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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
Unlike the holocaust, all we know is a bunch of Ukrainians starved and there is tons of academic dispute over it being a "genocide". No, because no mainstream academics deny the holocaust happened.

Again, that number is inflated af. There were around 2.65 million people in the Gulag in 1953. This was out of nearly 190 million people in the USSR. In other words, the Gulag was a prisoner work camp system. Was it harsh? Absolutely. But the vast majority of people in there probably deserved to be there. Are we going to consider the American prison system some heinous crime?
The European Parliament:
Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by the European Parliament,[4][32] Ukraine[33] alongside 22 countries, as a genocide against the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet regime.[34]
EU parliament is made up of NATO-allied countries.

Many academic institutions cite is a genocide.


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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
The European Parliament:



EU parliament is made up of NATO-allied countries.

Many academic institutions cite is a genocide.


Do you believe communism works?
Oh wow you don't say that a bunch of NATO countries with political agendas might take an anti-Russian position.

You have to define what you mean by communism and what you mean by "works". Market economies are superior to totally planned ones. Mixed market economies are superior to both. Communism in the sense of what the CCP have adopted with their mixed market certainly works, and probably better than our system. Marxist-Leninism doesn't work. Stalinism style socialism sort of works, but again, planned economies and collectivization don't always work out. It worked enough to build the USSR.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
Oh wow you don't say that a bunch of NATO countries with political agendas might take an anti-Russian position.

You have to define what you mean by communism and what you mean by "works". Market economies are superior to totally planned ones. Mixed market economies are superior to both. Communism in the sense of what the CCP have adopted with their mixed market certainly works, and probably better than our system. Marxist-Leninism doesn't work. Stalinism style socialism sort of works, but again, planned economies and collectivization don't always work out. It worked enough to build the USSR.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
In other words, the Gulag was a prisoner work camp system. Was it harsh? Absolutely. But the vast majority of people in there probably deserved to be there. Are we going to consider the American prison system some heinous crime?
Dafuq? People "deserved to be there" just because the State considered a gulag a prison. Concentration camps were also "prisoner systems" according to the ideology of the Nazis. Where is your evidence Jews didn't deserve to be there? According to their ideology, they had plenty of empirical evidence to put them there and consider them enemy of the state, as much as communist political elite considered contrarians "dissidents".


Also, you were accusing people making false comparisons just 10 mins ago and you can't be serious comparing American prison system with gulags....

If you are not trolling, let me show you a good difference - people went into gulags or concentration camps for saying "I dont like Stalin/Hitler". Who is currently a prisoner in the USA for saying "I dont like Trump/Biden?"
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Dafuq? People "deserved to be there" just because the State considered a gulag a prison. Concentration camps were also "prisoner systems" according to the ideology of the Nazis. Where is your evidence Jews didn't deserve to be there? According to their ideology, they had plenty of empirical evidence to put them there and consider them enemy of the state, as much as communist political elite considered contrarians "dissidents".


Also, you were accusing people making false comparisons just 10 mins ago and you can't be serious comparing American prison system with gulags....

If you are not trolling, let me show you a good difference - people went into gulags or concentration camps for saying "I dont like Stalin/Hitler". Who is currently a prisoner in the USA for saying "I dont like Trump/Biden?"
Yup, he's going full retard itt.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Dafuq? People "deserved to be there" just because the State considered a gulag a prison. Concentration camps were also "prisoner systems" according to the ideology of the Nazis. Where is your evidence Jews didn't deserve to be there? According to their ideology, they had plenty of empirical evidence to put them there and consider them enemy of the state, as much as communist political elite considered contrarians "dissidents".


Also, you were accusing people making false comparisons just 10 mins ago and you can't be serious comparing American prison system with gulags....

If you are not trolling, let me show you a good difference - people went into gulags or concentration camps for saying "I dont like Stalin/Hitler". Who is currently a prisoner in the USA for saying "I dont like Trump/Biden?"
I'm saying most. Not all. Or do you deny that a country should have prisons?

They didn't throw you in jail simply for saying you don't like Stalin privately. They threw you in jail if they suspected you of trying to make a political thing of it.

America jailed tons of people in the 1950s, some of whom were violating patently unjust laws based on segregation and other bs. Why is that not scrutinized? America has a prison worker system of forced labor. Why is that ok?

You think most jews were criminals? Most in the Gulag were criminals. Most in the concentration camps had done nothing wrong.

You need to understand the extent of your brainwashing. You're comparing apples to oranges.

The gulag system was harsh and cruel. Was it as terrible as you are making it out to be? Clearly not. Was the USSR some hellscape prison country with Stalin as the warden? No. It wasn't. People lived their lives and worked. Most people did not go through the Gulag or have anything to do with it.
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"Gulag bad therefore embrace Hitler" is a pretty ass garbage argument bro.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
You need to understand the extent of your brainwashing.
lmao. Zero self awareness.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Yup, he's going full retard itt.
Full retard is somehow equating Stalin with Hitler.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
lmao. Zero self awareness.
Do you know anyone who actually lived in the USSR? It really wasn't bad until the fall. Meanwhile, everyone who lived under Hitler remembers how terrible it was. Don't be a fascist piece of chit and try to rationalize your garbage pls.

You need to realize half the chit you read is American propaganda from the cold war to smear the USSR. If it were that much of a hellscape, how did they achieve so much in math and science, art, and technology?
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
Do you know anyone who actually lived in the USSR? It really wasn't bad until the fall. Meanwhile,everyone who lived under Hitler remembers how terrible it was. Don't be a fascist piece of chit and try to rationalize your garbage pls.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
Oh wow you don't say that a bunch of NATO countries with political agendas might take an anti-Russian position.

You have to define what you mean by communism and what you mean by "works". Market economies are superior to totally planned ones. Mixed market economies are superior to both. Communism in the sense of what the CCP have adopted with their mixed market certainly works, and probably better than our system. Marxist-Leninism doesn't work. Stalinism style socialism sort of works, but again, planned economies and collectivization don't always work out. It worked enough to build the USSR.
This is a balanced post however you have to be careful confusing CCP, which is a Marx-Leninist One totalitarian party, with mixed market economy. The former is how the country is gov and not whether or not the economy is planned.

This is because there is literally no economy right now that is a complete free market economy. Every country has a bit of "socialism" in it - e.g. monopoly regulators blocking mergers (which is basically the definition of state intervention), free tax-funded firefighting capabilities etc.

The only country who has a Marx-Leninist One Party state AND totally planned economy is North Korea.

No idea in what circumstance you can say that a Marx-Leninist One Party state is a good thing.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
Do you know anyone who actually lived in the USSR? It really wasn't bad until the fall. Meanwhile, everyone who lived under Hitler remembers how terrible it was. Don't be a fascist piece of chit and try to rationalize your garbage pls.

You need to realize half the chit you read is American propaganda from the cold war to smear the USSR. If it were that much of a hellscape, how did they achieve so much in math and science, art, and technology?
Why werent people allowed to leave?
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Why werent people allowed to leave?
It wasn't a paradise. It also wasn't terrible. I'll remind you the USSR was a superpower. It was far more economically developed than many countries. They didn't let people leave because the rich would flee. America protects capital and the interests of the wealthy. It has done so for over 100 years.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
This is a balanced post however you have to be careful confusing CCP, which is a Marx-Leninist One totalitarian party, with mixed market economy. The former is how the country is gov and not whether or not the economy is planned.

This is because there is literally no economy right now that is a complete free market economy. Every country has a bit of "socialism" in it - e.g. monopoly regulators blocking mergers (which is basically the definition of state intervention), free tax-funded firefighting capabilities etc.

The only country who has a Marx-Leninist One Party state AND totally planned economy is North Korea.

No idea in what circumstance you can say that a Marx-Leninist One Party state is a good thing.
The CCP is not a ML country. They have a mixed market economy. They respect families and religion. How is it ML? Yes, every country has a bit of socialism in it. You can again thank Stalin for that. In many ways, the USSR was the champion of workers' rights reforms worldwide.

NK also isn't ML. It's based around a largely planned economic system known as Juche.

China's CCP is a one party mixed market economy that has proven highly effective by various metrics, such as crime, economic development, poverty, healthcare, housing, education, scientific research, etc. It's not Marxist Leninist. That is a smear leveled at it by the American far right, who are, largely, batchit.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
It wasn't a paradise. It also wasn't terrible. I'll remind you the USSR was a superpower. It was far more economically developed than many countries. They didn't let people leave because the rich would flee. America protects capital and the interests of the wealthy. It has done so for over 100 years.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Why would the rich flee?
Because they'd get taxed and told they couldn't have yachts until everyone had healthcare.
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The two guys making all the alts are wincel and nvious. Most of them are wincel, like probably 75%+ of them. The way to tell the difference between them when they are altmaxximg is that wincel gets into political bullchit much more often (with obvious turbo liberal worldviews) and is a lot more aggressive/mean spirited.

But yeah, that alt is obviously wincel. Dude made no effort to hide it on that one lol.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
TNK also isn't ML. It's based around a largely planned economic system known as Juche.

China's CCP is a one party mixed market economy that has proven highly effective by various metrics, such as crime, economic development, poverty, healthcare, housing, education, scientific research, etc.
This is how China and NK are defined:
Government Unitary Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist republic

Government Unitary one-party socialist republic under a totalitarian hereditary dictatorship
Don't go on saying how this is wrong because I can use the same thing to say that various "consensus" details about the Holocaust are wrong - number of people killed, justifications etc.


Now, lets take care that last thing about China - China's economic development only happened thanks to dropping USSR ideologies. From the dirt ****hole of course the growth will be staggering.

China aggregately is still quite poor compared to the USA. The only things China beats the USA in - crime rates - can be attributed more towards its ethnic homogeneity rather than being a one party state. Japan and SK have less crime than them yet they have never been socialist.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
This is how China and NK are defined:



Don't go on saying how this is wrong because I can use the same thing to say that various "consensus" details about the Holocaust are wrong - number of people killed, justifications etc.


Now, lets take care that last thing about China - China's economic development only happened thanks to dropping USSR ideologies. From the dirt ****hole of course the growth will be staggering.

China aggregately is still quite poor compared to the USA. The only things China beats the USA in - crime rates - can be attributed more towards its ethnic homogeneity rather than being a one party state. Japan and SK have less crime than them yet they have never been socialist.
No. It is wrong by definition. Look up Marxist-Leninism. It requires a planned economy. How is China a planned economy? China has a mixed market economy. Their development happened due to a number of things. Market reforms and trade with the US helped a lot.

Yes it is quite poor relative to the US. However, by many metrics, the median Chinese person is slowly gaining on the median American. Within a decade or two, China will be the most prosperous nation on Earth. China is not ethnically homogeneous. You just think they are because you lump all Chinese together, which is hilariously ignorant.





Xi is building a fuking grand civilization. His ambition for humanity is nothing short of beautiful and breathtaking. Before we demonize people, we should try to understand their story.

And yes, I've looked into Hitler's story. While I admire his oratory skills and tenacity, his vision was terrible and brought ruin to Germany and the world.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
No. It is wrong by definition. Look up Marxist-Leninism. It requires a planned economy. How is China a planned economy? China has a mixed market economy. Their development happened due to a number of things. Market reforms and trade with the US helped a lot.

Yes it is quite poor relative to the US. However, by many metrics, the median Chinese person is slowly gaining on the median American. Within a decade or two, China will be the most prosperous nation on Earth. China is not ethnically homogeneous. You just think they are because you lump all Chinese together, which is hilariously ignorant.
Marxist-Leninism ideology requires both a one party state and planned economy.

China under Mao was both, China during and after Deng Xaoping (market reformer) is only the former.


Planned economy with a multi-party free election will always result in the party who opposes planned economy being elected and revoking it so that is why they go together.

Although of course modern Vietnam and China are one party states with free market economies (and I do want to stress that every country is a mixed market economy).


There are many nations in Western Europe and East Asia (for East Asia that will be Singapore, Japan, SK) who do not have many of the problems the USA has and whom China won't pass as more prosperous possibly ever.
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1. This looks good because it got built in the last 10 years. The tube in Sofia, Bulgaria looks much better than London, UK tube but the UK tube has been existing for decades.

2. Tokyo and Seoul look the same and have been for decades before this.

3. It is true that a planned economy is what kills and not a one party state. Because free/mixed market create growth regardless. And a fully planned economy with voting results in planned economy removal.

But what I feel like you are implying is that the One Party State of China somehow does things better. There is no evidence for this. You are simply witnessing SCALED (1.4b!) growth from Mao's famine.

I just don't see any benefit from a One Party authoritarian State..... apart from that Shanghai video where people were screaming from their blocks? You wouldn't post that one right though because it does not fit the narrative.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Marxist-Leninism ideology requires both a one party state and planned economy.

China under Mao was both, China during and after Deng Xaoping (market reformer) is only the former.


Planned economy with a multi-party free election will always result in the party who opposes planned economy being elected and revoking it so that is why they go together.

Although of course modern Vietnam and China are one party states with free market economies (and I do want to stress that every country is a mixed market economy).


There are many nations in Western Europe and East Asia (for East Asia that will be Singapore, Japan, SK) who do not have many of the problems the USA has and whom China won't pass as more prosperous possibly ever.
My point is China is no longer ML.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
1. This looks good because it got built in the last 10 years. The tube in Sofia, Bulgaria looks much better than London, UK tube but the UK tube has been existing for decades.

2. Tokyo and Seoul look the same and have been for decades before this.

3. It is true that a planned economy is what kills and not a one party state. Because free/mixed market create growth regardless. And a fully planned economy with voting results in planned economy removal.

But what I feel like you are implying is that the One Party State of China somehow does things better. There is no evidence for this. You are simply witnessing SCALED (1.4b!) growth from Mao's famine.

I just don't see any benefit from a One Party authoritarian State..... apart from that Shanghai video where people were screaming from their blocks? You wouldn't post that one right though because it does not fit the narrative.
go look at Uzbekistan metro...that was built a looong time ago and chits on everything

Anyway, my point is China is building awesome chit and doing rly well.

Tokyo and Seoul are not as green and advanced

I do believe China is doing it better yes. I think the metrics confirm that. You mean during the lockdowns where China prevented millions of deaths? I fully support them.



The Golden Bull rises. Anyway, you are ignoring the advantages of authoritarianism.
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My point is China is no longer ML.
Of course, the major point of ML is the planned economy.

Mao tried to implement it. Failed miserably.

Deng opened the country up and because of it scale it shot up like a strong spring that has had a rock on it being lifted up.

What is so remarkable about it? It is excepted - every country's that was under the USSR's ideological grip standard of living shot up. So?

Tokyo is much better than these cities.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
Tokyo and Seoul are not as green and advanced
I think the metrics confirm that.
The Golden Bull rises. Anyway, you are ignoring the advantages of authoritarianism.
Cite the metrics where China is better than Japan and SK.

Millions of Chinese fled to the USA.

Why arent there Americans doing the same?
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Cite the metrics where China is better than Japan and SK.

Millions of Chinese fled to the USA.

Why arent there Americans doing the same?
I sprcifically mentioned that Tokyo and Seoul are not as green or advanced as Shenzhen. Pretty sure that goes without saying.

Yes they did. And things are changing. Now, many Chinese are staying. The trends are looking very good for China.

Americans might enjoy freedom. The fallacy is assuming that is better long term for a civilization. China's economy will pass America's. It will eventually pass it in per capita GDP as well.
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Originally Posted By Mountaineer92⏩
idk whats sadder...being a communist or a communist wannabe like wincel. not even antifa would accept him lmao.
wincel has hated me ever since I called him out for some of his weird socialist rants on the r/p sub like 5 years ago. He is completely obsessed with the misc in every sense of the word.
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Originally Posted By MichaelMcFail⏩
I sprcifically mentioned that Tokyo and Seoul and not as green or advanced as Shenzhen. Pretty sure that goes without saying.

Yes they did. And things are changing. Now, many Chinese are staying. The trends are looking very good for China.

Americans might enjoy freedom. The fallacy is assuming that is better long term for a civilization. China's economy will pass America's. It will eventually pass it in per capita GDP as well.
What do you mean by green?

CO2 emissions per capita (because obviously China is number 1 in absolute but absolute means dick) is heavily tied to socioeconomic status. Japan and SK have 4x and 3x GDP per capita. What do you expect? You think there won't be any excessive polluting materialism in China? There is right now, let alone when they become richer.

And advanced is something you probably pulled out of the bum.
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