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is MichaelMcFail new Wincel alt?

Always the recurring obsession with two topics: a) anti-nacism and b) promoting being a mudblood
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nothing gets by you sleuth

my #1 obsession is russia/ukraine war tho
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
nothing gets by you sleuth

my #1 obsession is russia/ukraine war tho
why is nazism so bad?


a lot of german nazi army personnel fought against bolshevik communism, which, after winning, directly and indirectly resulted in a lot more deaths than the upper threshold of "consensus" nazi victims.
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Duh.
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yep, it's obvious each time
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
why is nazism so bad?


a lot of german nazi army personnel fought against bolshevik communism, which, after winning, directly and indirectly resulted in a lot more deaths than the upper threshold of "consensus" nazi victims.
First of all, the Black Book of Communism is a load of crap. Second of all, Hitler's issue was him being the most unreliable leader in international relations. He willfully and deliberately invaded neighbors and provoked wars. He actively glorified war. He'd claim he was interested in peace while continuing conquest. You simply can't reason with a leader like that. Even Stalin was more reliable and generally honored his deals.

Hitler was a blight on the Earth up there with Timur, Genghis Khan, Atilla the Hun, Napoleon, and Alexander. And unlike the others, Hitler really sought to enslave and purge others. While someone like Khan did it as punishment and ultimately sought to integrate lands and peoples into a vast empire, Hitler's ultimate goal was to subjugate and then eradicate virtually everyone he didn't like.

There was no reason to believe he would ever stop, hence the world war.

Hitler's atrocities were many, the worst of which was of course, the holocaust. But it's important to realize that even that genocide alone wasn't the ultimate cause of the war. The war was fought to stop his conquest. Because, again, with a leader like that, there is no reasoning or bargaining.

Nazism and other forms of extreme chauvinism ultimately bring ruin to a nation because they usually involve purging and suppressing minorities at home along with provoking conflict with neighbors.

Nazism is the antithesis of peace. It's impossible for anyone to sustain peace with nazis because their ideology, by definition, promotes war and provocation. Had the nazis won, they'd find a reason to fight the Japanese next. There is no end. After conquering everything, nazis would break into factions and kill each other over who was more nazi. There is no end with this kind of juvenile chauvinism except death. Ask the Germans.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
First of all, the Black Book of Communism is a load of crap. Second of all, Hitler's issue was him being the most unreliable leader in international relations. He willfully and deliberately invaded neighbors and provoked wars. He actively glorified war. He'd claim he was interested in peace while continuing conquest. You simply can't reason with a leader like that. Even Stalin was more reliable and generally honored his deals.
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Stalin legit took all of Eastern Europe in after the war.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Stalin legit took all of Eastern Europe in after the war.
He also honored his deal with Mannerheim. He honored his deals with the allies. And he also liberated all of Europe. So, yeah.

This is a fact a lot of people seem to forget. Stalin and the Red Army are the reason you people are all free.

For all his atrocities and crimes, Stalin saved the world from Hitler. That is a unique achievement America has been trying to steal from Russia for decades, but they never will. Russian blood was sacrificed to stop him, more than any other sacrifice.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
He also honored his deal with Mannerheim. He honored his deals with the allies. And he also liberated all of Europe. So, yeah.

This is a fact a lot of people seem to forget. Stalin and the Red Army are the reason you people are all free.

For all his atrocities and crimes, Stalin saved the world from Hitler. That is a unique achievement America has been trying to steal from Russia for decades, but they never will. Russian blood was sacrificed to stop him, more than any other sacrifice.
And then, communist policies resulted in more persecution and deaths than any Nazi could ever dream of.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
He also honored his deal with Mannerheim. He honored his deals with the allies.And he also liberated all of Europe.So, yeah.

This is a fact a lot of people seem to forget.Stalin and the Red Army are the reason you people are all free.

For all his atrocities and crimes,Stalin saved the worldfrom Hitler. That is a unique achievement America has been trying to steal from Russia for decades, but they never will. Russian blood was sacrificed to stop him, more than any other sacrifice.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
And then, communist policies resulted in more persecution and deaths than any Nazi could ever dream of.
Most of those deaths were due to poor economic planning. And again, you base this on what? The Black Book of Communism? Why isn't Churchill blamed for the manmade famines in Bangladesh and India then? It's dumb. If you count things that way, capitalism has killed hundreds of millions too. It's a completely childish comparison. Stalin and Mao were cruel, but importantly, they were largely reliable international actors -- at least compared to Hitler. That's why no world wars were undertaken to destroy them.

Also, this is some ridiculous false dichotomy. You don't have to embrace communism to oppose Hitler and nazism. This is the fallacy that has led to Ukraine's far right embracing nazism. It has again brought ruin to their country.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
You laugh, but when the jewish prisoners cried and kissed the feet of Red Army troops when they liberated the death camps, you'd say something different. You guys have no clue about anything. Your heads are full of propaganda and lies. At the end of WW2, Stalin was largely regarded as a hero -- a cruel, but necessary leader who was instrumental in their victory.

During the cold war and after Khrushchev's rise to power, both American and Russian propaganda maligned Stalin and played up his despotism and the Gulag. While Stalin was, indeed, cruel, he took a fledgling nation through revolution and poverty to prosperity and superpower status. By the time of his death, Russia was a nuclear power. He reformed education, healthcare, housing, and championed workers' rights. He was loved and respected by his people, and many in Russia still respect him today as their greatest leader. He was a mass murderer, yes. There is no denying that. But he had principles. Perhaps his actions make Karens in America squeamish with their black and white thinking (as they starve millions of Yemeni children to death ofc). But the world isn't sunshine and rainbows.

It takes a man like Stalin to stop Hitler.

It takes men like Xi and Putin to stop American imperialism.

If you don't want enemies like that, don't provoke them. It's very simple.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
You laugh, but when the jewish prisoners cried and kissed the feet of Red Army troops when they liberated the death camps, you'd say something different. You guys have no clue about anything.Your heads are full of propaganda and lies. At the end of WW2, Stalin was largely regarded as a hero -- a cruel, but necessary leader who was instrumental in their victory.


Spoiler!
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
Most of those deaths were due to poor economic planning. And again, you base this on what? The Black Book of Communism? Why isn't Churchill blamed for the manmade famines in Bangladesh and India then? It's dumb. If you count things that way, capitalism has killed hundreds of millions too. It's a completely childish comparison. Stalin and Mao were cruel, but importantly, they were largely reliable international actors -- at least compared to Hitler. That's why no world wars were undertaken to destroy them.

Also, this is some ridiculous false dichotomy. You don't have to embrace communism to oppose Hitler and nazism. This is the fallacy that has led to Ukraine's far right embracing nazism. It has again brought ruin to their country.
You base your things based on random definitions as well (reliable international actor, like wtf). And everyone with half a brain would blame British Empire and USA military for a lot of things.

Reason Churchill doesn't get much **** is because they controlled history for the most part. Just how they with the snap of a finger turned Soviet Union into the new enemy soon after that during the Cold War. Wouldn't you agree that the fact that the USA and Russia almost nuked each other during Cuba Missile Crisis showcases that this reliability metric you made up can change in a blink of an eye? Stalin was dead at that time but it was exactly his successors who run the show right?



agree on the false dichotomy but the two were fighting each other

obviously, a world where hitler won might have been much worse
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
You base your things based on random definitions as well (reliable international actor, like wtf). And everyone with half a brain would blame British Empire and USA military for a lot of things.

Reason Churchill doesn't get much **** is because they controlled history for the most part. Just how they with the snap of a finger turned Soviet Union into the new enemy soon after that during the Cold War. Wouldn't you agree that the fact that the USA and Russia almost nuked each other during Cuba Missile Crisis showcases that this reliability metric you made up can change in a blink of an eye? Stalin was dead at that time but it was exactly his successors who run the show right?



agree on the false dichotomy but the two were fighting each other

obviously, a world where hitler won might have been much worse
No. The fact they didn't nuke each other and built a huge international system, honoring treaties and cooperation for decades, tells me they absolutely were reliable actors. Both the US and Russia have been largely reliable with great powers though both bullied smaller states. Hitler was provocative enough to attack great powers left and right. That is why we had a world war.

But compare the American "conquest" of Europe via NATO to Nazi Germany's. They love us in Europe. We protect them. They want to be in NATO.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
But compare the American "conquest" of Europe via NATO to Nazi Germany's. They love us in Europe. We protect them. They want to be in NATO.
As a direct result of the commies did in Eastern Europe.
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Hmmm, tough one
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
As a direct result of the conquest of the Soviet Union after WWII.
They straight gave that territory to the USSR. It was hardly a conquest. More like a liberation. If you're talking about chit post 1960, I'll remind you that was after Stalin.

My argument is that Stalin was a reliable international actor.
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wincel is the definition
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yet he spends all his day in his mom house listening to her non stop estrogen breakout and rage.

fuk u wincel
cant read a wall of text, this is not back up by kNOWLEDGE OR SCIENCE
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
They straight gave that territory to the USSR. It was hardly a conquest. More like a liberation.
Apart from the fact that they didnt have a vote and didnt have their own gov.

As born and raised in a previous EE Soviet Satellite, NATO is indeed seen as protection but only after the atrocities of the communists there.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Apart from the fact that they didnt have a vote and didnt have their own gov.

As born and raised in a previous EE Soviet Satellite, NATO is indeed seen as protection but only after the atrocities of the communists there.
Yes because communists were totalitarian. But imagine how much worse it would have been under nazis. It's no comparison. They freed your people from the nazis. The nazis were occupying your people first.
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Originally Posted By Kiop⏩
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fuk u wincel
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cut your balls off and never reproduce u fat piece of chit
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
Yes because communists were totalitarian. But imagine how much worse it would have been under nazis. It's no comparison. They freed your people from the nazis. The nazis were occupying your people first.
Not true, Bulgaria willingly accepted Hitler's deal and signed:
The Law for Protection of the Nation (Bulgarian: Закон за защита на нацията — ЗЗН) was a Bulgarian law, effective from 23 January 1941 to 27 November 1944, which directed measures against Jews and others whose legal definition it established.[1] The law was an anti-Jewish racial law passed by the parliament of the Kingdom of Bulgaria in December 1940 along the example of the Nuremberg Laws in Nazi Germany. Under it, Jews were to be refused Bulgarian citizenship, in addition to:

changes in the names of Jews.
exclusion from public service and politics
restrictions on their place of residence.
prohibitions on economic and professional activity.
confiscation of property.
This was voted in.


Have a look at this video, I know this is PragerU but unlike you they do not say "communism was for sure the larger evil"

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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
The nazis were occupying your people first.
Lmao, I just re-read this.

Ok, so if they were "occupying" first, it is OK to liberate by re-occupying.

Also, today I learned that Holodomor cannot be classified as a Holocaust, despite being man-made, because it did not involve the systematism of gas and tubes. (... but don't soviet labour camps meet those requirements???)
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Not true, Bulgaria willingly accepted Hitler's deal and signed:



This was voted in.


Have a look at this video, I know this is PragerU but unlike you they do not say "communism was for sure the larger evil"

Then they freed Bulgaria from nazi collaborator pieces of chit.

PragerU is moronic. Again, Black Book of Communism parroted stats. The death tolls are straight bullchit. Yeah blame Mao for all the famines. This is so dumb. "Enslaved entire nations". Riiight. Because anything short of American freedom = slavery? This is so stupid. I'm sorry I can't get beyond the first minute. Show this to any Russian or Chinese person, and they will laugh hard. It's pure propaganda.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Lmao, I just re-read this.

Ok, so if they were "occupying" first, it is OK to liberate by re-occupying.

Also, today I learned that Holodomor cannot be classified as a Holocaust, despite being man-made, because it did not involve the systematism of gas and tubes. (... but don't soviet labour camps meet those requirements???)
Holodomor was a manmade famine, and it's unclear whether it was deliberate or due to negligence. There were many such famines during the war and after. To pin it all on Stalin is lols. You need to realize holodomor is also used as ammo by Ukrainian neonazis. They play it up to justify their bullchit.

There is this hilarious false equivalency of communism to nazism. It's mindboggling. Some on the American right even try to make communism worse. It's so dishonest, I can only assume those people are fascists trying to rescue nazism.

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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
Holodomor was a manmade famine, and it's unclear whether it was deliberate or due to negligence. There were many such famines during the war and after. To pin it all on Stalin is lols. You need to realize holodomor is also used as ammo by Ukrainian neonazis. They play it up to justify their bullchit.
Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by the European Parliament,[4][32] Ukraine[33] alongside 22 countries, as a genocide against the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet regime.[34]
That is like me finding disputers of Holocaust as well. There are.

I have never read how Pro-Ukrainian forces for the current conflict use it. I only benchmark is against Nazism.


And what about:
The Gulag
The Gulag was a system of forced labor camps established during Joseph Stalin's reign as dictator of the Soviet Union. The notorious prisons, which incarcerated about 18 million people throughout their history, operated from the 1920s until shortly after Stalin's death in 1953.
That is very systematic.
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cut your balls off and never reproduce u fat piece of chit
fuk u

what should i be
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
That is like me finding disputers of Holocaust as well. There are.

I have never read how Pro-Ukrainian forces for the current conflict use it. I only benchmark is against Nazism.


And what about:





That is very systematic.
Unlike the holocaust, all we know is a bunch of Ukrainians starved and there is tons of academic dispute over it being a "genocide". No, because no mainstream academics deny the holocaust happened.

Again, that number is inflated af. There were around 2.65 million people in the Gulag in 1953. This was out of nearly 190 million people in the USSR. In other words, the Gulag was a prisoner work camp system. Was it harsh? Absolutely. But the vast majority of people in there probably deserved to be there. Are we going to consider the American prison system some heinous crime?
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