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How do religions answer these 2 simple questions? Srs
1) How was God created?
"God was always around" isnt a good answer. If he can then so can anything else which would refute the "everything needs a creator" theory of Abrahamic religions.
That answer is like saying "God is legit because Torah, Qoran whatever says so" . So we are supposed to believe in a book that is supposedly sent by a God that I dont believe in?
2) Why did he create humans, or anything at all?
He is the all seeing, all knowing above feelings/ emotions being, why would he need to create anything? Loneliness? Boredom? Those are humanly feeling allright.
"God was always around" isnt a good answer. If he can then so can anything else which would refute the "everything needs a creator" theory of Abrahamic religions.
That answer is like saying "God is legit because Torah, Qoran whatever says so" . So we are supposed to believe in a book that is supposedly sent by a God that I dont believe in?
2) Why did he create humans, or anything at all?
He is the all seeing, all knowing above feelings/ emotions being, why would he need to create anything? Loneliness? Boredom? Those are humanly feeling allright.
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1) they usually say God is an uncaused Being, and that cause cannot have an infinite regress. God is the origin of cause.
2) God creates out of a nature of overflowing love.
Iirc. Both have issues people raise, but challenging 1) may result in pantheism or panentheism (God is the universe, or God is the universe and more) which negates challenges to 2). It can become useless semantics, imo. Imo, asking what God is like is more interesting.
2) God creates out of a nature of overflowing love.
Iirc. Both have issues people raise, but challenging 1) may result in pantheism or panentheism (God is the universe, or God is the universe and more) which negates challenges to 2). It can become useless semantics, imo. Imo, asking what God is like is more interesting.
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400⏩
The Lord created mankind in His image to shepherd creation. We are His gift to the cosmos, and all of that space and creation is there for US to play in. Untold ground to create multitudes to adore and glorify Him.1) How was God created?
"God was always around" isnt a good answer. If he can than so can anything else which would refute the "everything needs a creator" theory of Abrahamic religions.
That answer is like saying "God is legit because Torah, Qoran whatever says so" . So we are supposed to believe in a book that is supposedly sent by a God that I dont believe in?
2) Why did he create humans, or anything at all?
He is the all seeing, all knowing above feelings/ emotions being, why would he need to create anything? Loneliness? Boredom? Those are humanly feeling allright.
"God was always around" isnt a good answer. If he can than so can anything else which would refute the "everything needs a creator" theory of Abrahamic religions.
That answer is like saying "God is legit because Torah, Qoran whatever says so" . So we are supposed to believe in a book that is supposedly sent by a God that I dont believe in?
2) Why did he create humans, or anything at all?
He is the all seeing, all knowing above feelings/ emotions being, why would he need to create anything? Loneliness? Boredom? Those are humanly feeling allright.
The answer to your first nobody will ever be able to answer because the Lord did not design us to be able to comprehend His plane of existence. Even the choirs of angels are only able to guess at what He wants and has planned.
He is unfathomable, ineffable, and unapproachable. Man will never know, we are but dumb children attempting to comprehend the most gifted orator that ever lived. He is the uniter of opposites, the designer of all rules, and His rules were made for us to have limits.
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Claiming to be able to disprove it or know entirely otherwise is just as low IQ. You have no more evidence that I'm wrong, than I do of being correct.lmfao at this type of response. low IQ to the max.
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God always existing is unfathomable but it's more plausible than the materialistic view
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Questions like these and the retarded answers I received played a large part in why I became an atheist.
There’s no place in organized religion for inquisitive logical questioning types. All the answers amount to have faith or because he’s God.
Applying even a cursory amount of logic and it all falls apart.
For example:
If God knows all including what is to come, then he created Adam and Eve knowing they will sin. So God essentially created sin. Extrapolate this out further and explain to me how God is not a sinner?
I was a rotten one to have in Sunday School let me tell you lol
There’s no place in organized religion for inquisitive logical questioning types. All the answers amount to have faith or because he’s God.
Applying even a cursory amount of logic and it all falls apart.
For example:
If God knows all including what is to come, then he created Adam and Eve knowing they will sin. So God essentially created sin. Extrapolate this out further and explain to me how God is not a sinner?
I was a rotten one to have in Sunday School let me tell you lol
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Occam's razor. What makes more sense? Invisible God creates things, loves you infinitely, will torture you if you don't love him back. Or, people made up God and his books to explain things they did not comprehend?
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Originally Posted By cjr169⏩
God's greatest gift to Man was free will - He did not want a nation of slaves of His image. Lucifer got involved - which God knew was going to happen - which is also why Christ was already a prophecy at this point. He moves through time like you and I through doorways - we cannot understand how He exists. These discussions will loop forever.Questions like these and the retarded answers I received played a large part in why I became an atheist.
There’s no place in organized religion for inquisitive logical questioning types. All the answers amount to have faith or because he’s God.
Applying even a cursory amount of logic and it all falls apart.
For example:
If God knows all including what is to come, then he created Adam and Eve knowing they will sin. So God essentially created sin. Extrapolate this out further and explain to me how God is not a sinner?
I was a rotten one to have in Sunday School let me tell you lol
There’s no place in organized religion for inquisitive logical questioning types. All the answers amount to have faith or because he’s God.
Applying even a cursory amount of logic and it all falls apart.
For example:
If God knows all including what is to come, then he created Adam and Eve knowing they will sin. So God essentially created sin. Extrapolate this out further and explain to me how God is not a sinner?
I was a rotten one to have in Sunday School let me tell you lol
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How on earth would use mere puny humans know? What does have to do with religion (which is all man made) being used to help peopel have faith and live happier lives with like minded positive people? It's the end result that matters.
Most ppl around me are non religious, only caring about themselves and big shocker: depression, suidicides, drugs, loneliness, hate, anger, etc.
so yeah, ignore god good luck with youir religion of "me" that everyone believes in now.
Most ppl around me are non religious, only caring about themselves and big shocker: depression, suidicides, drugs, loneliness, hate, anger, etc.
so yeah, ignore god good luck with youir religion of "me" that everyone believes in now.
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who tf did Adam and eves kids procreate with ? each other ? mom and dad ?
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You’re asking the wrong questions. Western culture was built on the principles of judeo christian beliefs. Its what made it so successful. When they lose sight of God, civilization falls every time. So the question is not whether God exists, it’s that belief in God works well and failure in believing leads to the Antichrist (evil dictators).
How can something so good be so wrong? Both cannot be correct at the same time.
knowing all of this, are you doing good by constantly trying to disprove God’s existence? Will the result of proving he doesn’t exist end in good? So far there is no evidence that it does. Christianity creates a moral gauge in which to measure with. Science does not. Science just is and doesn’t create a gauge. We need a measuring stick for our system, and no other belief system has created as much good as Christianity. I challenge you to prove me wrong.
Final question; if western culture is propped up by the fundamental principles of a God, what happens if you prove he doesn’t exist? Use historical evidence to support your argument. Look at the last 150 years (apples to apples), in which freedom of religion has been the staple.
How can something so good be so wrong? Both cannot be correct at the same time.
knowing all of this, are you doing good by constantly trying to disprove God’s existence? Will the result of proving he doesn’t exist end in good? So far there is no evidence that it does. Christianity creates a moral gauge in which to measure with. Science does not. Science just is and doesn’t create a gauge. We need a measuring stick for our system, and no other belief system has created as much good as Christianity. I challenge you to prove me wrong.
Final question; if western culture is propped up by the fundamental principles of a God, what happens if you prove he doesn’t exist? Use historical evidence to support your argument. Look at the last 150 years (apples to apples), in which freedom of religion has been the staple.
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
I will pray for you, friend.lmfao at this absolute moron believing this chit.
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1. God was once like us, he had to go through trials and progress to where he is now. The real question is how did the first being come to be?
2. The same reason we have kids, it is how we increase our glory. In theory having lots of kids is a good thing, having a large family is a good thing.
2. The same reason we have kids, it is how we increase our glory. In theory having lots of kids is a good thing, having a large family is a good thing.
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Originally Posted By OffwhiteBrah⏩
What if Adam and Eve were apes and both evolutionists and creationists are right?who tf did Adam and eves kids procreate with ? each other ? mom and dad ?
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Imagine thinking an old book and some ancient beliefs is what’s keeping people from killing each other.You’re asking the wrong questions. Western culture was built on the principles of judeo christian beliefs. Its what made it so successful. When they lose sight of God, civilization falls every time. So the question is not whether God exists, it’s that belief in God works well and failure in believing leads to the Antichrist (evil dictators).
How can something so good be so wrong? Both cannot be correct at the same time.
knowing all of this, are you doing good by constantly trying to disprove God’s existence? Will the result of proving he doesn’t exist end in good? So far there is no evidence that it does. Christianity creates a moral gauge in which to measure with. Science does not. Science just is and doesn’t create a gauge. We need a measuring stick for our system, and no other belief system has created as much good as Christianity. I challenge you to prove me wrong.
Final question; if western culture is propped up by the fundamental principles of a God, what happens if you prove he doesn’t exist? Use historical evidence to support your argument. Look at the last 150 years (apples to apples), in which freedom of religion has been the staple.
How can something so good be so wrong? Both cannot be correct at the same time.
knowing all of this, are you doing good by constantly trying to disprove God’s existence? Will the result of proving he doesn’t exist end in good? So far there is no evidence that it does. Christianity creates a moral gauge in which to measure with. Science does not. Science just is and doesn’t create a gauge. We need a measuring stick for our system, and no other belief system has created as much good as Christianity. I challenge you to prove me wrong.
Final question; if western culture is propped up by the fundamental principles of a God, what happens if you prove he doesn’t exist? Use historical evidence to support your argument. Look at the last 150 years (apples to apples), in which freedom of religion has been the staple.
Humans are inherently altruistic and work together without religion. The argument could be made about the “Protestant work ethic” and its role in the success of western nations but that was largely added on and is not anywhere in the Bible.
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Originally Posted By cjr169⏩
He is right though. There are billions of people out there that actually need to be told or get scared with 'hell' so they dont kill& rape left and rightImagine thinking an old book and some ancient beliefs is what’s keeping people from killing each other.
Humans are inherently altruistic and work together without religion. The argument could be made about the “Protestant work ethic” and its role in the success of western nations but that was largely added on and is not anywhere in the Bible.
Humans are inherently altruistic and work together without religion. The argument could be made about the “Protestant work ethic” and its role in the success of western nations but that was largely added on and is not anywhere in the Bible.
This is why we humans created the God. To keep people in line.
Also they wanted to create answers to the questions they couldnt answer, false they may be
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Originally Posted By GreatOldOne⏩
Best responses ITT.1) they usually say God is an uncaused Being, and that cause cannot have an infinite regress. God is the origin of cause.
2) God creates out of a nature of overflowing love.
Iirc. Both have issues people raise, but challenging 1) may result in pantheism or panentheism (God is the universe, or God is the universe and more) which negates challenges to 2). It can become useless semantics, imo. Imo, asking what God is like is more interesting.
2) God creates out of a nature of overflowing love.
Iirc. Both have issues people raise, but challenging 1) may result in pantheism or panentheism (God is the universe, or God is the universe and more) which negates challenges to 2). It can become useless semantics, imo. Imo, asking what God is like is more interesting.
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Originally Posted By PrehistoricUFO⏩
This sounds so insaneGod's greatest gift to Man was free will - He did not want a nation of slaves of His image. Lucifer got involved - which God knew was going to happen - which is also why Christ was already a prophecy at this point. He moves through time like you and I through doorways - we cannot understand how He exists. These discussions will loop forever.
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Lol bible thumper mad when legit questions undermine the entire religion.
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lmfao at this type of response. low IQ to the max.
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lmfao at this absolute moron believing this chit.
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BrilliantLmfao okay moron if you say so
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Originally Posted By dingler⏩
Is this mormon theology?1. God was once like us, he had to go through trials and progress to where he is now. The real question is how did the first being come to be?
2. The same reason we have kids, it is how we increase our glory. In theory having lots of kids is a good thing, having a large family is a good thing.
2. The same reason we have kids, it is how we increase our glory. In theory having lots of kids is a good thing, having a large family is a good thing.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Pretty much this.Occam's razor. What makes more sense? Invisible God creates things, loves you infinitely, will torture you if you don't love him back. Or, people made up God and his books to explain things they did not comprehend?
God is the answer to the unknown for many humans. The idea of god conveniently explains away the origins of the universe and humanity.
I'm not against the existence of an all powerful eldritch being but if such a thing did exist I doubt it would have any interest in humanity at all.
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