I don't think the fear is that ATACMS would be used to bomb the Kreml or Putin but to strike important military bases and targets within range in russia, which would piss the russians off that the US provided the ammunition for this.

Btw ATACMS does have a considerable larger warhead. Biggest warhead on GMLRS XM31 is 190 lbs HE, ATACMS have 500 lbs HE warhead. So more than 60% additional boom.

Iran not only needs nuclear weapons, they need delivery systems that can reach eveyr major American city.

Yeh Iran will become a problem you dikless American trash.

I said all along that the Russian war economy will out produce Europe.

GDP figures are nto accurate measures of production capacity.

That's what must happen. China, Russia and Iran must combine. america is an evil terrorist state and must be confronted.

I support Russia.

every decent person does

It's not clear to me why anyone would support the US hegemony. Especially now they've entered some strange authoritarian woke stage of their existance.

When it was about freedom & democracy they were a lot more credible. Now they're a complete clown show.

Even worse they use the reserve currency to plunder the world, while providing very little in return.

Everyone needs to watch this from the start point here:



to understand Russia's core grievances. They are justified. It isn't bullchit. Those of you who insist Ukraine was innocent in all of this need to try to understand the Russian POV. It is only if we can understand each other and what the core issue is that the problem can be resolved peacefully. American foreign policy toward Russia has failed. It is destructive and has endangered Ukraine, Russia, and America. We need to stop this madness immediately before we get everyone killed. Also, Putin has no intention or ability to rebuild the USSR as illustrated by his stated refusal to engage in an arms race or militarize his population. They lack the resources to do it, and they have suffered during the USSR in trying to do it. They are secure in their nuclear weapons. The western narrative is a shameless lie that downplays the fascist elements in Ukraine, the cavalier and welcoming attitude toward them in the Ukrainian government, and the western meddling that brought them to this point. Russia is not a fascist state. Russia is an antifascist state. Our media has lied repeatedly to further the western narrative.

100% ok with it. And it is inevitable btw. Israel can't keep murdering their scientists to stop them. Iran will not use the nuclear weapons for terrorism any more than Israel will. What can happen is the same as what can happen when any state gets nuclear weapons. But the point of these weapons is to secure peace. It will prevent war. Israel repeatedly threatens to initiate war with Iran, and the US continues to call for regime change in Iran. This is dangerous and destabilizing. Iran has no choice but to seek these weapons. Israel is the one acting like an apartheid state and shamelessly oppressing the Palestinians. The terrorism we see is an act of desperation to try to change an entrenched policy. Something has to give, and the injustice cannot be perpetuated indefinitely.

Remember when they said NK couldn't get a nuke or it would be the end of the world? NK has nukes and ICBMs right now. The world hasn't ended. Life will go on, and there will be a forced move toward peace and reconciliation.

We had our chance with Iran, and the orange retard decided he didn't like the deal so he sank it. Well, these things have consequences for the world order.

I hope people realize that any attack on the Kremlin will probably be attributed to the US whether we do it or not. Ukraine attacking would still result in the total nuclear annihilation of the west. Russia isn't fuking around, and even entertaining this kind of talk is evidence of the bankruptcy of American foreign policy. We may actually all end up dead because NaFo FeLlAz on reddit and twitter convinced the masses to disregard Russia's capabilities -- capabilities our military nuclear experts are well aware of and have inspected directly.

What can happen?

Kremlin is not in range for ATACMS though and they wouldn't be sufficient to destroy the Kremlin. Especially if we count in that air defence around the Kremlin is not as inept as other russian targets that got visited by HIMARS. It's more about military bases and high valuable targets like the Kerch bridge. Imagine how Putin would be fuming when a couple of ATACMS hit the train tracks of the Kerch bridge lmao.
Also don't worry, you're not gonna die. Russia won't do chit with nukes, even if they'll lose this war and have to fukk off back to pre 2014 borders. They already stated to use nukes when Ukraine forces would touch the annexed regions that Putin declared as part of russia as written on his napkin. Now they took Kherson and the ruskies didn't do chit.

Give me one good reason why Crimea should belong to the current iteration of Ukraine.

Surely nothing bad could happen if an autocratic theocratic sh*thole owns nukes right you guyz?


...vatniks man, when will they learn?

Pakistan has had nukes for years, and so has Israel.

Such a **** hole I'm sure they won't even work just like the Russian ones don't... Right bros?

Because russia just declared it is part of russia on a napkin after doing one of their fake referendums.

So you're arguing it wasn't the will of the Crimeans to join Russia?

Even though the electoral history shows it was overwhelmingly pro Yanukovych? Even though Russia had a giant naval base there in Sevastopol? Even though Crimea has hundreds of years of Russian heritage there, and the people there speak Russian and consider themselves Russian?



The annexation was bloodless fyi. Where was the Crimean resistance? Why do you think Crimeans wanted to leave? The narrative that Putin marched in and took control is a bit ridiculous. Are you familiar with what happened in Odessa and the events of Maidan? Are you familiar with the fascists in the streets and the coup?

No, of course not. All you know is the western narrative. Putin bad.

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NONO NON ONOOOO VATNIK BROS?!!!

Yeah well we already knew this was the entire point. It's a morally bankrupt action that destabilizes the world and confirms to both India and China that the US seeks global hegemony and conquest to eliminate all peer competitors. There will be blowback from this. The United States cannot take on the whole world. We will lose everything in the end by betraying Russia. And we will have lost the possibility of peace and partnership and have doomed an entire generation or perhaps all subsequent ones depending on how bad this gets.

Yes, same was in Kherson with the fake referendum. They claimed 98% were pro russia in Kherson and when they liberated it you could see the whole city was just cheering happy as fukk. Just because something was annexed bloodless, doesn't mean they wanted it. If we go with historic heritage, Crimea would belong to turks. If every country would now claim to redraw borders because of historic hertiage, it would quite be a chaos in europe lmao.

Ukraine are trying to win, which is understandable given it's their territory. No one needs to try to embarrass Russia, that's something they're doing to themselves.

If you love Iran so much, why don't you go back to that ****hole?

That's not what is happening though. You understand that literal fascists were marching in Kyiv, Lviv, and Odessa and killing people right? You understand that the Crimeans wanted to leave right? I mean this is the core denial. You're arguing that Putin somehow manipulated the situation and that it is all fake. You're completely ignoring the deep cultural differences between western and eastern Ukraine. Tell me then if the Ukrainians loved Crimea so much and sought to save their beloved citizens, why did they cut off water to 2 million of them?

Here's your boy Zelensky laughing about it



And if Ukraine is so peace loving, why is Poroshenko on record claiming Minsk 2 was only to buy time? Why did he integrate fascist battalions into his government and rehabilitate the image of nazi collaborators? Why did Ukraine assassinate the head of the DPR?



And Zelensky promised peace when he ran and to strike the racist language laws.



But we see when he came to power, he was resisted.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-pol...ngagement.html

See, none of this makes sense in the context of your narrative.

According to you, this is an unprovoked assault. According to you, Russia's annexation of Crimea was pure aggression. And yet, you do not think cutting off water to 2 million people is aggression or assassinating separatist leaders after peace talks is aggression.

These are not "Russian talking points". they are legitimate holes in the false western narrative of the conflict. We like to westernize everything and view every confrontation as a battle of good vs evil. It is not so, and that is an incredibly juvenile way of looking at conflict. In reality, we had ample opportunity to prevent this war. We chose not to, and ****inator's post above shows why. To the ghouls in Washington, it's the best money they ever spent.

But there will be consequences to this shameless unethical and selfish action. We have committed to a divided world, and the weapons we send can and will end up in terrorist and criminal hands. Those weapons will be used against our allies someday. There will be blowback. And should Ukraine triumph, nazism will make its return to the world. And decades from now, you will wonder how you were hoodwinked into supporting this ideology.

I hope some of you asked santa for new helmets for this year, some of them retard cages are getting tight

Is that why they're on their 8th conscription and increasing penalties for draft dodging? Becaude they want to fight?

Plenty of countries have historically had drafts where the population is generally supportive of the war.

Nice argument, ****.