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Russia vs Ukraine Thread VI- The winter is coming: My map is bigger than your map
12-15-2022, 02:10 PM
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12-15-2022, 02:16 PM
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12-15-2022, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
That doesn;t sound right, how much is an F-35?Actually about 20,000-30,000 doritos for the price of one F-35.
I estimated that repairing the dent and the pilot seat and cockpit would be around 30million though, its incredible how corrupt the US military is.
I estimated that repairing the dent and the pilot seat and cockpit would be around 30million though, its incredible how corrupt the US military is.
12-15-2022, 02:19 PM
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12-15-2022, 02:22 PM
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12-15-2022, 02:23 PM
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12-15-2022, 02:23 PM
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12-15-2022, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted By soycop⏩
Post something of relevance instead of yapping like some little bitch dog. Your whole low IQ tactic is just to try and spam post all the vatniks out of here so you can have your soy **** circle jerk with your boy chalupa. It's completely transparent but shouldn't be a surprise for the retard crew. Also, you just too ****ing stupid to realize I only call you a stolen valor soy **** to get a response out of you. But since you are in fact just a little stolen valor **** boy you keep coming back like a Ukrainian mail order bride who has no choice because she needs that green card. So keep crying, it's more fun that way.Cringe.
Notice he evades the dispute of his retarded post.
Notice he evades the dispute of his retarded post.
12-15-2022, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted By yabbayabba⏩
Imagine reading this. Quoted, didn't read. LMAOPost something of relevance instead of yapping like some little bitch dog. Your whole low IQ tactic is just to try and spam post all the vatniks out of here so you can have your soy **** circle jerk with your boy chalupa. It's completely transparent but shouldn't be a surprise for the retard crew. Also, you just too ****ing stupid to realize I only call you a stolen valor soy **** to get a response out of you. But since you are in fact just a little stolen valor **** boy you keep coming back like a Ukrainian mail order bride who has no choice because she needs that green card. So keep crying, it's more fun that way.
12-15-2022, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted By yabbayabba⏩
LOLLOL...double sperg out! Don't change stolen valor soy **** You are just too cute.
He's also acting like he's an F35 pilot now yo
F35!!!!
Javelins!!!!
Himars!!!
Patriots!!!
12-15-2022, 02:28 PM
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12-15-2022, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted By kostapoulos⏩
Little yapping bitch dogs just can't help themselves.LOL
He's also acting like he's an F35 pilot now yo
F35!!!!
Javelins!!!!
Himars!!!
Patriots!!!
He's also acting like he's an F35 pilot now yo
F35!!!!
Javelins!!!!
Himars!!!
Patriots!!!
12-15-2022, 02:30 PM
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12-15-2022, 02:31 PM
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https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88630
Divided in the Face of Defeat: The Schism Forming in the Russian Elite
Russia is heading toward a final battle between the radicals, for whom escalation is a way of life, and the realists, who understand that continuing to up the ante could lead to their country’s collapse.
There was already talk of a possible split within the Russian elite two months ago, after Russia’s hurried retreat from Ukraine’s Kharkiv region. Since then, Russian troops have also been forced to withdraw from the key city of Kherson, and the predicted schism is taking shape. Members of the elite are dividing into relative realists who are calling for a tactical pause in the fighting in order to rethink Russia’s goals, and those who advocate remorseless escalation at any price.
Never before have Putin’s strategic decisions—generally seen as the price of stability—pushed the Russian elites to the brink of a divide. They put up little resistance to the evisceration of the oligarchs, the rise of the siloviki (security services), and the 2008 Georgian war, while the annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 was positively welcomed by many.
From 2015, life in Russia started becoming rapidly Sovietized, culminating in changing the constitution to allow Putin to remain in power and the complete decimation of the genuinely anti-Putin (“non-system”) opposition. The elites grumbled, but carried on as if nothing had happened. Even the invasion of Ukraine didn’t divide the elites, though it came as a shock to them. Willingly or otherwise, they had to accept the war as a fait accompli. Anyone who was strongly opposed to it simply left the country. If they were unable to leave, they remained silent.
Until the September retreat from the Kharkiv region, the reasoning of most members of Russia’s elites—from the siloviki to big business—was simple: Russia would have to win somehow. It didn’t matter what that meant in practice, but defeat could well bring sociopolitical destabilization, and the elites certainly don’t want a revolution. The Kremlin, therefore, would have to achieve some kind of conquest that would enable the regime to evade collapse.
Divided in the Face of Defeat: The Schism Forming in the Russian Elite
Russia is heading toward a final battle between the radicals, for whom escalation is a way of life, and the realists, who understand that continuing to up the ante could lead to their country’s collapse.
There was already talk of a possible split within the Russian elite two months ago, after Russia’s hurried retreat from Ukraine’s Kharkiv region. Since then, Russian troops have also been forced to withdraw from the key city of Kherson, and the predicted schism is taking shape. Members of the elite are dividing into relative realists who are calling for a tactical pause in the fighting in order to rethink Russia’s goals, and those who advocate remorseless escalation at any price.
Never before have Putin’s strategic decisions—generally seen as the price of stability—pushed the Russian elites to the brink of a divide. They put up little resistance to the evisceration of the oligarchs, the rise of the siloviki (security services), and the 2008 Georgian war, while the annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 was positively welcomed by many.
From 2015, life in Russia started becoming rapidly Sovietized, culminating in changing the constitution to allow Putin to remain in power and the complete decimation of the genuinely anti-Putin (“non-system”) opposition. The elites grumbled, but carried on as if nothing had happened. Even the invasion of Ukraine didn’t divide the elites, though it came as a shock to them. Willingly or otherwise, they had to accept the war as a fait accompli. Anyone who was strongly opposed to it simply left the country. If they were unable to leave, they remained silent.
Until the September retreat from the Kharkiv region, the reasoning of most members of Russia’s elites—from the siloviki to big business—was simple: Russia would have to win somehow. It didn’t matter what that meant in practice, but defeat could well bring sociopolitical destabilization, and the elites certainly don’t want a revolution. The Kremlin, therefore, would have to achieve some kind of conquest that would enable the regime to evade collapse.
12-15-2022, 02:32 PM
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From September, however, everything started to change, and fast. For the first time in the twenty-three years for which Putin has been in power, there are grounds to talk of a gradual divide within the elites. People on both sides of that divide remain pro-Putin and part of the system, but they have different views on what Russia should do next and what its priorities should be. And since the divide is among Kremlin insiders—inside the apparatus of repression itself, tailored to fight the “non-system” opposition—not much can be done about it.
Putin himself is absent from this nascent debate. No one looks to him, if for no other reason than because his position isn’t clear to anyone. His functions as leader are becoming eroded because he is still waging this war as a “special operation” without clarifying its aims.
Up until September, it seemed to the elite that Putin knew what he was doing. But after the retreat from Kharkiv and Kherson, everything is being seen as a rapid descent into chaos and even the collapse of the country. After all, what was the point of holding referendums on annexing four new regions of Ukraine, only to promptly abandon them without a fight? More frightening than the war itself is the prospect of a freefall into the abyss. In this respect, Putin looks like a weak figure to both camps in the elite. Even the emergence of those camps is a reaction to his weakness as a leader.
The divide is forming around one key question: what to do if Russia loses this war. Practically all representatives of the elite are coming to the conclusion that that is what will happen if nothing changes. It may even be necessary to give up Crimea, and from there it’s a slippery slope to full capitulation, with international war tribunals, years of reparations, and the installation of a pro-Western government. This is why no party of peace has emerged in Russia: in the country’s current vulnerable position, it would instantly become the party of defeat, and no one is yet ready to join the ranks of the losers.
Even if there is no defeat, there will still be an increasingly distinct dividing line within the pro-war camp. On one side will be the realists, who believe that since Russia cannot win the war right now, it should pause the fighting to work on rebuilding its army and economy, as well as revamping the political system. For the realists, it was a mistake to start the war, stemming from a distorted understanding of the country’s capabilities. Nor should the referendums have been held, since there was no possibility of holding onto those territories. Still, the realists are opposed to giving up Russia’s positions: the front line must be defended.
The realists don’t just consist of technocrats. They also include siloviki, senior officials, and prominent businessmen. The heads of giant state corporations such as Rosneft CEO Igor Sechin and Rostec CEO Sergei Chemezov are pragmatists rather than supporters of victory at any cost, because they have everything to lose. The views of the pragmatists are represented in the media through sharp criticism of the army and warnings of the risks to the country from the unfolding war with NATO.
Putin himself is absent from this nascent debate. No one looks to him, if for no other reason than because his position isn’t clear to anyone. His functions as leader are becoming eroded because he is still waging this war as a “special operation” without clarifying its aims.
Up until September, it seemed to the elite that Putin knew what he was doing. But after the retreat from Kharkiv and Kherson, everything is being seen as a rapid descent into chaos and even the collapse of the country. After all, what was the point of holding referendums on annexing four new regions of Ukraine, only to promptly abandon them without a fight? More frightening than the war itself is the prospect of a freefall into the abyss. In this respect, Putin looks like a weak figure to both camps in the elite. Even the emergence of those camps is a reaction to his weakness as a leader.
The divide is forming around one key question: what to do if Russia loses this war. Practically all representatives of the elite are coming to the conclusion that that is what will happen if nothing changes. It may even be necessary to give up Crimea, and from there it’s a slippery slope to full capitulation, with international war tribunals, years of reparations, and the installation of a pro-Western government. This is why no party of peace has emerged in Russia: in the country’s current vulnerable position, it would instantly become the party of defeat, and no one is yet ready to join the ranks of the losers.
Even if there is no defeat, there will still be an increasingly distinct dividing line within the pro-war camp. On one side will be the realists, who believe that since Russia cannot win the war right now, it should pause the fighting to work on rebuilding its army and economy, as well as revamping the political system. For the realists, it was a mistake to start the war, stemming from a distorted understanding of the country’s capabilities. Nor should the referendums have been held, since there was no possibility of holding onto those territories. Still, the realists are opposed to giving up Russia’s positions: the front line must be defended.
The realists don’t just consist of technocrats. They also include siloviki, senior officials, and prominent businessmen. The heads of giant state corporations such as Rosneft CEO Igor Sechin and Rostec CEO Sergei Chemezov are pragmatists rather than supporters of victory at any cost, because they have everything to lose. The views of the pragmatists are represented in the media through sharp criticism of the army and warnings of the risks to the country from the unfolding war with NATO.
12-15-2022, 02:33 PM
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On the other side from the realists are those who favor escalation. These people are adamant that to avoid defeat, Russia must be prepared to embark on a full-scale mobilization, concentrate its resources, and rain bombs on Ukraine relentlessly until the bitter end. This section of the elite is far more disparate than the realists, but is united by one factor: the worse things are going at the front, the more political dividends these people are set to receive.
High-profile representatives of the party of escalation include the notorious businessman and mercenary boss Yevgeny Prigozhin and the reckless Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov. The wealthy Kovalchuk brothers are also more or less in this group. Although they, like Sechin and Chemezov, have everything to lose, the difference is that like Prigozhin, instead of controlling state assets, they provide their private assets to the state, such as media or Prigozhin’s private military company Wagner. The more the state needs their services, the more weight they carry within the system.
Despite the fact that many proponents of escalation remain on the sidelines of official decisionmaking processes, this is the party that is largely affecting Russia’s strategy in Ukraine right now, due to their ideological closeness to Putin and—for some of them—access to his ear. It’s because of them that Putin switched from “wait and see” tactics to launching massive strikes against Ukraine’s energy infrastructure. The president is convinced that these strikes will reduce the Ukrainian army’s combat capacity and damage the government’s popularity, paving the way for Moscow to dictate the terms of Kyiv’s capitulation.
If this plan doesn’t work (and there are serious doubts that it will), the party of escalation will grow even stronger and even more radical—not just with regard to Ukraine, but also toward those who believe Russia cannot win. At the same time, the party of realists will also gain political weight, especially since public opinion is gradually shifting in favor of de-escalation.
Russia is heading toward a final battle between the radicals, for whom escalation is a way of life, and the realists, who understand that continuing to up the ante could lead to their country’s collapse. It’s impossible to say right now who will win this battle, but it will determine not only the outcome of the war in Ukraine, but also the future of Russia.
vatniks in shambles. Misc Russian propaganda mission = FAILED. Lmfao at vodka poisoned potato eating LOSERS..
High-profile representatives of the party of escalation include the notorious businessman and mercenary boss Yevgeny Prigozhin and the reckless Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov. The wealthy Kovalchuk brothers are also more or less in this group. Although they, like Sechin and Chemezov, have everything to lose, the difference is that like Prigozhin, instead of controlling state assets, they provide their private assets to the state, such as media or Prigozhin’s private military company Wagner. The more the state needs their services, the more weight they carry within the system.
Despite the fact that many proponents of escalation remain on the sidelines of official decisionmaking processes, this is the party that is largely affecting Russia’s strategy in Ukraine right now, due to their ideological closeness to Putin and—for some of them—access to his ear. It’s because of them that Putin switched from “wait and see” tactics to launching massive strikes against Ukraine’s energy infrastructure. The president is convinced that these strikes will reduce the Ukrainian army’s combat capacity and damage the government’s popularity, paving the way for Moscow to dictate the terms of Kyiv’s capitulation.
If this plan doesn’t work (and there are serious doubts that it will), the party of escalation will grow even stronger and even more radical—not just with regard to Ukraine, but also toward those who believe Russia cannot win. At the same time, the party of realists will also gain political weight, especially since public opinion is gradually shifting in favor of de-escalation.
Russia is heading toward a final battle between the radicals, for whom escalation is a way of life, and the realists, who understand that continuing to up the ante could lead to their country’s collapse. It’s impossible to say right now who will win this battle, but it will determine not only the outcome of the war in Ukraine, but also the future of Russia.
vatniks in shambles. Misc Russian propaganda mission = FAILED. Lmfao at vodka poisoned potato eating LOSERS..
12-15-2022, 02:43 PM
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Ukraine taking an absolute whoooping now, we told you **** it would happen. Now Odessa having power outages all over the place. Fun awaits. Send more billions.
12-15-2022, 02:45 PM
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12-15-2022, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted By soycop⏩
yup, keep sending. keep sending to your J masters, good job.billionZ!! Soy! Goysheep!
12-15-2022, 02:52 PM
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12-15-2022, 02:53 PM
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LOL @ sperg out from fellow retard crew members



Originally Posted By soycop⏩
Ah, attacking the source, but not the information. Typical astronaut.
Originally Posted By soycop⏩
billionZ!! Soy! Goysheep!
Originally Posted By soycop⏩
vatnik crew's entire warchest:
1. billiONZ!!!
2. sperg-out!
3. retard crew!
Such intellect. lmfao......
1. billiONZ!!!
2. sperg-out!
3. retard crew!
Such intellect. lmfao......

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12-15-2022, 02:53 PM
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12-15-2022, 02:54 PM
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12-15-2022, 02:56 PM
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12-15-2022, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted By soycop⏩
Being a useless drain on society and stealing valorFound the derka who doesn't know the mission or purpose of the F-35.....
Inspired by terrorsperg
Originally Posted By soycop⏩
Furiously defends a Joe Biden boondoggle in Ukraine and accuses detractors of being leftistsEverything these subhuman scum say is pure projection. Democrat tactic - accuse others of what you do. Fukkin leftists man....
Tarded
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12-15-2022, 03:08 PM
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12-15-2022, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted By PimpinisEasy⏩
holy chit dude crazy footage. Ukranian troop at around 1:30 gets absolutely ventilated***NEUTRAL CREW*** ™
12-15-2022, 03:29 PM
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[QUOTE=soycop post_id=1672912413][img]https://i.imgur.com/wDQDKli.png[/mg]
LMFAO
Poverty azz russians[/QUOTE]Redditors
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LMFAO
Poverty azz russians[/QUOTE]Redditors
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