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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
Can you name a specific example of a fossil in which you think shows an example of Darwinian Evolution..?I don't have blind faith in carbon dating and don't know how precise it realistically is. But even if those fossils are 100k years old instead of 2 million years then it doesn't really change the fact that those fossils exist. I disagree with the argument that because some scientists lie about things (blabla whole covid scam and all pharma business in general) doesn't just make any scientific theory invalid.
Personally I just look at a specific theory and choose for myself how viable I think it is. The evolution theory seems pretty solid and I believe it to at least partly true. I do find it hard to conceptualize the whole thing going back to one celled beings.
Personally I just look at a specific theory and choose for myself how viable I think it is. The evolution theory seems pretty solid and I believe it to at least partly true. I do find it hard to conceptualize the whole thing going back to one celled beings.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Everyone who has ever thrown a ball knows how to make that work. Newton's second law man.If you read about space travel, it's not possible.
You can't "fly" in space meaning move the ship around at will and of course there's no energy source that could take a ship anywhere important. We cannot land on planets and take off, etc.
Spacecraft work because we know the path of planets and then people who understand the math time the spacecraft to fly in a straight line until it's by the planet.
We have no spacecraft you can pilot to a planet or whatever because no one knows how to make that work.
You can't "fly" in space meaning move the ship around at will and of course there's no energy source that could take a ship anywhere important. We cannot land on planets and take off, etc.
Spacecraft work because we know the path of planets and then people who understand the math time the spacecraft to fly in a straight line until it's by the planet.
We have no spacecraft you can pilot to a planet or whatever because no one knows how to make that work.
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
but isn't it odd for you then to say lol at ppl defending their ideas when you, yourself, aren't sure to begin with?I have no idea. I don't think human beings currently have the ability to understand it, which is why there are only theories about it. Some people choose to blindly believe in one. The big bang theory seems a bit hard to believe but if there's intelligent design then you can just question who created that intelligent designer. There will always be unanswered questions in the end.
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02-05-2023, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
There's plenty listed here:Can you name a specific example of a fossil in which you think shows an example of Darwinian Evolution..?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus
I don't really feel like going back and forth over specific fossils.
Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Makes perfect sense if my opinion is that we can't know it for sure. Obviously if that's my take on it I will look negatively on people being blindly sure that their theory is the correct one.but isn't it odd for you then to say lol at ppl defending their ideas when you, yourself, aren't sure to begin with?
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This is probably why we haven't encountered aliens.
Every intelligent alien civilization probably reached the same conclusion....they are stuck on the rock they are on and nothing they can do about it.
Every intelligent alien civilization probably reached the same conclusion....they are stuck on the rock they are on and nothing they can do about it.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Landing or taking off from a planet is no different from doing so on the moon.If you read about space travel, it's not possible.
You can't "fly" in space meaning move the ship around at will and of course there's no energy source that could take a ship anywhere important. We cannot land on planets and take off, etc.
Spacecraft work because we know the path of planets and then people who understand the math time the spacecraft to fly in a straight line until it's by the planet.
We have no spacecraft you can pilot to a planet or whatever because no one knows how to make that work.
You can't "fly" in space meaning move the ship around at will and of course there's no energy source that could take a ship anywhere important. We cannot land on planets and take off, etc.
Spacecraft work because we know the path of planets and then people who understand the math time the spacecraft to fly in a straight line until it's by the planet.
We have no spacecraft you can pilot to a planet or whatever because no one knows how to make that work.
In a vacuum with negligible gravity, you can propel an object easily by projecting something in the opposite direction. The current best proposed idea for deep space travel is an ion thruster. You could put multiple of these at various angles on the craft to control travel in different directions.
The physics behind it isn't complicated, the only thing lacking is money, political will and aversion to danger like I said.
I understand Newtonian physics and Keplerian orbital mechanics, it's really not that hard. 'Rocket science' is easy compared to other areas of physics.
02-05-2023, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
Those have all been "debunked" as missing links..like I said, I can go through any of them if you like. You need to stop believing what you are told..you've seen the bullchit the scientific community can put out and how narrative changes with funding..it's always been the case..do your research, that's all I'm askingThere's plenty listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus
I don't really feel like going back and forth over specific fossils.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus
I don't really feel like going back and forth over specific fossils.
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Originally Posted By Paul
You're trying to argue that some people from a "community" have lied for financial gain, therefore anything somebody you attribute to that same community has said cannot be true. By that logic some miscers have said chit that's dumb and untrue so you, belonging to that same community, say dumb and untrue chit as well. It's logically unsound to discredit every scientist because some scientists are ****g0ts.Those have all been "debunked" as missing links..like I said, I can go through any of them if you like. You need to stop believing what you are told..you've seen the bullchit the scientific community can put out and how narrative changes with funding..it's always been the case..do your research, that's all I'm asking
Feel free to post any debunking theories you want, but I don't rate your logical and critical thinking skills very high based on past interactions I've had with you. I might give some of it a read anyway.
02-05-2023, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
When funding and pay structure is stacked against academia science in favor of paradigm consensus, it creates an unfair, inaccurate and corrupt narrative.You're trying to argue that some people from a "community" have lied for financial gain, therefore anything somebody you attribute to that same community has said cannot be true. By that logic some miscers have said chit that's dumb and untrue so you, belonging to that same community, say dumb and untrue chit as well. It's logically unsound to discredit every scientist because some scientists are ****g0ts.
Feel free to post any debunking theories you want, but I don't rate your logical and critical thinking skills very high based on past interactions I've had with you. I might give some of it a read anyway.
Feel free to post any debunking theories you want, but I don't rate your logical and critical thinking skills very high based on past interactions I've had with you. I might give some of it a read anyway.
I already gave you how Darwinian evolution is portrayed in nature..it is simply Epigenetics, if you want me to discuss a specific "missing link" the big bang, or even how the most popular Scientific Experiment concerning evolution..The Lenski Experiment proves evolution to be false I'm happy to do so.
Nothing I have ever posted has been incorrect..please give an example of such
02-05-2023, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
That made me chuckle. Every time you're disproven you either just straight up deny it or come up with some even more outrageous chit that's not even worth replying too.When funding and pay structure is stacked against academia science in favor of paradigm consensus, it creates an unfair, inaccurate and corrupt narrative.
I already gave you how Darwinian evolution is portrayed in nature..it is simply Epigenetics, if you want me to discuss a specific "missing link" the big bang, or even how the most popular Scientific Experiment concerning evolution..The Lenski Experiment proves evolution to be false I'm happy to do so.
Nothing I have ever posted has been incorrect..please give an example of such
I already gave you how Darwinian evolution is portrayed in nature..it is simply Epigenetics, if you want me to discuss a specific "missing link" the big bang, or even how the most popular Scientific Experiment concerning evolution..The Lenski Experiment proves evolution to be false I'm happy to do so.
Nothing I have ever posted has been incorrect..please give an example of such
02-05-2023, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
There isn’t a “missing link” because nothing is static, all species are changing - you’re acting like there is some final form than then changed. Literally every fossil is an example of evolution because it’s always occurring.Those have all been "debunked" as missing links..like I said, I can go through any of them if you like. You need to stop believing what you are told..you've seen the bullchit the scientific community can put out and how narrative changes with funding..it's always been the case..do your research, that's all I'm asking
It would be like having a photo of your face taken every day you had been alive and asking someone to pick -the- photo of when you were “young” or “old.” It’s just not how this works.
02-05-2023, 01:49 PM
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Wasting your time, Paul
The ones that argue in cognitive dissonance refuse to grasp that what has been ingrained "academically" their whole life is nothing but theoretical(s), which is how our infantile science operates("science" always follows the narrative of dollars)
Digressing back to my original repeated point, to believe everything is pure coincidence is asinine & devoid of logic; the chances of our planet being where it is, let alone having everything needed to sustain 8 billion+ lives is so astronomically small it's incalculable
People that deny creationism, effectively nihilists, are upset that there is a being, a force, that exists above all other life, that they are not in control; you can call that being whatever you like, what you can't deny is it(He) is our creator
The ones that argue in cognitive dissonance refuse to grasp that what has been ingrained "academically" their whole life is nothing but theoretical(s), which is how our infantile science operates("science" always follows the narrative of dollars)
Digressing back to my original repeated point, to believe everything is pure coincidence is asinine & devoid of logic; the chances of our planet being where it is, let alone having everything needed to sustain 8 billion+ lives is so astronomically small it's incalculable
People that deny creationism, effectively nihilists, are upset that there is a being, a force, that exists above all other life, that they are not in control; you can call that being whatever you like, what you can't deny is it(He) is our creator
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
such as...That made me chuckle. Every time you're disproven you either just straight up deny it or come up with some even more outrageous chit that's not even worth replying too.
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Originally Posted By blissful88⏩
In the end what you believe is still pure faith and nothing what you believe can be proven. It just feels like the most logical option in your brain but you're incapable of ever proving intelligent design.Wasting your time, Paul
The ones that argue in cognitive dissonance refuse to grasp that what has been ingrained "academically" their whole life is nothing but theoretical(s), which is how our infantile science operates("science" always follows the narrative of dollars)
Digressing back to my original repeated point, to believe everything is pure coincidence is asinine & devoid of logic; the chances of our planet being where it is, let alone having everything needed to sustain 8 billion+ lives is so astronomically small it's incalculable
People that deny creationism, effectively nihilists, are upset that there is a being, a force, that exists above all other life; you can call that being whatever you like, what you can't deny is it(He) is our creator
The ones that argue in cognitive dissonance refuse to grasp that what has been ingrained "academically" their whole life is nothing but theoretical(s), which is how our infantile science operates("science" always follows the narrative of dollars)
Digressing back to my original repeated point, to believe everything is pure coincidence is asinine & devoid of logic; the chances of our planet being where it is, let alone having everything needed to sustain 8 billion+ lives is so astronomically small it's incalculable
People that deny creationism, effectively nihilists, are upset that there is a being, a force, that exists above all other life; you can call that being whatever you like, what you can't deny is it(He) is our creator
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Originally Posted By blissful88⏩
Yes, but if it wasn’t we wouldn’t be here. It’s like a puddle claiming the hole it filled had to be designed because it fit perfectly within it.Digressing back to my original repeated point, to believe everything is pure coincidence is asinine & devoid of logic; the chances of our planet being where it is, let alone having everything needed to sustain 8 billion+ lives is so astronomically small it's incalculable
And just absolutely fcking lol at someone wanting to claim some omnipotent being created a perfect world just for them calling people who thinks it’s random chance nihilistic.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
no..there are changes within a species..epigenetics, but there is no continual change of species kind transitioning from one to anotherThere isn’t a “missing link” because nothing is static, all species are changing - you’re acting like there is some final form than then changed. Literally every fossil is an example of evolution because it’s always occurring.
It would be like having a photo of your face taken every day you had been alive and asking someone to pick -the- photo of when you were “young” or “old.” It’s just not how this works.
It would be like having a photo of your face taken every day you had been alive and asking someone to pick -the- photo of when you were “young” or “old.” It’s just not how this works.
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
It's not faith..the Big bang is a physical impossibility, and abiogenesis is a mathematical impossibilityIn the end what you believe is still pure faith and nothing what you believe can be proven. It just feels like the most logical option in your brain but you're incapable of ever proving intelligent design.
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@Paul lol can you at least admit you like me a bit more now
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Originally Posted By Paul
So all the species we know used to exist, going way - way - back, those were all magically blinked into existence just so they could be wiped out?no..there are changes within a species..epigenetics, but there is no continual change of species kind transitioning from one to another
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
I've always liked you bro, you are knowledgable and give good reason/defense for your faith, something us Christians need to be able to do more often@Paul lol can you at least admit you like me a bit more now
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
your post did not address my comment..did you want to discuss the flood now?So all the species we know used to exist, going way - way - back, those were all magically blinked into existence just so they could be wiped out?
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ITT I learned that science isn't to be trusted, instead I should listen to the instincts of a random ****ot on a gay lifting board. Sound logic, crazy I never thought about it before.
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Im more interested in what is inside planet earth. Since we are like a virus to the earth's surface, what if there's another species living underground in middle earth that look at us like scum and parasites
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Originally Posted By Paul
Seems like the point went right over your head. You quoted a post where I talk about that you can't prove intelligent design and your response is about the big bang. If you quote a post it would make sense to reply to the content of that post.It's not faith..the Big bang is a physical impossibility, and abiogenesis is a mathematical impossibility
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Sure but throwing a ball isn't flying the ball.Everyone who has ever thrown a ball knows how to make that work. Newton's second law man.
I can't throw a ball around a corner or do anything about it if I miss.
A plane can take off then decide where it wants to go, change direction, etc and that's because in our atmosphere a plane can use it to change directions. There's no easy way to do that in space because jets would have to be on all surfaces of a ship to make it fly like a plane.
So, a spaceship is just like a thrown ball.
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Originally Posted By Paul
I did indeed address it. You’re claiming that plants and animals etc., can’t evolve into something new. So I’m asking is it your claim that all the species we know used to exist and now don’t were created by someone so that they could be wiped out later?your post did not address my comment..did you want to discuss the flood now?
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Originally Posted By Paul
Just a student brah and will remain like that and like to discuss specifically with Christians due to both of us having a relationship with Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him).I've always liked you bro, you are knowledgable and give good reason/defense for your faith, something us Christians need to be able to do more often
Think it's good for all of us to acquire whatever knowledge we can and try our best (since we will slip sometimes) not to speak out of ignorance.
Brothers in Christ (even if we differ) and I hope that one day you (and my Christian brahs) look into Islam.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Not true.Landing or taking off from a planet is no different from doing so on the moon.
In a vacuum with negligible gravity, you can propel an object easily by projecting something in the opposite direction. The current best proposed idea for deep space travel is an ion thruster. You could put multiple of these at various angles on the craft to control travel in different directions.
The physics behind it isn't complicated, the only thing lacking is money, political will and aversion to danger like I said.
I understand Newtonian physics and Keplerian orbital mechanics, it's really not that hard. 'Rocket science' is easy compared to other areas of physics.
In a vacuum with negligible gravity, you can propel an object easily by projecting something in the opposite direction. The current best proposed idea for deep space travel is an ion thruster. You could put multiple of these at various angles on the craft to control travel in different directions.
The physics behind it isn't complicated, the only thing lacking is money, political will and aversion to danger like I said.
I understand Newtonian physics and Keplerian orbital mechanics, it's really not that hard. 'Rocket science' is easy compared to other areas of physics.
Look at Mars probes, they cannot land, they must crash land with airbags.
A ship with humans would need a lot of fuel to land, via gravity beating retro rockets, and then massive fuel to take off, and it's not possible.
It's not me making this up or guessing, it's the real issue.
We are nowhere close to any of this stuff.
We would need some kind of "reactor" shooting out an endless force of some kind to beat the liquid/gas fuel problem and we have nothing like that.
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
okay, let's take DNA as an example. For your model to work (Abiogenesis) data would HAVE to make decisions, that's where your fault lies. One of the greatest discoveries of 21st century in Biology is that the foundation of life is a digital form. The DNA MOLECULE STORES INFORMATION IN A FOUR CHARACTER DIGITAL CODE. Watson discovered all this in the 50's, and it has created quite he predicament in both chemical evolutionary theory (the theories of the orgin of first life) & theories of biological evolutionary as well I.e.how you get new forms of life from pre-existing forms. To build ANYTHING in Biology you HAVE to have CODE. You have to have information...information cannot make decisions on it's own..and it will never stumble into making substantial gains within itself without outside direction..Seems like the point went right over your head. You quoted a post where I talk about that you can't prove intelligent design and your response is about the big bang. If you quote a post it would make sense to reply to the content of that post.
Genomes of animals were created by a genius. Here is part of the mouse genome on chromosome number 2, maybe someone can explain the function of this sequence of nucleotide bases...
gcagtggaca caggaatacg cagtggacac aggaatatgc agtggagaca ggaatacgca gtggacacag gaatacgcag tggacacagg aatacgcagt ggacacagga atacgcagtg gagacaggaa tatgcagtgg agacaggaat acgcagtgga cacaggaata cgcagtggac acaggaatac gcagtggaga ctggaatatg cagtggagac aggaacacgc agtggagaca ggaatatgca gtggagacag gaatacgcag tggagacagg aatacgcagt ggacacagga atacgcagtg gagacaggaa tacgcagtgg agacaggaac acgcagtgga gacaggaaca cgcagtggag acaggaatac gctgtggaga caggaataca ctgggtcggt ttggacgttg gtgctgggga ttgaagcaag ccttgaacgc gaccagacag tgctgtaact gaactgcttc ttccctgggg cagtgtttct ttcagttccg aggttctgct cacctggttt ctaatttatg cagataaatc tctgggtcaa gcataagtgt gcctacaact ttagcccttg gaagggaaag gcaggggatt gggagtttaa ccccaacctg cactgcgcag tgagactcta tctcaaaata ataatattgc agttggtaat cgggtctgtg aatccaaaat agtcctgaaa tatcatgttt tatcagtctc ttttataaaa acctaacaat attaccaaaa agccattgga ctgtctggag tactggagtt gggagcatta gaaaatgagg aaacagacag tggctctctg ctgctgcctg tctgaaggtg tagaaggtcc tccattggta gaggtttcaa gcagaaggca gcagtattgc cattcatctc tctgtctttc tccttcacag gagtatttct tgcaagcaga gttgacaagt aacgttttga aaacaggagt ggtccactgc tgtgtggggc agtgcaacaa caccatccct gtggacacca tccttaccat gaagaaactg cctatcactt atgtacgttc actgtgggag ttaagtcact caagcacctt ttcttgcttg tgcgttatgt gtctgtctag gttctggatg agggaggtaa tggagtcgtt tctataatgc ttccttcccc aagagttttc tatggaagca tggcagatgt gagttctgcc tttttgtcag agatggaacc aatgatctaa agtgagttgg gttggatgac tgctatttcc tgggtgtgct aaagacttcc agcctgggag gttgagctgt gctgagagac ctcagagggg agctgtttgc ctggaggacc tggttcaatc tttctttgtt ctttatctct ttcttattct ctggtgctag aaactgagca tgctagttgt gtactccagc gctcagcagt ccctagttct ttatctcctg atgggatgat tgtgttagtc ctctaaagga ctgggatgga gttgagtcta gatcagtgat cagtgggtgt gcacagccac aatgaattag catgttagca gatgtgacag taattcggcg ctttttggtg aaaaattttt atccttagat tgtcccttac tctttttctt atccatcctt gtagagcaac aggaaggaaa acaagggtgg ctacctctgc cactcatgtg cagagcagcg catcgggcct ttggcattcc tgactgcctc
This is only a small part of the 2,700,000,000 nucleotide bases that can create a mouse. If anyone believes that this is a result of random chance then they are mentally retarded.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
we decided to wipe out life..not God. We are responsible for not only our lives but the treatment of all lifeI did indeed address it. You’re claiming that plants and animals etc., can’t evolve into something new. So I’m asking is it your claim that all the species we know used to exist and now don’t were created by someone so that they could be wiped out later?
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