all's he does is put throw a rubber ball in a metal ring

Because the storytelling with MJ is unreal.

Too many things to say but let's start with this. Can you tell me just 1 playoff serie where Jordan was the underdog and still manage to win? Just one please!

Those early 2000s Pistons teams were so good in defense that they had to change the rules. Got rid of hand checking. Ben Wallace - now THAT dude cycled.

The GOAT isn't an argument

Obviously MJ was good, but the level of competition is far higher now with everyone maximizing their nutrition and lifting. That's why you need to compare by adjusting stats by era, then compare by their competition each year

Maybe Luka, maybe not Luka, I think the load management is a good point. But I think players are just getting more and more talented, the league has trended towards guys putting up monster numbers, I mean look at the numbers that players are putting up right now. not to mention the sport is becoming more global so more players are being discovered. arguably the best players in the league right now are international players (luka, embiid, giannis, jokic). Who is to say in the next 20, 30, 40, 50 years that there is somebody who could pass that? I'm sure when Kareem's career was finished there were a lot of people that thought his scoring total was unbeatable. But yeah, I think probably the biggest obstacle is longevity. Lebron is a one of a kind player but there will be players that are perhaps more talented in the future, combined with an offense-centric league who can have that longevity.

This is a take you expect from a 70 year old boomer.

Jordan quit because he was physically and mentally drained... his own word

This is also a really stupid comparison, considering that Lebron is now 4th in all time assists while Jordan is 47th. When Lebron passed Jordan he took far less shots when he did.



Complaining and whining to the ref after missing a wide open potential game winner. But hey he's Jordan so it's "competetive", when it's Bron it's complaining

Lol at rewarding Jordan for quitting twice. Imagine if LeBron quit twice. Morons like you would hold that against him for sure.

Kareem played when the NBA was a contact sport. Lebron plays in an era where you get fouled for glaring at someone. Even basketball legends would pick Jordan over Lebron.

Op in his thread

Is Jordan even the best SG of all time?

lmao

I guess the difference is this.

When I saw MJ play I was in awe. As in this guy is not human he is so good just based on talent.

Only other person I ever saw like that was #99 Wayne Gretzky.

Lebron is certainly dominant. But I have never been in awe of his talent. He was great because of his size and strength and speed.....but not super SUPER special like an MJ as far as pure talent.

Lebron ruined any chance of being considered GOAT by embracing flopping for points and making an already softer league just look ridiculous. I have zero respect for the NBA going the route it did and zero respect for Lebron faking fouls for points.

Can easily find Lebron flop compilation videos....you wont find the same for MJ.

You know what's up.. Lebron is physically dominant.. but skills wise? dude loses the ball in his ugly handles by himself and turns the ball over a lot. Watching Jordan was ART



That being said, this will cement Lebron as ONE of the GOATs.. but GOAT? Bitch please

You guys see how emotional he gets when things don't go his way, that chit is LAUGHABLE he a grown ass man

Will Lebron ever have a winning record in the finals? Just LOL

You know Jordan used to complain all the time too right? He even lobbied to prevent the NBA from allowing a zone defense because he knew what that meant for players like him

But yeah, Jordan definitely had better handles. Which is to be expected, considering he's a guard and Lebron is a big

Although I will say Lebron's scoring isn't even his best quality as a player. His court vision/passing/playmaking ability is his best quality. He's not even a score first guy. So considering he's not a pure scorer like MJ/Durant, it's pretty crazy that he's going to be the all time leader in points

Also you need to consider that Lebron has played in a much tougher era. Jordan was the favorite in every Finals he went into with his super team Bulls, Lebron has been the favorite less than half the time. Jordan never had to compete with a team like the GSW who had multiple all stars + a stacked bench. His biggest opposition in the Finals was old ass Malone/Stockton. And he had Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc on his side

I agree that MJ still has to be the GOAT just due to sheer numbers/wins but there's a huge amount of context being ignored

nope

total bs

This is stupid. There is no one in the league who would take a 10/10 player for 5 years when you could have a 9.5/10 player for 10 years.Lebron is way more skillful and less dependent on insane athletic gifts than Jordan....what are you even talking about?

So you're saying people would rather take a 9.5 player that falls short for ten years over the 10/10 player that wins you back to back to backs, and leaves you in awe with his skill set and killer mentality?

ayee lmao !

No he is not.. fukk outta here lmao. Barging your way to the rim, having no actual handles, does not mean he is skilled.. what the fukk are you even talking about?

How so?

I don't know how you failed to understand this super basic point. Let's use math. A 9.5/10 player has a 40% chance to win the title every year. 4/10 x 10 = 4 expected championships. A 10/10 player has a 50% chance to win the title every year. 5/10 x 5 = 2.5 expected championships. It's not that hard.

Please remember that 80% of my posts about Lebron are hating on him. That being said, he's obviously one of the most skilled players of all time. The most obvious example of this is his 36-38 seasons are the best ever and no one would say current Lebron is an athletic freak. His defensive woes this year make it pretty obvious he physically struggles to keep up.

Lebron is obviously one of the best playmakers the game has ever seen. His basketball IQ, passing, and defensive manipulations make him comparable to Magic. Additionally, he's a highly efficient scorer who dominates in transition and the post. He's going to be all-time leading scorer as a playmaker. In addition to that, he is above average at dribbling and rebounding. Let's not forget he was elite defensively in his prime being able to legitimately guard 1-5. The only thing he is really bad at is free throws.

LeBron isn't a 9.5 player lol.. Dwayne Wade is a 9.5 player, prime AI, KG, Dirk.. LeBron is a 10/10 player

Also a lot of these comments about how MJ "was just different man, you had to be there" are literally just 90's babies reminiscing about their past.

MJ himself stated he'd have a completely different career if he played in the zone defense, when he lobbied against it... That same zone defense Bron won a scoring title and went to a finals with. MJ is lucky because Scottie was a moron with his contract, but more importantly that management didn't listen to a single thing that man said. Cause every player that he wanted was a negative and a detriment to the team.

He's one of the worst GMs in sports, and Jerry Krause told him to stfu and play ball cause all he wants to do is draft and play with UNC guys. He really played at the right time due to the expansion era and the lack of talent being dispersed even further

If he played in today's league, he would be terrible at suggestions to management, and would be a better DeMar DeRozan cause his midrange game would be elite but an atrocious 3pt shooter.

"Lebron James show"

AD doing more but this goes to show how the media's brainwash y'all idiots lmao

proceeds to suck at rebounding, only makes 1 out of 2 free throws, AND potentially losing the game to the Pelicans. L O L

i can't believe this has 6 pages in 3 days on a dead section

Lmfao, dead. You haven’t watched lebron then.

Lebron can't even beat the Pelicans and reach the scoring record in style with wins.. dude barely scrapes by, barging in and missing shots, getting FTs and making only one of them or missing them altogether.. but y'all wanna convince this is the GREATEST of all time... yeah, fukk no lmao

25 6 9 is a pretty good line.