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post 1678024463 02-27-2023, 01:40 PM
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You're asking why public health officials think vaccination is worthwhile?

Because data suggests it reduces the risk of severe illness and death.

We have been over this guys. Come on.
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Originally Posted By adamsteve14
Yet you advocate for those measures and seem bullish on their effect.

Seasonal illnesses come and go. What persists is our ability to live as sovereign, free people. When governments and Pharma companies conspire to restrict your freedoms, you would be foolish to be on the fence. Especially over something that equates to the sniffles for most.
Write your congressman.
post 1678024813 02-27-2023, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron
And what does it do if you already have natural immunity?
Natural immunity varies greatly. It depends on what the person made antibodies to, and how good the binding is. It could range from bolstering their immune response to doing not much of anything at all.
post 1678025173 02-27-2023, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron
From OP :



So let me ask the question again...

And what does it do if you already have natural immunity?
The answer is again exactly what I just said.

Natural immunity varies greatly. It depends on what the person made antibodies to, and how good the binding is. It could range from bolstering their immune response to doing not much of anything at all.
post 1678025413 02-27-2023, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron
So the answer to the question of

"What does the vaccine do if you already have natural immunity?"

in your mind is

"Natural immunity varies greatly. It depends on what the person made antibodies to, and how good the binding is. It could range from bolstering their immune response to doing not much of anything at all."

Please note I asked what the vaccine does, not what natural immunity is. Your blanket statement that you just googled has nothing to do with what I just asked.

Just LOL @ pseudointellectuals srs.
Try actually reading the second sentence.

I'm flattered you think my responses are googled.
post 1678025433 02-27-2023, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted By adamsteve14
.4% requiring hospitalization for those under 40. The rate of hospitalization for the elderly is statistical noise leading to an inaccurate representation of the risk of covid for the vast majority of the population.

So it makes sense to you to impose a ‘vaccine’ on those who aren’t at risk of severe illness without the added benefit of data supporting lower risk of transmission?

I don’t know if you’re an authoritarian, a moron, or both.
He's a wannabe authoritarian, because he's been weak and powerless his entire life.
post 1678025503 02-27-2023, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
He's a wannabe authoritarian, because he's been weak and powerless his entire life.
Don't you work for someone?
post 1678025533 02-27-2023, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze
Again,

I didn't impose anything on anyone. Perhaps you should take your argument to your governor at the time or the President.

I personally don't care whether they mandate it or not. But data suggests they worked at getting people to get vaccinated. Whether the ends justify the means is a matter of opinion. I can't objectively defend either side nor do I care much for this issue. I voluntarily got vaccinated, and so did most in my community.
You posted that those who violated the lockdowns should have been executed.

And yeah, you live in Portland, what a shocker, your "community" still wears a mask.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze
Don't you work for someone?
I work for a city, and answer the calls of civilians.
post 1678025573 02-27-2023, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
You posted that those who violated the lockdowns should have been executed.

And yeah, you live in Portland, what a shocker, your "community" still wears a mask.
Please show the post.
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
I work for a city, and answer the calls of civilians.
Ok so the entire city has power over you. That's kind of sad.
post 1678025613 02-27-2023, 01:56 PM
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The available data suggest the robustness of "natural" immunity is proportional to severity of infection. So if someone's "natural" immunity was from a mild infection, it may not be as robust as the acquired immunity from vaccination.
post 1678025643 02-27-2023, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron
So does the second part reference the natural immunity, or what the vaccine does?

And I don't think... I know.
What the vaccine does. I was hoping you'd understand I was directly answering your question. And I know you don't think.

Are you on the spectrum?
post 1678025673 02-27-2023, 01:58 PM
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These natural immunity findings surely must confirm the natural origin theory because they are both natural.
post 1678025713 02-27-2023, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted By Seatard
These natural immunity findings surely must confirm the natural origin theory because they are both natural.
This is dumb. Even for you.
post 1678025783 02-27-2023, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
The available data suggest the robustness of "natural" immunity is proportional to severity of infection. So if someone's "natural" immunity was from a mild infection, it may not be as robust as the acquired immunity from vaccination.
And then severity of infection also brings with it some pretty terrible consequences. So there is that to consider as well.
post 1678026393 02-27-2023, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron
The person who thought it was a perfectly acceptable action to spam a message board with gay porn is asking me if I am "on the spectrum".

Here's the thing, when dealing with intellectually dishonest individuals such as yourself, one does have to question each and every statement to fully validate what they mean.

Thank you for clearing up what you meant.

So let's go back to your answer:



"Doing not much of anything at all".

And there you have it folks, even wincel agrees that there was no reason to get an experimental gene therapy if you already got covid.
"Could range from" doesn't mean "take the worst case." But believe whatever you want.

It's a free country.

post 1678026593 02-27-2023, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
So kinda like many suggested: balance the risks of immunonaive infection against the risks of vaccination.
Pipe down you botched abortion.1/3rd of the US population had already been infected by the time they were giving elderly their first jabs.Tyranny loving paniccels like yourself were everywhere denying prior infection should count for anything. Already infected? Too bad, get jabbed to be able to attend university.....even students taking entirely virtual classes. Tens of millions of people in the US were forced to get jabs after knowing they had already been infected. With especially Moderna's shots that was a problem.

-The CDC way downplayed natural immunity from the beginning. The CDC!!!
-For the second half of 2021 the CDC, including it's director Walensky lied that the jabs were superior to prior infection. Mass media ran with the lie.
-In the fall of 2020 the CDC had infections correct, a bit over 80 million through Halloween. When the vaccines were announced they backtracked claiming the number of already infected was much lower. All to get more Pfizer Pfluid in people's arms. Brazen corruption.

-All mass media said prior infection was next to worthless, as did corrupted doctors (i.e. Sanja Gupta and so many more) making the rounds on CNN, MSNBC, etc.
-Constant fake studies claiming natural immunity faded quickly, so jabs were the only way to stay protected.
-Essentially zero travel allowed between the US and Canada until vaxxed. Already infected? Worth nothing.
-Entire states disregarded prior infection, our 2 largest cities wouldn't let people eat in restaurants unless they had jabs.
-US President Joe Biden pissed on natural immunity by trying vaccine mandates after well over half of the US population had already been infected.
-The denial of natural immunity has let the CDC way overstate deaths from Covid, by at least double, probably closer to triple by now.


Fhagots like you were insisting everyone under 40 needed to get double jabbed despite risks from the vaccines being higher in young men than the virus. I could go on and on and make this 10,000 words easily about the denial of natural immunity in especially the US and Canada. The anti-science that was pushed, the denial of basic facts was everywhere. Our BOUGHT AND PAID FOR MEDIA were denying natural immunity to keep those Pfizer dollars rolling in.


Naked corruption, big government lovers pushing big government and Big Pharma lies.
Trust in public health and media are the lowest they've ever been thanks to you fhaggots. Deservedly so.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Source please.
Source that dose matters?
post 1678026663 02-27-2023, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20
Pipe down you botched abortion.1/3rd of the US population had already been infected by the time they were giving elderly their first jabs.Tyranny loving paniccels like yourself were everywhere denying prior infection should count for anything. Already infected? Too bad, get jabbed to be able to attend university.....even students taking entirely virtual classes. Tens of millions of people in the US were forced to get jabs after knowing they had already been infected. With especially Moderna's shots that was a problem.

-The CDC way downplayed natural immunity from the beginning. The CDC!!!
-For the second half of 2021 the CDC, including it's director Walensky lied that the jabs were superior to prior infection. Mass media ran with the lie.
-In the fall of 2020 the CDC had infections correct, a bit over 80 million through Halloween. When the vaccines were announced they backtracked claiming the number of already infected was much lower. All to get more Pfizer Pfluid in people's arms. Brazen corruption.

-All mass media said prior infection was next to worthless, as did doctors making the rounds on CNN, MSNBC, etc.
-Constant fake studies claiming natural immunity faded quickly, so jabs were the only way to stay protected.
-Essentially zero travel allowed between the US and Canada until vaxxed. Already infected? Worth nothing.
-Entire states disregarded prior infection, our 2 largest cities wouldn't let people eat in restaurants unless they had jabs.
-US President Joe Biden pissed on natural immunity by trying vaccine mandates after well over half of the US population had already been infected.

Fhagots like you were insisting everyone under 40 needed to get double jabbed despite risks from the vaccines being higher in young men than the virus. I could go on and on and make this 10,000 words easily about the denial of natural immunity in especially the US and Canada. The anti-science that was pushed, the denial of basic facts was everywhere. Our BOUGHT AND PAID FOR MEDIA were denying natural immunity to keep those Pfizer dollars rolling in.


Naked corruption, big government lovers pushing big government and Big Pharma lies.
Trust in public health and media are the lowest they've ever been thanks to you fhaggots. Deservedly so.
None of what you posted is related to my comment.
post 1678027013 02-27-2023, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Was your comment related to the topic?
Yes.
post 1678027173 02-27-2023, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Was your comment related to the topic?
Define "related". Any two topics can be related generally. This is a mathematical fact.

post 1678027433 02-27-2023, 02:28 PM
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post 1678027463 02-27-2023, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
None of what you posted is related to my comment.
It's directly related. Besides, you didn't even read what I wrote. Your response above is 1 minute after mine.
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post 1678027643 02-27-2023, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20
It's directly related. Besides, you didn't even read what I wrote. Your response above is 1 minute after mine.
It doesn't take long to read an ad strawminem
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Face it Winnie and JLC there's nothing you guys were right about with Covid. You copy pasted government and pharma propaganda as soon as they put it out, all of which has turned out to be wrong. Every step of the way. And the world is much worse off for your Branch Covidian beliefs.
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20
Face it Winnie and JLC there's nothing you guys were right about with Covid. You copy pasted government and pharma propaganda as soon as they put it out, all of which has turned out to be wrong. Every step of the way. And the world is much worse off for your Branch Covidian beliefs.
Only thing missing from these discussions is Stoolie. Stoolie fuking LOVED him some Rona, and you'd better be ready to throw down if you ever disrespected it around him!
It's a hot night. The mind races. You think about your knife: the only friend who hasn't betrayed you, the only friend who won't be dead by sunup. Sleep tight mates, in your quilted chambray night shirts.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
It doesn't take long to read an ad strawminem
My descriptions were rather tepid and conservative compared to what actually happened.
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20
Face it Winnie and JLC there's nothing you guys were right about with Covid. You copy pasted government and pharma propaganda as soon as they put it out, all of which has turned out to be wrong. Every step of the way. And the world is much worse off for your Branch Covidian beliefs.
Quoted for truth
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20
My descriptions were rather tepid and conservative compared to what actually happened.
Really?
Originally Posted By frankdtank20
Pipe down you botched abortion.
How does this relate to dose dependence of immune response?
1/3rd of the US population had already been infected by the time they were giving elderly their first jabs.Tyranny loving paniccels like yourself were everywhere denying prior infection should count for anything. Already infected? Too bad, get jabbed to be able to attend university.....even students taking entirely virtual classes. Tens of millions of people in the US were forced to get jabs after knowing they had already been infected. With especially Moderna's shots that was a problem.

These read like policies you didn't like or disagreed with none of which are related to my comment regarding immune response being dependent on dose.
-The CDC way downplayed natural immunity from the beginning. The CDC!!!
-For the second half of 2021 the CDC, including it's director Walensky lied that the jabs were superior to prior infection. Mass media ran with the lie.
-In the fall of 2020 the CDC had infections correct, a bit over 80 million through Halloween. When the vaccines were announced they backtracked claiming the number of already infected was much lower. All to get more Pfizer Pfluid in people's arms. Brazen corruption.
Okay. Is your position that immune response is not dose dependent?
-All mass media said prior infection was next to worthless, as did corrupted doctors (i.e. Sanja Gupta and so many more) making the rounds on CNN, MSNBC, etc.
-Constant fake studies claiming natural immunity faded quickly, so jabs were the only way to stay protected.
-Essentially zero travel allowed between the US and Canada until vaxxed. Already infected? Worth nothing.
-Entire states disregarded prior infection, our 2 largest cities wouldn't let people eat in restaurants unless they had jabs.
-US President Joe Biden pissed on natural immunity by trying vaccine mandates after well over half of the US population had already been infected.
-The denial of natural immunity has let the CDC way overstate deaths from Covid, by at least double, probably closer to triple by now.
This seems like criticism of mass media and policy, rather than arguing against my points.
Fhagots like you were insisting everyone under 40 needed to get double jabbed despite risks from the vaccines being higher in young men than the virus. I could go on and on and make this 10,000 words easily about the denial of natural immunity in especially the US and Canada. The anti-science that was pushed, the denial of basic facts was everywhere. Our BOUGHT AND PAID FOR MEDIA were denying natural immunity to keep those Pfizer dollars rolling in.
I don't think I've ever insisted anyone do anything.
Naked corruption, big government lovers pushing big government and Big Pharma lies.
Trust in public health and media are the lowest they've ever been thanks to you fhaggots. Deservedly so.
I'm not sure what this has to do with me, but I agree that government responses to the pandemic have decimated trust in public health and would extend that to science in general.
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Ad strawminem isn't really a thing.

But, I use the term to describe a situation where someone invents a ridiculous story about me and then uses that ridiculous story as a reason to not addressing anything actually contained in my posts.

Ad strawminems are more often than not, followed by a "trust me, bro"
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