You’ve put the incel twist on that though. In the marriage comments, they are on about that dude’s article about low paying jobs and social status. It doesn’t say anything about lonely men quitting because there’s no point.

its the same thing. the average man worked before because it gave them the money and status to attract a woman and provide for the family.

That is off the table. If you cant get a woman or a family with that job, what is the point.

Oh I dunno, maybe to not starve and be homeless, you absolute potato.

It doesnt take much to have A place to live like a room somewhere and eat pbjs.

The reason men needed real jobs and money with a career was to get a woman and a house and provide. without that, men can get by on very little. A little uber or doordash and thats that for example

You're talking about maybe a very small subset of weak men, whose only purpose in life was to attract some mediocre broad happy to get knocked up and live in a shack.

I know plenty of real men who derive some sense of satisfaction from work that they learned to do well from years of schooling. Any man who sees no incentive to work a trash 9-5 because said job can't land him a wife is weak anyways. And since at least the 1970s two incomes have been the norm to support a household because of inflation, so it's not like this trend is new.

crew.

me af. bare minimum. no motivation to do anything since i dont get any pussy. srs.

Why would you? Just have fun and rot. Society removed the incentive

this is boomer cope.

Its not that the only purpose at all was women, but women were the motivation to do chit you otherwise did not want to.

Want to get laid? Well you need to adhere to some of these standards even if you don't want to.

Remove that carrot and many men will opt for hedonism and only live to please themselves.

It happens to be the case that many men can please themselves while barely working or even not at all. We don't need much to get by.

"If women banged men in cardboard boxes we wouldn't build houses " is often quoted from Dave Chappelle and he's right. The motivation to do more was women. Its gone.

You're not understanding. Many men have already opted out of the workforce mentally or physically or both. Even if some still go to work many have opted out I've seen it all in the last few years what is happening

It's not just guys that are unemployed now

Is society going to turn into having all women work and guys stay at home? lol

What's more realistically going to happen is the high income males will become "polygamists" in the sense they will have lots of women living with them. That's what happens in poorer areas of the world.

But women don't really care about being cucked as much as guys do, so it's not a big deal to them if they get to live comfortably.

Ugh. No thanks, even if he is a Chad. I couldn't imagine living with other women. I mean I'm too old for that now but even when I was younger.

Based on my date of birth, you realize I'm a millennial right? Lol.

The point I'm making is that since the 70s two incomes have been necessary to support a middle class or working class household. The men who are fed up are the ones who are working trash jobs from which they derive little satisfaction. It has very little to do with women. There are probably engineer incels out there, guarantee you none of them are quitting their jobs.

Point is simple, any man who had a strategy of trying to get laid by landing a working class job in 2022 isn't thinking straight to begin with. When I was FA in my twenties and decided I wanted to break out of it, the very last thing on my list was "get a stable job! That'll attract em!" NO. Women like ambition and intellect, but you better be banking on more than just that.

Women don't care at all about being cucked. Biologically there's no reason for them to. They can get everything they need from a man whether or not he fuks other women. He just needs to also provide for her. Culturally we promoted monogamy so women were conditioned to want that but its going away to where their nature is taking over and they don't care by nature.


Men hate whores because Biologically it threatens paternity of a child and safety of the woman. Women don't have those concerns for men.

Don't you see how much of a monumental shift this is though? Every man needs 6 figures to be attractive as a beta provider now? That isn't going to work.

We need men at all levels to contribute. We can't all be kings.

No men will either silently opt out or just quit and make money elsewhere or get on unemployment or disability. People will retire earlier also. So you will have less men working. A lot of guys may choose to work part time as well instead of full time jobs. Who knows.

I want to just work part-time soon before retirement but I'll have to move to a less expensive place to do so.

It's just a strange cultural shift as most men in my Generation X work and feel demoralized if they don't work, according to them.

No brah, the point I was making is that trying to be attractive solely by being a beta provider is a losing strategy. I know guys making 50k who do fine, they just don't lead with their income.

Yep but many people nowadays don't wanna work or are all about doing the bare minimum which demoralizes everyone. Then there's the feminism. I worked with some people in their 20s recently and all of them were lazy. Boomers got lazy too around when covid hit. I can't blame them but it's just another part of this whole issue that is making work harder for people. I remember when i first started working around 10-15 years ago it wasn't like this. The whole atmosphere was more positive and people liked working. You may have had some lazy people but they were the minority. Now everyone is lazy.

The culture shift is real

You're right. The difference is that now women are doing it as well online. Back then, you had to actually run into a woman in the wild so to speak and catch her in a place where you could talk to her which I think that helped develop social skills. It's also a lot harder when it's face to face. It's also hard to hide your BS face to face. Now also, a guy can hit up 100+ females while he sits at home being bored.

Women are terrible BS detectors. Especaially when they don't have a good father figure growing up. It also seems like every woman has a line of men who want a chance. These guys are also in a dozen other lines but they can't see that.

Also, when I was just breaking out in my early 20's ( earnly 2000's) most girls wouldn't take you seriously if you didn't have a decent car, your own place, and a steady job. Now it doesn't seem to matter.

Where I work in tech it's the opposite due to Slack instant messaging that people expect you to answer them instantaneously so it's hard to get actual work done. I had to work to turn off my Slack notification previews as they constantly come through as people stop sending as many emails, and I had my emails organized to flag what is most important but it's hard to do that with Slack. I open my laptop every morning to 30 Slack messages plus another 50 emails. 10-15 years ago the pace was much slower so you could actually get real work done as people didn't use instant messaging as often unless it was really urgent.

Gen Z grew up with texting so they only use Slack instant messages, and as they enter the workforce that's the new shift.

On the flip side I can at least flag Slack to remind me of messages every hour if they aren't answered. But I've really had to change how I work and it's not easy.

I would. I just wouldnt marry her. Where is she? Doesnt exist

I'm one of those. I've been working since I was 14 or so. There were only a couple times I was not working for more than a few weeks and even then I was in the hiring process most of that time. I've also worked many different jobs other than my main career. In those gaps I had a hard time relaxing because I felt like a bum. Even the jobs that weren't my career path, I learned things and developed myself.

Yep but also if you played sports or lifted it was a big thing. Nowadays it doesn't seem to matter. Everything shifted to height/facial aesthetics and clout once social media evolved.

A new muscle car/sports car was probably the best thing to have 10-15 years ago because everyone thought you were cool af

The reality is most men in past generations had no option but beta provider. they were not/are not simply attractive enough to just get women without the provider angle. With that off the table, theres nothing these men can do

If your only argument is that the bread winner model of the 50s was some mythic beautiful era where men could work grueling shifts in a steel mill for a wife, ok. Most men I know wouldn't want to go back to that type of an arrangement. And you overplay the extent to which those marriages were based solely on cash. They weren't. When it comes to relationships, men who have some modicum of value beyond being a beta provider are going to be fine. It's actually pretty sad that you believe that's all most men have to offer.

you're missing the problem. Everything you're saying is true but you're missing the problem thats showing up now.

Women are not inherently attracted to the vast majority of men. Yes, they value things beyond looks and money, but only if you have the looks or money to attract them in the first place.
https://www.livescience.com/58607-me...rsonality.html

They do not care about any other qualities you possess if they are not baseline attracted to you physically or financially. Otherwise, they can get everything else you offer by just being your friend. they will only fuk you if actually physically or financially attracted.

That is the problem going on right now. We've removed the financial option. So men need to be physically attractive to a woman to have any chance. but ugh oh, women only find the top 50% of men attractive, at the most.https://goodmenproject.com/featured-...below-average/

Im not saying men necessarily want the same kind of tough work as the past. But given the options right now of work some chit job and die alone, or some chit job and have a wife and family to support and live for, many will prefer the second option. the first option sucks and you're lonely and sexless. at least the second you have the something meaningful to work for.

Ive even discussed this with my african friends/family who are extrememly poor. They always ask why im not married and no kids. They themselves wouldnt trade places with a western incel. they dont understand why I have a house I live in alone.(in truth, it doesnt make sense)

All evidence supports the fact that people were happier back then. People of today lonely, more depressed, and jaded

I'm goodlooking and stiill can't get girls lol. They just have too many options these days. Being a 7.5 is meaningless when girls have an abundance of 10s. Whenever I see a sub 6 man with a girlfriend/wife, he's a HUGE jestermaxxer/normie. I'm not that kinda guy. But I don't even care anymore. The average man's wife is a complete slag anyways. I have 2 smoking hot sugarbabies and never run out of money cause I don't need to impress girls with cars/houses and have zero ambitions for traveling or retirement. I live in a 600 sqft apartment and drive a 10k car. 0 ****s given. I'm getting pussy whenever I want. That's good enough for me.