Nancy Pelosi has said jobless white men make angry and hostile white men and blames it all white men. There’s no self reflection at all.

Give millennials the wages / house prices that boomers got and a lot of them would have moved out.

My dad bought a house as an 18 year old retail worker with a wife and a kid, good luck with that now it’s not even the same game anymore.

I agree with your entire reaction to my post. When I transferred colleges at age 19 I simply never went back home except to visit twice a year. With a small monthly stipend from my parents and working while in college I was able to live with roommates and be fine. My last year of college (2001) I was working 30-40 hours a week on top of being a full time student, didn't have financial worries. I finished college with just $10K in debt and paid it off pretty quickly. I feel really bad for people 15-25 years younger than me. When I finished college gas was about $1.25/gallon and I bought a 1 yr old car for $17K. Houses were half the price they are now, rent was even less than half what it is now.

The upside is after 2023-24 there are good reasons to be positive about the US economy. It will kind of suck until then. As I said in a different post I can't see myself recommending 4 year college to my kids unless they have a rock solid major they want to pursue. Something I never would have thought a decade or so ago. The backs of the college cartel must be broken to restore sanity, along with a lot of other big changes if I want to pass on even an equally good of a world as I grew up in.

Being a man-child should always be unacceptable and I don't give a **** what the rest of the world considers normal.

Also, are you still unemployed?

I know a bunch of single moms who live at home and could give 2 phukkks about ur living situation and will phukk

Sure he did.......

Yeah Wincel, we should live like you, an unemployed, 30 year old incel, living at home.......

What would you do if daddy kicked you out? Beg some relative to show pity on you?

The economy has moved upward. Previously, experience created most of the upward mobility in our society. Capitalism has become so successful, that in order to keep up, there was a relative increase in the demand for experience, skills, and education (whether that be a trade school or otherwise).

The other thing to factor is the Fed. They control inflation directly. Everything would cost a LOT less had the fed reserve never been created. We wouldn’t have had so many economic crashes either, or at least, as severe. But inflation is taxation without representation. This is the major reason they cause the inflation; to increase the size of the government at a rate faster than the economy.

Awwwwwwwww, you poor thing.......

^^^
There has been a drastic change in the last decade.

In 2012 our mortgage on a brick 3/2/2 ranch was $870 a month including tax and insurance. Now I am living back in the same metro area in a slightly nicer home [newer, 200 sq. ft. bigger, but a much smaller yard] and just my tax and insurance is about $600 IIRC...maybe $500 because of homestead.

In 2011 we were renting an even larger brick ranch 4/2/2 closer to downtown Dallas for $1200 a month. Now it is $1400 to $1600 near me for a basic small apartment and when I looked at renting one closer to where our 2011 rental was the rent was more like $2,000 for an apartment.
I've got no problem with families living together. But grown children leeching and not contributing isn't quite the same thing. Every family is different, but IMO if a grown up is living with parents they should be contributing to household expenses and maintenance because it's not nothing having another person using utilities and adding to general wear and tear.
Love 'em while you have them. Both of mine were gone by my 50th birthday and I truly wasn't expecting that as my grandparents were longer lived.

Stop blaming it on wages. This is a backwards mindset. Why should wages be forced up as a result of government created by inflation and policy/spending? Why doesn’t the government follow the economy? You see how one is backwards?

An economy can’t keep up with an out of control government. This is where the wage arguments against capitalism get debunked. Marxism is literal backwardness

Im was about to mention this but thankfully someone called out the bull****. Why people can't understand the levels at play as adults is beyond a joke. My folks who are in there 60's done everything step by step back in the day. Moved out into a bedsit, Then a flat (wembley), then a house in London (Deptford) all while having me and my sister. Mum worked as a library assistant part time (12K) and dad was a wire man (25K) Try doing that in todays climate as the average family and see where that gets yer. Im house sharing with 2 others and bills are going up here in the UK monthly . Ive had to support my folks who are retired and had mates ask for money because people are struggling to pay there bills.


Alot of people won't be doing Christmas this year because of how grim its getting.

Yep. Though houses were definitely smaller back then too. Today's avg new house was a big house back then. The house I grew up in my dad had to borrow money from his mother to be able to qualify for. By the time I was in college he made daily what his monthly mortgage payment was and we weren't rich. It's easy to pick on millenials because yes millenials are spoiled, but the cost of living has gone up faster than earnings in especially the last decade.

The CPI reported rates for inflation are a heavy lie. Measuring inflation was changed about 25 years ago (28 years?) to make it look smaller than it really has been. Using the previous way of measuring inflation, right now isn't the highest inflation in 40 years. It's in reality the highest inflation since the year after WW2 ended. Everybody talks about the 1950s-60s and WW2, but everyone skips past the in between, the second half of the 1940s, because it was an era of general malaise. There's no prospect of a 1950s era repeat any time soon, but hopefully we can simply get back to the 90s or early 2000s. For the sake of kids today I sure hope so.

Hey Kraken.

I recognize that there is more than one school of thought re:money, currency, and economics.

Wage stagnation is absolutely a factor at play here.

- currency supply MUST continue to grow in order to satisfy the debt by which the currency was created

- the people closest to the printing press who get to use that currency BEFORE the reduced purchasing power is more widely felt have an unfair advantage [cantillon effect]

- capital, not labor, is the main beneficiary

- if the wages paid to labor don't increase to mitigate this advantage then labor becomes more and more impoverished and thus labor is less able to accumulate capital

- the cantillon effect winners becomes a smaller and less dynamic group, a sort of fossilization which it anathema to real growth, or IOW an oligopoly

I know that you believe higher wages lead to higher prices and potentially a wage price inflationary spiral, but as I've posted previously that hasn't actually happened the past 8 or 10 times that the US passed an increase in the minimum wage.

I think that if you starve labor of the ability to accumulate capital then you effectively limit innovation and the competitive market dynamics which create a healthy economy which can out compete the economies of other nations. If income paid to labor falls too low then you may see this turn towards debt as an antidote to what would otherwise be much lower consumption, but the debt with interest system just sucks labor dry more quickly.

Cliffs:This race to the bottom of cost cutting chasing lower priced goods and services via offshoring/on shoring, and sub-par pay for labor that we have been trying to paper over with debt and government subsidy programs has been a massive CF benefiting only a tiny group of "first spend" winners at the top.

The problem isn't free market capitalism, or nationalism, or democratic socialism- it's a monetary system which is pumping wealth from the bottom to the top and choking out real competition from anyone not born into the right circumstances and paying off the right people.

Our governments lie egregiously.



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Lived on my own for awhile but decided to move in with my mom a couple of months ago at the age of 28 because the cons (costs, stress, loneliness) definitely outweighed the pros. Sure it was great being able to bring girls back whenever but living on your own for the sole reason of that wasn’t worth it for me.

I am also Greek-American so it is more traditional to live at home until you are ready to start your own family. My brother and probably my Grandma will be living here so it nice to spend more time with the family

I don't think it makes you a loser if you live at home to girls but it is generally seen as a positive if you're financially independent or able to beExactly. Living on your own isn't all that great for most people

It's better to live with a gf, friends or family

So wait, your traditional plan is to sit around being dependent until your 30s, all while expecting to attract a good woman to marry? I think you’re trying to put the cart before the horse.

Living alone is a good motivating factor for many things. One being to start a career, have friends, and it shows your worthiness, do the best woman that you are capable of attracting.

Learning to be alone can be a virtue, and it is a very valuable “skill set”. People who can’t be alone tend to make bad decisions in/for relationships.

Accurate

And the other 50% are financially retarded. If you move out of home before your mid to late 20s in this day and age, you are a certified retard of the highest order (ded fkn srs).

Only exceptions being if you have to move far away for work or you unfortunately have a bad relationship with your family.

I know a handful of people who left home and started rentcelling from 20 or so. All have no worthwhile education, work absolutely dead end jobs and are on the verge of roping.

They don't experience the real world and then vote for the same people that would keep them dependant.

I'm 32, live by myself and work 1 single hour a month. I was in such financial disaster at 27 that I bought a campervan (actually my dad helped me pay for it and I eventually paid him back... he also took on all my CC debt and paid it off, but I had to pay all that back too, and did... TBH I would be ****ed without my dad's help and it sucks not everyone can have that).

Anyway I traveled the country in a campervan and found a remote spot in the mountains away from everyone, but still had enough cell service to work. I built out my freelance writing business from there because I had 0 distractions and needed to make something happen. I eventually built out a team to manage it for me.

I've gone through spurts of ambitionmaxxing making 12k+ a month but I hated my life and all that stress. Now I just let my team do their thing and I take my cut of 50k/year and I do whatever I want all day every day -- I sleep as many hours as I please, I do whatever my body wants based on the season... right now it's winter and my body and mind just want to relax, so I sit at home on the computer or play video games and I eat pizza, steak, ice cream, w/e the **** my body wants. I feel like it's in a hibernation mode and I just allow it to happen.

In the spring I start to get the urge to be active again, so I get a golf membership and I golf literally every single day barring heavy rain, and I walk all 18 for the exercise.

This is the ideal way of life to me. I don't care about career, I don't care about money past what allows me to live the lifestyle I enjoy, I don't care about having nice material things (though I would like a nicer car soon for dependability reasons).

And actually a few weeks ago I did start working a few hours a week to make a few extra hundred bucks here or there since I have so much downtime in the winter and like I said I'd like to get a nicer vehicle.

I used to struggle caring what other people think about my lifestyle, and that they would perceive me as lower class, but I don't care anymore. I think they're all the idiots for buying **** on credit and acting like it's theirs, further tying themselves to the rat race where they must work or lose all their precious things they couldn't afford in the first place. It's laughable to me that I could be more respected for having a $200/mo car payment as if that's some kind of achievement. ANYONE can afford 200/mo for a car payment unless you're in actual poverty, and you don't even own it! Just lmao at the whole system and lol at anyone who doesn't see the absurdity of all of it.

We're all gonna die the same. Maximize your enjoyment every day and fukk everything else.

pretty pathetic when they could be hobomaxxing instead

There's obviously some benefits to living on your own too. I'm just pointing out that there's trade-offs since there's pros and cons to living with others
Based post man. It's pointless to live trying to impress others or meet "societal standards" of living which really don't matter to anybody except for sheep, aka useful idiots

It's better to just live the way you want to and have your own standards of living rather then try to live up (or down) to everyone else's

This x1000. So many sloots get excited when we have my house and back yard to ourselves. They walk around nekkid and want to smash in every room and on every piece of furniture, on top of tables, the counter, etc. They want to swim nekkid in the pool and have sex in the pool or the hot tub. So many get off by things like this, it's really crazy how common it is. I think it's a way of being "naughty" without any real risks. It's part of sloot DNA I guess.

Seriously every sloot has had the same response when I say that I have a pool: "Can I be nekkid in it?"

A few have said that they wonder what the neighbors think (I think they all know that they weren't the first and won't be the last).

In a lot of cases there's no point to rush to move out

I'm confused on what you're trying to argue here. Wages relative to the cost of major assets has gone down significantly. The FED admits they have an inflationary target of 2-3% per year.

Are you trying to argue that people shouldn't be paid more because that makes inflation worse? The only people that would benefit from that arrangement are the retired, the people so wealthy they don't rely on income and gov't dole maxxers.

Have a money management class in High School, make all the dumb kids go to trade school, and you'll fix this issue.

Move out when you are genuinely financially stable. Finished all your education, have made major inroads in your career, are earning a good salary, are reasonably free of debt and can buy a decent place without crippling yourself.

And even at that point if you want to continue stacking £££ for some more years until you are ready to get married or something then more power to you.

Will be the advice I'd give my future kids for sure.