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post 1672477903 12-08-2022, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted By Dyel1991⏩
Natty af srs
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post 1672478833 12-08-2022, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Coal
I will take that as a compliment. I know I am big, but I didnt think I was THAT big. Genuinely curious what about my physique do you think screams not natty
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post 1672479703 12-08-2022, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
He's claiming natty ITT brah. Would be massive copefuel to learn he is frauding though.
I'm 225lbs and on a small amount of juice and I feel a bit mogged by op
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post 1672479883 12-08-2022, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted By Dyel1991⏩
Thanks brah

250 incline BB
120's DB Flat
65's DB curl
175 BB Shoulder press
Shoulder strength seems like the weak point but nice lifts.
post 1672480633 12-08-2022, 02:19 PM
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Meh.. not close to summer so may as well enjoy food / clean bulk until spring at least
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post 1672480733 12-08-2022, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Dyel1991⏩
Last year





Start

Shouldn't have posted your "start" pic. Gives away that you've hopped on gear. It's clear you have a small frame and don't actually have big arm genetics, so to put that much mass on your arms is pretty much a dead giveaway.
post 1672480993 12-08-2022, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted By LiveLaughLoath⏩
Shouldn't have posted your "start" pic. Gives away that you've hopped on gear. It's clear you have a small frame and don't actually have big arm genetics, so to put that much mass on your arms is pretty much a dead giveaway.
I mean I have no way of proving you guys wrong so its whatever. But in the start picture I had been pretty much starving myself and that was at the end of a cut that i took way too far. I had been lifting for like 6 years at that point. Arms pumped right back up after I started eating normally, got some carbs in, and got on creatine again
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post 1672481483 12-08-2022, 02:36 PM
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Nice job for a 2 yr bulk. I'd probably maintain at the moment, enjoy the holidays and start a cut after the new year.

You look great!
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post 1672481863 12-08-2022, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted By Dyel1991⏩
I mean I have no way of proving you guys wrong so its whatever. But in the start picture I had been pretty much starving myself and that was at the end of a cut that i took way too far. I had been lifting for like 6 years at that point. Arms pumped right back up after I started eating normally, got some carbs in, and got on creatine again
The devil's creatine?

Either way, look great brah.
post 1672482043 12-08-2022, 02:43 PM
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Clean up your bulk...continue...Start your cut to 3 or 4 months...Looking beastly.
post 1672482333 12-08-2022, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted By Dyel1991⏩
I mean I have no way of proving you guys wrong so its whatever. But in the start picture I had been pretty much starving myself and that was at the end of a cut that i took way too far. I had been lifting for like 6 years at that point. Arms pumped right back up after I started eating normally, got some carbs in, and got on creatine again
You were lifting for 6 years in the bottom pic? yeah you're not natty lol


No one suddenly makes that amount of gains after lifting for 6 years already. At 6 years you are pretty much maxed out of natty gains, like in the 94/95th percentile of what your body is capable of building
post 1672482513 12-08-2022, 02:49 PM
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Between last year and start for aesthetics. Stick where you are for strength. Also not buying you're natty, don't go Liver King on us, nobody here cares.
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post 1672482693 12-08-2022, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted By Isabolic94⏩
You were lifting for 6 years in the bottom pic? yeah you're not natty lol


No one suddenly makes that amount of gains after lifting for 6 years already. At 6 years you are pretty much maxed out of natty gains, like in the 94/95th percentile of what your body is capable of building
Gaining weight is the key. A lean natty lifter 6 years in can still make noob gains in a moderate caloric surplus. From what I've seen, anyway.
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post 1672482813 12-08-2022, 02:53 PM
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I'd say it's time you trim. You definitely look better in the middle photo of you more cut.

Sickening physique, by the way. Great work.
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post 1672483033 12-08-2022, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted By FarmersSon⏩
Gaining weight is the key. A lean natty lifter 6 years in can still make noob gains in a moderate caloric surplus. From what I've seen, anyway.
Yep. When you're depleted down to nothing, get back to a surplus and go the distance...good things happen.

I can't understand why this is so hard for people to wrap their minds around.
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post 1672483053 12-08-2022, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted By Isabolic94⏩
You were lifting for 6 years in the bottom pic? yeah you're not natty lol


No one suddenly makes that amount of gains after lifting for 6 years already. At 6 years you are pretty much maxed out of natty gains, like in the 94/95th percentile of what your body is capable of building
That's only assuming he was doing everything right during that time in terms of consistency, diet, and lifts.
post 1672483103 12-08-2022, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted By FarmersSon⏩
Gaining weight is the key. A lean natty lifter 6 years in can still make noob gains in a moderate caloric surplus. From what I've seen, anyway.
He said that pic was at the end of a cut, he had already bulked before that pic.

lol @ noob gains after 6 years of lifting, plz go. Once you get your first noob gains in your first 1-2 years of lifting thats it, gains trail off after that and making progress gets progressively more difficult (diminishing returns)
post 1672483433 12-08-2022, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted By kimm4⏩
Yep. When you're depleted down to nothing, get back to a surplus and go the distance...good things happen.

I can't understand why this is so hard for people to wrap their minds around.
You're not gonna lose that much mass on a cut. Idc how depeleted you are, the difference between depleted and full is not that significant.

I've seen plenty of natural bodybuilders to see how they look before and after.
Originally Posted By Rebel012⏩
That's only assuming he was doing everything right during that time in terms of consistency, diet, and lifts.
Cope

Unless he was literally doing everything wrong before that, and I mean everything, the difference would not be that large. You sound naive srs. And thats coming from someone that fukd around for years before getting truly consistent
post 1672483643 12-08-2022, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted By Isabolic94⏩
You're not gonna lose that much mass on a cut. Idc how depeleted you are, the difference between depleted and full is not that significant.

I've seen plenty of natural bodybuilders to see how they look before and after.

Cope

Unless he was literally doing everything wrong before that, and I mean everything, the difference would not be that large.You sound naive srs. And thats coming from someone that fukd around for years before getting truly consistent
Yousound like you're really trying hard to rationalize and cope due to the likelihood that you've most likely never worked hard enough to make significant gains therefore anything significant is impossible to achieve. Posting from a fake alt trying to be someone else. Who cares if OP is gearing or not. He's built an impressive physique and probably mogs you.

Go the the gym, bud. Lift some iron. You might be less irate overall
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post 1672483653 12-08-2022, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted By Isabolic94⏩
You're not gonna lose that much mass on a cut. Idc how depeleted you are, the difference between depleted and full is not that significant.

I've seen plenty of natural bodybuilders to see how they look before and after.

Cope

Unless he was literally doing everything wrong before that, and I mean everything, the difference would not be that large. You sound naive srs. And thats coming from someone that fukd around for years before getting truly consistent
I actually wasn't really commenting on his level. I'm pretty skeptical of anyone who's 5'10 and over 200lbs while fairly lean. I was just talking about the phenomenon of newbie gains in general.
post 1672483923 12-08-2022, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted By Isabolic94⏩
He said that pic was at the end of a cut, he had already bulked before that pic.

lol @ noob gains after 6 years of lifting, plz go. Once you get your first noob gains in your first 1-2 years of lifting thats it, gains trail off after that and making progress gets progressively more difficult (diminishing returns)
Here is how it went for me:
Never touched a weight in my life early 2014


Couple months in


Couple years in


Dreamer bulk


Cut


and then got silly messing with Protein Modified fast and eating 900 calories per day. Then that takes us to the start picture at the beginning of this thread.

Here is a pump around that time to show my arms


And now you have seen where I am today. Start of 2014 to end of 2022
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post 1672484003 12-08-2022, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Rebel012⏩
I actually wasn't really commenting on his level. I'm pretty skeptical of anyone who's 5'10 and over 200lbs while fairly lean. I was just talking about the phenomenon of newbie gains in general.
I'm 5'11 200lbs and lean but OP mogs me, especially in the arms department.
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Originally Posted By Isabolic94⏩
the difference between depleted and full is not that significant.

I've seen plenty of natural bodybuilders to see how they look before and after.
What? I've seen plenty of natural bb's through the years come off a show after being depleted down to nothing, go stupid crazy with their calorie intake and can gain 20 lbs back easily within the first few months if they're not careful. You'd have to be blind not to see that difference.
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post 1672484593 12-08-2022, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted By kimm4⏩
What? I've seen plenty of bb's through the years come off a show after being depleted down to nothing, go stupid crazy with their calorie intake and can gain 20 lbs back easily within the first few months if they're not careful. You'd have to be blind not to see that difference.
Go to 4:40, thats what he looks like when dieted down, shows the bulk to cut with a 40lb loss








Now i get it, after a show when you're depleted you gain a lot of weight back but you're not gonna gain true muscle in a significant amount, some of it is water, fat etc. Nobody is randomly gaining crazy amounts of muscles after being an experienced lifter
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Originally Posted By Dyel1991⏩
Here is how it went for me:


And now you have seen where I am today. Start of 2014 to end of 2022
Good progress dude, I'm not hating, you look great even in the before pics. Just don't buy natty, but like I said you look great in before/after regardless
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Originally Posted By Isabolic94⏩
Good progress dude, I'm not hating, you look great even in the before pics. Just don't buy natty, but like I said you look great in before/after regardless
No worries bro. Appreciate it. Ill take it as a compliment. Never even crossed my mind when I posted this thread that my natty status would be questioned, but that means I must be doing something right.
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Originally Posted By Isabolic94⏩
There will be a channge, I'm not denying that, but youre not gonna make that much progress after 6 years
Right now OP is holding fat, water, etc...

To see the true gains made in the last 2 yrs, he needs to cut, get to the bodyfat similar to his start pic and there's your answer.

I'll let you all get back to it.
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post 1672485233 12-08-2022, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
Yousound like you're really trying hard to rationalize and cope due to the likelihood that you've most likely never worked hard enough to make significant gains therefore anything significant is impossible to achieve. Posting from a fake alt trying to be someone else. Who cares if OP is gearing or not. He's built an impressive physique and probably mogs you.

Go the the gym, bud. Lift some iron. You might be less irate overall
how did I know you were gonna neg, you're so pathetic
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Originally Posted By Dyel1991⏩
No worries bro. Appreciate it. Ill take it as a compliment. Never even crossed my mind when I posted this thread that my natty status would be questioned, but that means I must be doing something right.
thats when you've truly made it, when people question your nattyness , I hope to get there one day lol
Originally Posted By kimm4⏩
Right now OP is holding fat, water, etc...

To see the true gains made in the last 2 yrs, he needs to cut, get to the bodyfat similar to his start pic and there's your answer.

I'll let you all get back to it.
We'll see how he looks when he cuts I guess, fair point. GL
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Originally Posted By Dyel1991⏩
I will take that as a compliment. I know I am big, but I didnt think I was THAT big. Genuinely curious what about my physique do you think screams not natty
You're bigger than Zyzz, Chestbrah, Jeff Seid, Henry Cavill, Natural Graham, Matt Ogus and the first IFBB physique Mr Olympia



You also mog 3X Mr Olympia Frank Zane.

Congrats brah, you could have been Mr. O from 1977-1979 while natty.
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