mythological nonsense.
it's the other way around.


judaism is real, christianity is fake. if you abide by the bible, those who abide by judaism will naturally conquer you.


the indoctrinization is very clever.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
What does that even mean?
With all due respect, I assumed the reader would possess a basic understanding of Judeo-Christian history.


God creates earth.

Mankind worships God.

Things happen.

God, through Moses, officially establishes the nation of Israel and the Old Covenant. This is Judaism.

Fast forward until the arrival of the Maschiach (Messiah), Jesus Christ.

God completes his plan, the Jews fulfill their purpose, and Christ arrives to provide the final covenant with mankind, to carry us through until the end times come. Judaism is complete and no longer necessary. Jews are supposed to convert to Christianity now, as we are redeemed back to God through Jesus Christ, and only Jesus Christ. The old Jewish system is now obsolete.



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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
If Christianity is real, then judaism is fake, and vice versa, because one religion contradicts the other.
Read above.

Then read my comment again, with your new understanding.

Judaism was real 2000+ years ago. And today, Christianity is real. I promise.
Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
In this topic, "fake" means mythological nonsense.
How can I say uh.. duh? without being disrespectful
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[QUOTE=Dreyth post_id=1669845523]Christianity and Judaism only came about[b]after[/b]Abraham (peace be upon him) therefore he was [b]not[b] a Christian or a Jew.

In addition, Christianity and Judaism are rife with polytheism, whereas Abraham (peace be upon him) was a monotheist. Therefore they are most certainly[b]not[/b]"Abrahamic Religions."

Christians worship a man who ate and went to the bathroom, Jesus Christ the Messiah (peace be upon him). He was a prophet of god and he was sent to bring people back to guidance and show them how to worship god[b]alone[/b]and abandon the worship of all else (idols, stars, saints, righteous people, etc). But I mention he ate and went to the bathroom NOT as a way of mocking him (that would be heresy in Islam) but rather as a reminder that he cannot be a deity if he eats and goes to the bathroom. It's not befitting of god. Needing food and using the bathroom is a deficiency, but god is free of all deficiencies (subhanAllaah).

Jews worship their rabbis. They'll deny it, but in reality their rabbis legislated things in the religion that god did not legislate and many Jews went along with it - therefore they have taken their rabbis as gods. They have affirmed their rabbis rulings over gods This is[i]one[/i]form of their polytheism. Other forms include their rejection of many of the prophets of god.

Only Islam as actual, true, real monotheism and shuns all polytheism.[/QUOTE]Quran 3:67 (What was Abraham's way of life?)
Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. And he was not of the polytheists.

Quran 5:75 (Jesus and Mary ate food; not the nature of God. The same God that is self-sufficient ALL the time)
The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.
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Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
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Originally Posted By TheGoldenBull⏩
it's the other way around.


judaism is real, christianity is fake. if you abide by the bible, those who abide by judaism will naturally conquer you.


the indoctrinization is very clever.
Both are fake.

If you mean that judaism is more successful even though fake, then I agree.
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Originally Posted By CalmWind⏩
With all due respect, I assumed the reader would possess a basic understanding of Judeo-Christian history.


God creates earth.

Mankind worships God.

Things happen.

God, through Moses, officially establishes the nation of Israel and the Old Covenant. This is Judaism.

Fast forward until the arrival of the Maschiach (Messiah), Jesus Christ.

God completes his plan, the Jews fulfill their purpose, and Christ arrives to provide the final covenant with mankind, to carry us through until the end times come. Judaism is complete and no longer necessary. Jews are supposed to convert to Christianity now, as we are redeemed back to God through Jesus Christ, and only Jesus Christ. The old Jewish system is now obsolete.



You're welcome for that free crash course.




Read above.

Then read my comment again, with your new understanding.

Judaism was real 2000+ years ago. And today, Christianity is real. I promise.



How can I say uh.. duh? without being disrespectful
Your mind is defective if you accept supernatural stories with no evidence.

What about a Billion Indians who believe in their god and their version of how the universe was made?

Why are they wrong?
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Originally Posted By TheGoldenBull⏩
it's the other way around.


judaism is real, christianity is fake. if you abide by the bible, those who abide by judaism will naturally conquer you.


the indoctrinization is very clever.
Judaism wins because it's tied to their race. It's all about their race, their bloodline being chosen by God etc.

Christianity can't compete because it rejects the biological aspect of life and isn't prejudiced, whereas Judaism is all about prejudice and in-group preference.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Your mind is defective if you accept supernatural stories with no evidence.

What about a Billion Indians who believe in their god and their version of how the universe was made?

Why are they wrong?
I could tell you that my personal walk with God has had spiritual warfare, where I have had actual encounters with the spiritual... but you'll just call me crazy.


So, to satiate the left leaning part of your brain, the Bible has many incredible things in it that can only have coem from God.


Here is one example. The Bible has prophecies that came true. For example, the book of Daniel prophesied Alexander the Great and his empire's rise and fall.


This is just ONE example. This type of accurate prophecies can only come from God.


There are many more reasons. Jesus actually existed and walked the earth, no reputable secular historian argues this. Jesus was real. And we have eyewitness testimonies of what happened. And it all fits in with the old Jewish prophecies and writings that came before Jesus walked the earth. For example, you can find the sign of the Cross in the Old Testament writings of the Jews, in several places. Did Jews plant this secretly, so that many centuries later, the Romans would crucify Jesus on a cross or something?
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Originally Posted By milfmanmilk⏩
Judaism wins because it's tied to their race. It's all about their race, their bloodline being chosen by God etc.

Christianity can't compete because it rejects the biological aspect of life and isn't prejudiced, whereas Judaism is all about prejudice and in-group preference.
Quran 62:6-8
Say, ˹O Prophet (Mohamed),˺ “O Jews! If you claim to be Allah’s chosen ˹people˺ out of all humanity, then wish for death, if what you say is true.”
But they will never wish for that because of what their hands have done. And Allah has ˹perfect˺ knowledge of the wrongdoers.
Say, “The death you are running away from will inevitably come to you. Then you will be returned to the Knower of the seen and unseen, and He will inform you of what you used to do.”
2:136
Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Both are fake.

If you mean that judaism is more successful even though fake, then I agree.
it cannot be fake if their indoctrinization propells them to conquer the others.


it is exactly as the writers of those scriptures intended
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Originally Posted By TheGoldenBull⏩
it cannot be fake if their indoctrinization propells them to conquer the others.


it is exactly as the writers of those scriptures intended
As others mentioned, a conquering approach adds volatility not naturally sustainable.

"We must therefore remain as lambs and not become wolves. Sometimes, temptation causes us to think: this is difficult, these wolves are clever and I will be even more clever than they are!. Lambs, not fools, but lambs. Lambs with Christian cunning, but always as lambs. If you are like a lamb the Lord will defend you. But if you feel as strong like the wolf, he will not defend you, he will leave you alone. And the wolves will viciously eat you. (Santa Marta, 14 February 2014)"

If 'successful" is living out of touch, with constant responsibility not to suffer a lot, you'd end up like Epstein dying horribly when the unsustainable indulgence expires, without even a place your ancestors can live because they pillaged everywhere the same way
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Originally Posted By TheGoldenBull⏩
just the western world.


jews aren't atop anything in China, Japan or Korea
They should

Judaism > communism

Japan is my favorite nation though and not atheists Maoists. I love Japan.

You Antonio inoki brah? Rip I loved you!





**** the rest of you. Christianity is the true religion of the world. Seventh day Adventists ftw

Anyone who says otherwise you can all rot in hell!
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Originally Posted By Deathstroke⏩
They should

Judaism > communism

Japan is my favorite nation though and not atheists Maoists. I love Japan.

You Antonio inoki brah? Rip I loved you!





**** the rest of you. Christianity is the true religion of the world. Seventh day Adventists ftw

Anyone who says otherwise you can all rot in hell!
china isn't communism tho. look up the concept of communism and contrast it with China. it is literally fooling the world.
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