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post 1673999143 01-02-2023, 06:25 PM
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Effective Yesterday, California requires job postings to have a salary range

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https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco...effect-sb1162/
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this is the way it should have been all along
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In before companies they find a way to weezel out of it
Only in America could you find a way to earn a healthy buck And still keep your attitude on self-destruct

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+1 point for the wagecels
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inb4 more companies stop recruiting from California and California-based companies recruit more from out of state (where this law doesn't apply).

Wagies actually think this will work in their favor (lol just lol)
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Originally Posted By THE-BEEF⏩
In before companies they find a way to weezel out of it
They have, they put ranges now

BRB between 15k (mailroom) - 250k (Director)
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Originally Posted By THE-BEEF⏩
In before companies they find a way to weezel out of it
Originally Posted By LtGoose⏩
They have, they put ranges now

BRB between 15k (mailroom) - 250k (Director)
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post 1673999963 01-02-2023, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted By THE-BEEF⏩
In before companies they find a way to weezel out of it
Salary range: $1,000-$1,000,000 depending on experience

Edit: damn wizards
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This will obviously only apply to jobs where companies have to advertise and there’s large numbers of people who could do the job

High paying jobs will be continue to be filled using executive search companies who approach potential candidates directly and negotiate salary packages with the candidates while doing the selection process

They often can’t give a salary range because they’re testing/making the market
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California: not every idea they have is god awful. This is one of the 0.01% of good laws they come up with.
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Even government jobs are doing the wide ranges LMFAO

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As a cfo with facilities in California, I have no problem with this law. I want employees with reasonable expectations. Call me crazy.

I'll be a job seeker again too, and I like the other side of this too. I want to know which employers will pay me what I'm worth.

What's the problem?
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Originally Posted By Zelensky⏩
Even government jobs are doing the wide ranges LMFAO

That's not that wide. Before, when asking salary history was legal, if you made less than $50K,you were pretty much offered $50K. If you made anything beyond that, you were only offered like 10% more than you were currently making.

When I was an intern, I was making only $30K. Then salary history was banned, and somehow, I bounced up to $60K. Prior, when applying to jobs, they would only offer me $40K.

People on the misc were getting smart, and saying that businesses would just ask "what is your salary expectation?". This question provides zero leverage for the company unlike asking for salary history.

If they do provide a big range, for some reason people like you think people will just ask for the bottom of the range. Not realistic at all. People will just ask for the highest number in the range. It will be up to employers to figure out how to talk candidates down.

Edit: spelling
post 1674001013 01-02-2023, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
That's not that wide.Before, when asking salary history was legal, if you made less than $50K,you were pretty much offered $50K. If you made anything beyond that, you were only offered like 10% more than you were currently making.

When I was an intern, I was making only $30K. Then salary history was banned, and somehow, I bounced up to $60K. Prior, when applying to jobs, they would only offer me $40K.

People on the misc were getting smart, and saying that businesses would just ask "what is your salary expectation?". This question provides zero leverage got he company unlike asking for salary history.

If they do provide a big range, for some reason people like you think people will just ask for the bottom of the range. Not realistic at all. People will just ask for the highest number in the range. It will be up to employers to figure out how to talk candidates down.
Lol yes, it is wide. A potential salary increase of 60% between the minimum and maximum pay rates is a big difference.
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Originally Posted By Zelensky⏩
Lol yes, it is wide. A potential salary increase of 60% between the minimum and maximum pay rates is a big difference.
The thing you fail to realize is that companies already did that prior to being transparent. Most companies list jobs with pay bands that are created by incompetent HR or they use an agency.

No one who applies to that job will be asking for $50K unless they are desperate. Everyone else will be asking $80K and it will be up to the company to figure out who to hire.

Also there are a lot of companies that use an agency to determine pay. How they do this is by giving up the pay ranges for their positions, then when a new company wants to use that agency, the agency provides them the range that the other companies use.

Funnily enough, this law will most likely kill that service since companies who have no idea what to pay their employees, will just look up the public pay bands on indeed.

If the company is putting a large pay band they aren't hurting the candidates, they are just offering more money to candidates.

For example, if I said to you. "Hey, do you want to work for me for $16/hr or $30/hr. Who has negotiating leverage? The company or you?
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
The thing you fail to realize is that companies already did that prior to being transparent.Most companies list jobs with pay bands that are created by incompetent HR or they use an agency.

No one who applies to that job will be asking for $50K unless they are desperate. Everyone else will be asking $80K and it will be up to the company to figure out who to hire.

Also there are a lot of companies that use an agency to determine pay. How they do this is by giving up the pay ranges for their positions, then when a new company wants to use that agency, the agency provides them the range that the other companies use.

Funnily enough, this law will most likely kill that service since companies who have no idea what to pay their employees, will just look up the public pay bands on indeed.

If the company is putting a large pay band they aren't hurting the candidates, they are just offering more money to candidates.

For example, if I said to you. "Hey, do you want to work for me for $16/hr or $30/hr. Who has negotiating leverage? The company or you?
No, I did not fail to realize it, you failed to make a correct assumption there. Since your first sentence isn't even right I'm not gonna read the rest so we'll just assume everything else in your post is wrong too.

Overall, transparency is a good thing but it won't work out as the big positive it's proponents think it will. *shrug*
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Originally Posted By Zelensky⏩
No, I did not fail to realize it, you failed to make a correct assumption there. Since your first sentence isn't even right I'm not gonna read the rest so we'll just assume everything else in your post is wrong too.

Overall, transparency is a good thing but it won't work out as the big positive it's proponents think it will. *shrug*
If you want to try it yourself, remove most of your experience from your resume and apply to jobs like a new intern would.

Maybe it's because you already worked and had experience after these laws passed, so you feel that they will have no effect. For me, this law will have no effect as well since I already have established my career.

That's what the misc said about banning salary history and only positives have happened since.

But I can see this benefiting younger people just like banning salary history helped me.
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Originally Posted By nothingshocking⏩
As a cfo with facilities in California, I have no problem with this law. I want employees with reasonable expectations. Call me crazy.

I'll be a job seeker again too, and I like the other side of this too. I want to know which employers will pay me what I'm worth.

What's the problem?
Agree, there is no problem. People just jump on the big business band wagon and believe that people will get paid more if you don't know what the wage band is.
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LMAO @ what passes for “journalism” these days. So many typos in one short article.
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If they don’t post it I assume it’s poverty. Lol @ just posting “competitive pay”
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
LMAO @ what passes for “journalism” these days. So many typos in one short article.
It's no wonder news journalists are about to be replaced by AI.
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Originally Posted By Archangel_Lost⏩
If they don’t post it I assume it’s poverty. Lol @ just posting “competitive pay”
lol "competitive pay" is minimum wage.
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About time. After ingot laid off I had so many interviews for IT jobs where people wouldn’t let you know any kind of salary right away. Wasted hours on interviews for crap money, people trying to undercut etc.

But yeah i am sure some will try to weasel in and inflate the number. Like it will say 90-120k but its reallly 50-70k plus some outrageous benefits if you were to use them all and max out 401 etc.
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Originally Posted By Zelensky⏩
Even government jobs are doing the wide ranges LMFAO

In my experience government jobs are 100% transparent in the listings as far as what grade level you can be hired in as with different levels of education/experience.

For example in your listing associates degree 50k bachelor degree 75k master degree 90k.
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Originally Posted By desslok⏩
About time. After ingot laid off I had so many interviews for IT jobs where people wouldn’t let you know any kind of salary right away. Wasted hours on interviews for crap money, people trying to undercut etc.

But yeah i am sure some will try to weasel in and inflate the number. Like it will say 90-120k but its reallly 50-70k plus some outrageous benefits if you were to use them all and max out 401 etc.
I get the feels man. When I applied to jobs, they would let me know after 2 interviews and phone interview that the position only paid $12. Garbage pay, but took the job because I had nothing else. Then quit in 2 weeks once I got another offer for $15.
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Originally Posted By Zelensky⏩
No, I did not fail to realize it, you failed to make a correct assumption there. Since your first sentence isn't even right I'm not gonna read the rest so we'll just assume everything else in your post is wrong too.

Overall, transparency is a good thing but it won't work out as the big positive it's proponents think it will. *shrug*
Originally Posted By Krunok⏩
In my experience government jobs are 100% transparent in the listings as far as what grade level you can be hired in as with different levels of education/experience.

For example in your listing associates degree 50k bachelor degree 75k master degree 90k.
These.

I would be good with full transparency. I don't expect we will get it, but that would create a more fair market.

FWIW University of Michigan [and maybe all the state schools there?] makes employee salaries public after one year of employment.

Publicly traded companies [on the stock exchange] could be required to publish a list of their positions w/time in position, location, and hourly rate/salary at least annually. That doesn't seem like an unfair requirement for investor transparency.

If you saw a job posting for something like "junior accountant" w/CompanyX in MA it wouldn't be that difficult to see what they are presently paying and make some guess as to where your experience/location might land you regarding a salary offer there.

Some entity would likely take the information and make a public searchable data base which both employers and employees could use when researching the fair market rate for a position.
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Supposedly, there is a way to use a VPN to make it look like you are in Cali (or Colorado, which already does this) when you search for jobs on the web, so you can see the pay scale no matter where you are.

Like people have mentioned, a lot of companies put a 'range' that is wide to get around it.
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They need to do this.

A recruiter from Google contacted me and I went round and round with her, only to find out that it paid $35 an hour. Who can survive in Silicon Valley on $35 an hour?!

The worst is when they ask what I make and try to match it. Why would I leave if they pay the same hourly rate?
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