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What's the most useless major provided the bachelor's and master's are the same major

Meaning, a bachelor's in __, is essentially the same as a master's in __, so you shouldn't have them both be the same major.

And that's largely where they compete for the same jobs. I hear this is the case for economics. And in many cases, a BBA is useless if you went on to get a MBA.

This is also true for CS majors outside of Silicon Valley jobs and other similar places. The difference is, rich companies will hire your Master's in CS whereas poorer companies will hire the bachelor's CS.

2. What's the most useless bachelor's major, provided you don't advance past that?

I believe even STEM majors like chemistry and psychology are useless, provided you don't get a master's or higher.
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With a BS in Chemistry you can work in Quality Control for a biotech company. Starting pay is about $65k/year and you only need a bachelors to become a supervisor and they can make as much as 6 figures.

Psychology would be a bit harder, but if you work in social services (Public Sector) and make a respectable $60-70k/year. No degree is useless if you know what you want to do with it.

When it comes to jobs hiring, There are pros and cons to both. Larger companies (the FAANGs) may pay more, but you're just a number and they lay people off by the hundreds every quarter if their earnings dip a quarter of a percent. Smaller companies or hospitals are not as reluctant to let their staff go like that unless the entire establishment is going under. So, if you're just job hopping its fine to work for Google or Amazon, but if you want something more stable its probably best to work for a smaller (<500 employees) company.

I have what you'd consider a "worthless degree" (a BS in Biochem) but I work as an auditor of biotech facilities. I only make about $85k, but i'm transitioning into a Healthcare Analyst role where i'll make about $110k as an entry level role.
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Just stopping at the Bachelor's level? Philosophy and History. Both are worthless at that level, especially from a low tier school, however, interestingly enough, if you follow through with a PhD and come up with some novel ideas, or defense of older ones, you can have a huge, massive impact on society because you will fundamentally change how certain things get taught. Those two fields occupy the ends of the spectrum. You can end up at starbucks (philosophy) or working at a small county museum for 40k and no benefits (history) or you can make 150k-200k at a high ranked uni educating future leaders. At the higher level you also make some good money if you write a book that sells well outside academia. There are more than a few multi-millionaire academics that do well between salary and sales and barely teach anymore.

Bachelor's in the other liberal arts and social sciences are not bad in of themselves because they do open up jobs in non-academic government jobs, as an example: I have a ton of sociology, social work, nutrition, and psychology majors I tutor at a state school near my uni. Almost every single one is female and almost every single one that is a senior has a municipal, county, or state job lined up upon graduation. Mind you this is a very low tier state school I work at for extra income. However, these girls are all going to be working in government or quasi-government agencies at 22-30 right out of uni making 50K--75k with little to no debt because it is a state school and full benefits and retirement package. If they are not retarded and do well they will double their income in a few years.
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
With a BS in Chemistry you can work in Quality Control for a biotech company. Starting pay is about $65k/year and you only need a bachelors to become a supervisor and they can make as much as 6 figures.

Psychology would be a bit harder, but if you work in social services (Public Sector) and make a respectable $60-70k/year. No degree is useless if you know what you want to do with it.

When it comes to jobs hiring, There are pros and cons to both. Larger companies (the FAANGs) may pay more, but you're just a number and they lay people off by the hundreds every quarter if their earnings dip a quarter of a percent. Smaller companies or hospitals are not as reluctant to let their staff go like that unless the entire establishment is going under. So, if you're just job hopping its fine to work for Google or Amazon, but if you want something more stable its probably best to work for a smaller (<500 employees) company.

I have what you'd consider a "worthless degree" (a BS in Biochem) but I work as an auditor of biotech facilities. I only make about $85k, but i'm transitioning into a Healthcare Analyst role where i'll make about $110k as an entry level role.
Not me, I'm BS chem and all I get are min-wage lab tech jobs.
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as an example: I have a ton of sociology, social work,
O yea I would not recommend sociology or social works majors if you want to work for Republican companies, or be hired by Republican supervisors. You would have to pick a major that both Dems and Reps would hire. Although, this may be a moot point, as I guess the vast majority of sociology/social work majors have no intention of working in a Republican-run company, it's just that you can't change careers later in life.
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Originally Posted By NealIRC⏩
Not me, I'm BS chem and all I get are min-wage lab tech jobs.
Do you have biotech companies near you? You should be able to qualify for a lot more than those Lab Tech positions. You don't even need a 4 year degree to get those roles.
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Originally Posted By NealIRC⏩
Not me, I'm BS chem and all I get are min-wage lab tech jobs.
With a BS in chem you easily qualify for more than lab tech like almost everywhere.
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Music, drama or theatre studies.

Those industies don't care about a degree and other industries don't take people with those degrees seriously.
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Originally Posted By DDSF1⏩
Just stopping at the Bachelor's level? Philosophy and History. Both are worthless at that level, especially from a low tier school, however, interestingly enough, if you follow through with a PhD and come up with some novel ideas, or defense of older ones, you can have a huge, massive impact on society because you will fundamentally change how certain things get taught. Those two fields occupy the ends of the spectrum. You can end up at starbucks (philosophy) or working at a small county museum for 40k and no benefits (history) or you can make 150k-200k at a high ranked uni educating future leaders. At the higher level you also make some good money if you write a book that sells well outside academia. There are more than a few multi-millionaire academics that do well between salary and sales and barely teach anymore.

Bachelor's in the other liberal arts and social sciences are not bad in of themselves because they do open up jobs in non-academic government jobs, as an example: I have a ton of sociology, social work, nutrition, and psychology majors I tutor at a state school near my uni. Almost every single one is female and almost every single one that is a senior has a municipal, county, or state job lined up upon graduation. Mind you this is a very low tier state school I work at for extra income. However, these girls are all going to be working in government or quasi-government agencies at 22-30 right out of uni making 50K--75k with little to no debt because it is a state school and full benefits and retirement package. If they are not retarded and do well they will double their income in a few years.
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And when it comes to earnings for people who only have undergraduate degrees, philosophy majors have the fourth-highest median earnings, $81,200 per year, out-ranking business and chemistry majors, according to the ETS. Bar none, philosophy majors have the highest salary growth trajectory from entry to mid-career
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Originally Posted By GreatOldOne⏩
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethi...dont-suck/amp/

And when it comes to earnings for people who only have undergraduate degrees, philosophy majors have the fourth-highest median earnings, $81,200 per year, out-ranking business and chemistry majors, according to the ETS. Bar none, philosophy majors have the highest salary growth trajectory from entry to mid-career
I'm a philosophy major closing in my PhD. That is a garbage article lol read it carefully and look at the chart closely. Fluff piece and very misleading. It has a political based slant and is a pop article.

The vast majority of BA philosophy only people, especially from low tier state schools, are struggling financially today or found a job and did well but having nothing to do with philosophy. They would be in the same place, or better off with a business degree (for example). People that go to law school, people that get Master's degrees in philosophy, people from high rated programs, or certain success stories from years ago don't make a difference to what I am saying. That is something else. The saturation of philosophy degrees is real. It used to mean something but that has not been the case for at least twenty years.

I am saying this as someone who knows several dozen of those types whom I am speaking about personally and everyone in my program will tell you the same thing. I mentioned Starbucks for philosophy because it is a running joke amongst professors and grad students about those types.
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Originally Posted By DDSF1⏩
I'm a philosophy major closing in my PhD. That is a garbage article lol read it carefully and look at the chart closely. Fluff piece and very misleading. It has a political based slant and is a pop article.

The vast majority of BA philosophy only people, especially from low tier state schools, are struggling financially today or found a job and did well but having nothing to do with philosophy. They would be in the same place, or better off with a business degree (for example). People that go to law school, people that get Master's degrees in philosophy, people from high rated programs, or certain success stories from years ago don't make a difference to what I am saying. That is something else. The saturation of philosophy degrees is real. It used to mean something but that has not been the case for at least twenty years.

I am saying this as someone who knows several dozen of those types whom I am speaking about personally and everyone in my program will tell you the same thing. I mentioned Starbucks for philosophy because it is a running joke amongst professors and grad students about those types.
I was a philosophy major and did quite well.

Don't think you're qualified to speak for the 'vast majority' of philosophy majors.

The data itself showed phil majors did better than business. You're coping instead of getting a job and projecting onto your BA peers.

Good luck with your phD. Much respect srs
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Originally Posted By GreatOldOne⏩
I was a philosophy major and did quite well.

Don't think you're qualified to speak for the 'vast majority' of philosophy majors.

The data itself showed phil majors did better than business. You're coping instead of getting a job and projecting onto your BA peers.

Good luck with your phD. Much respect srs
Your reading comprehension is abysmal. Both my post and the article you posted. Read the article. If you are really a phil major you should know better than to just post something without knowing what it says and what the sources for it are. The only one coping is you. I have a job in the field--I teach it. My students are lower division phil majors and from every major in the case of general ed classes. I also tutor all undergrad majors at another school (in essay and term paper writing). Seriously, you are coping hard and speaking about something you have no clue about.

Thank you for the last line, I do appreciate that.
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Regarding philosophy, I would be interested to see how the average socioeconomic background of philosophy majors compared to others.

In my experience, the people I knew studying philosophy as undergrads came from middle/upper middle class backgrounds and had jobs waiting for them via family connections.

I didn't know anybody doing philosophy who had to worry about affording rent.
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Originally Posted By NealIRC⏩
Not me, I'm BS chem and all I get are min-wage lab tech jobs.


O yea I would not recommend sociology or social works majors if you want to work for Republican companies, or be hired by Republican supervisors. You would have to pick a major that both Dems and Reps would hire. Although, this may be a moot point, as I guess the vast majority of sociology/social work majors have no intention of working in a Republican-run company, it's just that you can't change careers later in life.
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
Regarding philosophy, I would be interested to see how the average socioeconomic background of philosophy majors compared to others.

In my experience, the people I knew studying philosophy as undergrads came from middle/upper middle class backgrounds and had jobs waiting for them via family connections.

I didn't know anybody doing philosophy who had to worry about affording rent.
You are from the UK correct? Im not sure what its like there but in California, and from everything I hear from my peers and professors, across the nation, including my own experience, the average BA only phil major from lower tier state schools is not doing well or if they are, it is a job that would have been gained with any degree (like a government job that requires any Bachelor's). The joke about phil majors working at starbucks is a real phenomena here. Good philosophy students go on to graduate degrees or law school almost all the time. Yes, there are always exceptions, like a good phil BA student who goes to a corporate job, but once again, they would have gotten that job with a business degree too. The CSU system alone has 23 schools churning out phil BAs every year. Most go nowhere sadly.
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Originally Posted By DDSF1⏩
You are from the UK correct? Im not sure what its like there but in California, and from everything I hear from my peers and professors, across the nation, including my own experience, the average BA only phil major from lower tier state schools is not doing well or if they are, it is a job that would have been gained with any degree (like a government job that requires any Bachelor's).
My point was that they went and studied philosophy because they knew it didn't matter what they studied, as their family/family friends would get them a job.

I didn't know anybody from a working class background who chose philosophy; as they studied things that would get them jobs.

In all fairness, the people I knew all went to fairly good colleges, so I have no experience with those from lower tier schools.

The UK has something called the russell group, which is the top 24 universities. The vast majority of people I know went to one of those 24.
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Originally Posted By GreatOldOne⏩
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethi...dont-suck/amp/

And when it comes to earnings for people who only have undergraduate degrees, philosophy majors have the fourth-highest median earnings, $81,200 per year, out-ranking business and chemistry majors, according to the ETS. Bar none, philosophy majors have the highest salary growth trajectory from entry to mid-career
Well, what occupations were they?

Imo, they had high salaries not because of their major, but because of their occupation.
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
My point was that they went and studied philosophy because they knew it didn't matter what they studied, as their family/family friends would get them a job.

I didn't know anybody from a working class background who chose philosophy; as they studied things that would get them jobs.

In all fairness, the people I knew all went to fairly good colleges, so I have no experience with those from lower tier schools.

The UK has something called the russell group, which is the top 24 universities. The vast majority of people I know went to one of those 24.
In California there 23 schools in the CSU system, then there are 9 UC schools, and then there are something like 80 private four year schools, all just in California. We have a lot of working class, middle class, and upper class phil undergrad majors. The vast majority do not go on to careers in academia or law. They end up in other fields or starbucks and the like.

My point originally was that the vast majority could have gotten another degree that would have gotten them the same result, or often enough, a better job/career. It is a field that really needs focus and desire to be successful in, and most of those phil majors are just cruising by "C's get degrees" and graduate knowing nothing about philosophy and getting any job.
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Originally Posted By DDSF1⏩
In California there 23 schools in the CSU system, then there are 9 UC schools, and then there are something like 80 private four year schools, all just in California. We have a lot of working class, middle class, and upper class phil undergrad majors. The vast majority do not go on to careers in academia or law. They end up in other fields or starbucks and the like.
Do you guys have PPE (politics, philosophy and economics) degrees in the US?

A lot of government employees, special advisors and politicians did PPE. I don't think (I have no idea of actual numbers) we have as many people studying straight philosophy.

We've had the discussion before about how the UK specialises at 16 and what you study at 16-18 affects which degrees you qualify for. You then study just that field for 3 years instead of general stuff for 2 + specialised for 2.

As people are pretty much picking the general area of their major at 16, parents have a much greater role in deciding what their children study and consequently we probably have less unemployable graduates.
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
Do you guys have PPE (politics, philosophy and economics) degrees in the US?

A lot of government employees, special advisors and politicians did PPE. I don't think (I have no idea of actual numbers) we have as many people studying straight philosophy.

We've had the discussion before about how the UK specialises at 16 and what you study at 16-18 affects which degrees you qualify for. You then study just that field for 3 years instead of general stuff for 2 + specialised for 2.

As people are pretty much picking the general area of their major at 16, parents have a much greater role in deciding what their children study and consequently we probably have less unemployable graduates.
Lol your system is superior to ours in so many ways. One of my favorite undergrad professors was a phil of science phd and physics undergrad from UK. His Phd was from London School of Economics and he would routinely mock and ridicule our education system lol

There are several joint degrees like that offered, but I think they are not that common, relatively speaking, so what you get is people double majoring like I did (Phil and Poly Sci BA). So our politically inclined people, for example, usually just end up doing a Poly Sci degree and then law school without taking the bar exam. We also have a huge population of adult students or older working students. So, yes, a lot of phil majors here in the CSU system are older students, stoners, people looking to cruise by with Cs, angry feminists etc., and they do not end up in academia or law. Far too many, end up in very low paying jobs (not even careers).

The joke about starbucks and coffee houses filled with pseudo-intellectual phil majors is more than a joke here, lol it is a reality sadly.
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Lol your system is superior to ours in so many ways. One of my favorite undergrad professors was a phil of science phd and physics undergrad from UK. His Phd was from London School of Economics and he would routinely mock and ridicule our education system lol

There are several joint degrees like that offered, but I think they are not that common, relatively speaking, so what you get is people double majoring like I did (Phil and Poly Sci BA). So our politically inclined people, for example, usually just end up doing a Poly Sci degree and then law school without taking the bar exam. We also have a huge population of adult students or older working students. So, yes, a lot of phil majors here in the CSU system are older students, stoners, people looking to cruise by with Cs, angry feminists etc., and they do not end up in academia or law. Far too many, end up in very low paying jobs (not even careers).

The joke about starbucks and coffee houses filled with pseudo-intellectual phil majors is more than a joke here, lol it is a reality sadly.
Bachelors 3 years

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PhD 3 years if decent, 4 if slack, 5 if you suck.

Most people go straight from bachelors to PhDs without a masters.

The typical fresh PhD is 24.

The system is very different.
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The only dangerous thing about an exercise is the person doing it.

They had the technology to rebuild me. They made me better, stronger, faster......
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Originally Posted By GreatOldOne⏩
I was a philosophy major and did quite well.

Don't think you're qualified to speak for the 'vast majority' of philosophy majors.

The data itself showed phil majors did better than business. You're coping instead of getting a job and projecting onto your BA peers.

Good luck with your phD. Much respect srs
Aren't you legit mentally ill???
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Criminal Justice srs
I also have a BA in Criminal Justice, it's a better hobby than a degree. Should have majored in Kinesiology instead.
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
Bachelors 3 years

Masters 1 year and very specialised

PhD 3 years if decent, 4 if slack, 5 if you suck.

Most people go straight from bachelors to PhDs without a masters.

The typical fresh PhD is 24.

The system is very different.
Yeah, for us, the straight route PhD is: four years BA/BS, and either a) into a five-seven years doctoral program (which will automatically include an MA/MS), or b) a terminal MA/MS first and then into a five-seven year doctoral program (some schools you will automatically get a second MA/MS, but some schools allow you to bypass it and avoid another Master's Thesis). Most programs seem to be very strict in transferring terminal MA/MS credits to a doctoral program, so usually it is zero, or maybe six or nine at most in some cases. These are considered the quickest routes and so assuming someone starts uni at 18 they will be a fresh PhD at the soonest at 27 (typically). There are some early start programs for smart kids so they can get their HS diploma early and start their BA/BS early as well. In those cases they may shave off a couple years.

However, with our huge adult student (over 30 at the time they start post secondary education) and working part-time student population you get people becoming fresh PhDs at anywhere between 35-60. That is not uncommon and becoming more and more common here. There are some academics that argue this is not a bad thing because it brings real world experience to academia. I actually agree with that notion.
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I don't think those are good questions.

You can major in How to Defraud Your Employer from Harvard and still get hired almost anywhere.

Masters maybe in very low rank places in subjects that do not tick boxes could do nothing for you.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
I also have a BA in Criminal Justice, it's a better hobby than a degree. Should have majored in Kinesiology instead.
kin degree crew, unless you pursue grad school a Kin degree is about as useful as a weekend personal training course.
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