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Thread: Bodhy BTFO Again: US Govt admits Covid likely made in lab

post 1678069953 02-28-2023, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Really, last post here because it's really too late, but you're shifting the burden of proof by demanding the case for natural origins. The OP makes a bold claim but wanting of evidence. I can't see what tenet of debating and argument I'm violating. But I can see yours quite clearly.

I'll come back in the morning and I fully expect to see diversion and lame personal insults, but no actual evidence.
There are no lame personal insults beyond your own hubris getting you caught in the middle of a post-graduate, at least undergraduate, PhD conundrum.

You made your own bed, chief. It’s probably good you get some sleep, you’ve got some serious explaining to do in the morning.
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Originally Posted By TheFornicator1⏩
He’s already tried that.
Jesus Christ......of course he has......
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
So, what, I respectfully ask for a discussion on the new empirical evidence for the lab leak theory (and I only brought up the Chicken Nugget Crew because the OP proudly boasts the nuggety nature of such a victory) and you behave like this?


I think it's pretty obvious you don't have the knowledge to actually make a scientific case here. If you did, you'd simply have presented an argument like a reasonable, scientifically literate adult would. Reliance has a PhD in the field I believe and I've got at least undergraduate with honours in biochem/molecular bio. I don't think we are wanting for scientific literacy.

I think you are not only lacking in some empirical evidence, but you're simply unaware of what the scientific community knows about natural origins, either. Like I said, empirical evidence trumps smoke n' mirrors anyday.
Did the virus originate from China? Yes or No?
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Originally Posted By Audioslave⏩
You'll never find a post of me saying the virus came from a lab or was originated naturally.... because we don't know. And there is still no consensus around it. The only ones I'm skeptical of are the ones who believe theyknowit came from a lab orknowit was originated naturally. I don't care which side you're on but if youknow it as factone way or the other, then there is no point in even having a discussion about it because no evidence or logic in the world could ever change one's mind.
It's safe to not take a side......
post 1678079523 02-28-2023, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
It's safe to not take a side......
True.... and I would argue safety is a good thing. But I would say it's dangerous to take a side with certainty in something that we are very uncertain of.
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Originally Posted By Audioslave⏩
True.... and I would argue safety is a good thing. But I would say it's dangerous to take a side with certainty in something that we are very uncertain of.
Is it safe to say it originated in China?

Also

10 myths told by COVID experts — and now debunked

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....-debunked/amp/

Imagine everything people like you believed in the past 3 years.
post 1678089533 02-28-2023, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted By TheFornicator1⏩
The transcript is in the post! LogicalLifts has the receipt, moran!
are you being facetious or was it posted then taken down?
All i see is part of a standard invoice templet out of word or something that says jack chit about what it is actually for.

but i'm on the firewall so may be blocked?
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Originally Posted By Audioslave⏩
You'll never find a post of me saying the virus came from a lab or was originated naturally.... because we don't know. And there is still no consensus around it. The only ones I'm skeptical of are the ones who believe theyknowit came from a lab orknowit was originated naturally. I don't care which side you're on but if youknow it as factone way or the other, then there is no point in even having a discussion about it because no evidence or logic in the world could ever change one's mind.
^^Solid post.

That is why I always laugh at Bodhy and Reliance012, who both claim it is definitely natural origins.

While I do tend to lean towards lab leak, I have made it abundantly clear that there is no conclusive evidence in either direction.
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Highly likely that COVID-19 came from the depths of Bodhy's butt hole.
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
^^Solid post.

That is why I always laugh at Bodhy and Reliance012, who both claim it is definitely natural origins.

While I do tend to lean towards lab leak, I have made it abundantly clear that there is no conclusive evidence in either direction.
Hysterical. The entire right wing media is running victory laps because this one department said they think itmighthave come from the lab with LOW CONFIDENCE.

Meanwhile the majority of the intelligence agencies disagree.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/polit...ins/index.html


And let's not forget why this became politicized. Trump did it when he went to podium one week after the pandemic started and blamed the lab. And every one of you Trumpers jumped on board and have been spewing this crap nonstop.

But now suddenly gwg77 (and all the others) want to pretend theyneverclaimed it came from the lab.... FUKING LOL.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Hysterical. The entire right wing media is running victory laps because this one department said they think itmighthave come from the lab with LOW CONFIDENCE.

Meanwhile the majority of the intelligence agencies disagree.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/polit...ins/index.html

- Source CNN...from the guy always screeching about other peoples' sources.

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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Hysterical. The entire right wing media is running victory laps because this one department said they think itmighthave come from the lab with LOW CONFIDENCE.

Meanwhile the majority of the intelligence agencies disagree.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/polit...ins/index.html


And let's not forget why this became politicized. Trump did it when he went to podium one week after the pandemic started and blamed the lab. And every one of you Trumpers jumped on board and have been spewing this crap nonstop.

But now suddenly gwg77 (and all the others) want to pretend theyneverclaimed it came from the lab.... FUKING LOL.
What crack are you smoking? I've always said I lean towards lab leak but acknowledge there is no evidence for either theory.
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
What crack are you smoking? I've always said I lean towards lab leak but acknowledge there is no evidence for either theory.
You gonna pretend this entire forum as well as the entire Trump base hasn't been screeching this from day one after Trump made the claim with zero evidence?..
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
You gonna pretend this entire forum as well as the entire Trump base hasn't been screeching this from day one after Trump made the claim with zero evidence?..
I don't care what other people on this forum say, I've always maintained that I lean towards lab leak theory, but fully acknowledge that the evidence is not there because China will not cooperate.


9/19/2021:
Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
A bunch of miners got sick I think right? Point being, we will never prove the lab leak hypothesis without China's cooperation and we will never get it. I say we should circumstantially blame China until they cooperate. But apparently the CCP defenders don't like that
Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Yep, back in like 2012 or 2013 or so.Yep, without their cooperation, we can never prove anything.Very weird that China is reluctant to go back to that mine and have also stopped around 8 crews of journalists from even getting close to that mine.

Also:

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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
- Source CNN...from the guy always screeching about other peoples' sources.
https://www.axios.com/2023/02/27/cov...essment-debate

https://www.forbes.com/sites/arianna...h=3fb2f5ea423d

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-n...-origin-theory

Need more moron?
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
I don't care what other people on this forum say, I've always maintained that I lean towards lab leak theory, but fully acknowledge that the evidence is not there because China will not cooperate.


9/19/2021:
I'll retract my accusations of you specifically if you're being honest. My apologies.

That said, the vast majority on this site did exactly as I said. And now the right wing media is doing victory laps, while credible media is reporting the truth - most intelligence agencies either still lean against the lab leak or are undecided.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Jesus Christ......of course he has......
Where did I ever say it came from outside China?
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
I'll retract my accusations of you specifically if you're being honest. My apologies.

That said, the vast majority on this site did exactly as I said. And now the right wing media is doing victory laps, while credible media is reporting the truth - most intelligence agencies either still lean against the lab leak or are undecided.
Apology accepted.

The FBI has moderate confidence. The big deal with the Energy Department is that they were previously undecided and have now seen (so far undisclosed) new evidence which pushes them in the direction of lab leak with low confidence. Eagerly awaiting what this new evidence is, though.

And don't get me wrong, I have made dozens of threads as a proponent of lab leak, but I have always mentioned that there is no evidence in either direction. I push back so hard because I do find it funny how there is no conclusive evidence, yet the left is so adamant and confident that it is natural origins.


Just a couple days ago in my Energy Department thread, I was agreeing with Anachron that there is still no evidence in either direction:
Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Thanks for agreeing with the post you quoted, andconfirming that we do not actually know that it was of natural origins ( just like how we don't actually know it was a lab leak ).

You can't apply that thinking one way, and not the other.
Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
^Yep. Pretty much sums it up.
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Apology accepted.

The FBI has moderate confidence. The big deal with the Energy Department is that they were previously undecided and have now seen (so far undisclosed) new evidence which pushes them in the direction of lab leak with low confidence. Eagerly awaiting what this new evidence is, though.

And don't get me wrong, I have made dozens of threads as a proponent of lab leak, but I have always mentioned that there is no evidence in either direction. I push back so hard because I do find it funny how there is no conclusive evidence, yet the left is so adamant and confident that it is natural origins.


Just a couple days ago in my Energy Department thread, I was agreeing with Anachron that there is still no evidence in either direction:
Concerning the left being so adamant and confident that it was a natural origin.. that's because no one knew for sure but the experts were saying it was most likely the natural origin. They deal with this for a living so without evidence to contradict them, why would anyone take the position is was from the lab? Of course when Trump immediately blamed the lab the left instantly pushed back, especially with all the accusations of it being an intentional bioweapon etc. At the time, and even now still, the majority are still leaning toward it not being from the lab, although I doubt we'll ever get definitive proof either way.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
I'll retract my accusations of you specifically if you're being honest. My apologies.

That said, the vast majority on this site did exactly as I said. And now the right wing media is doing victory laps,while credible media is reporting the truth- most intelligence agencies either still lean against the lab leak or are undecided.
The other thing is, what you consider the credible media also completely shut down any conversations of lab leak for over a year, calling anyone who mentioned it a racist conspiracy theorist. So they have been far from truthful in this whole situation, and are now forced to push back the best they can by screeching, "b-b-but it's only low confidence."

Do you think we'll ever get an apology from them for completely shutting down one side of a very valid debate?
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
The other thing is, what you consider the credible media also completely shut down any conversations of lab leak for over a year, calling anyone who mentioned it a racist conspiracy theorist. So they have been far from truthful in this whole situation, and are now forced to push back the best they can by screeching "b-b-but it's only low confidence."

Do you think we'll ever get an apology from them for completely shutting down one side of a very valid debate?
I disagree with your assessment. Without proof, anyone who claimed it was a lab leak - contradicting the experts opinions - should have been called out. And even now they're just reminding everyone that what the right wing media is reporting - a total vindication - is again fake news.

Edit: And when I say "credible" news, I mean sources like Reuters and Axios etc. Not Mother Jones or Huffington Post. They're just as bad as the NY Post and Daily Mail.
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Originally Posted By GroomerPat⏩
I disagree with your assessment. Without proof, anyone who claimed it was a lab leak - contradicting the experts opinions - should have been called out. And even now they're just reminding everyone that what the right wing media is reporting - a total vindication - is again fake news.

Edit: And when I say "credible" news, I mean sources like Reuters and Axios etc. Not Mother Jones or Huffington Post. They're just as bad as the NY Post and Daily Mail.
If we paid for bioengineering one new virus in a chinese lab for each gender, how many viruses would we pay to create?
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Concerning the left being so adamant and confident that it was a natural origin.. that's because no one knew for sure but the experts were saying it was most likely the natural origin. They deal with this for a living so without evidence to contradict them, why would anyone take the position is was from the lab?Of course when Trump immediately blamed the lab the left instantly pushed back, especially with all the accusations of it being an intentional bioweapon etc. At the time, and even now still, the majority are still leaning toward it not being from the lab, although I doubt we'll ever get definitive proof either way.
And there is also FOIA'd email evidence that these expert scientists were coaxed into pushing natural origins by Fauci and Collins very early on (first week of February 2020), before they even had any evidence to make any kind of assertions and were still deliberating between engineered vs natural origins. They definitely were caught pushing a narrative from the get-go to cover their own ass.
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
I disagree with your assessment. Without proof, anyone who claimed it was a lab leak - contradicting the experts opinions - should have been called out. And even now they're just reminding everyone that what the right wing media is reporting - a total vindication - is again fake news.

Edit: And when I say "credible" news, I mean sources like Reuters and Axios etc. Not Mother Jones or Huffington Post. They're just as bad as the NY Post and Daily Mail.
See above.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
If we paid for bioengineering one new virus in a chinese lab for each gender, how many viruses would we pay to create?
Less than what you donated to Bannon's Build the Wall gofundme. Fuking stop the steal retard.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Is it safe to say it originated in China?

Also

10 myths told by COVID experts — and now debunked

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....-debunked/amp/

Imagine everything people like you believed in the past 3 years.
Knowing the geographic area of where a virus originated from does not equal knowing whether it came from a lab or originated naturally. I believed it could have originated naturally, however I was also very highly skeptical that it originated naturally... essentially, I have no idea whether it originated from a lab or naturally and there is nothing wrong with admitting that. And I don't know why you assume I believed all those things in that article. The only one you will find me saying is that I believe masks work, however the mask mandates didn't. And that's what the article should have stated since they cited the Cochran study. Masks and mask mandates are not the same thing.
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Originally Posted By GroomerPat⏩
Less than what you donated to Bannon's Build the Wall gofundme. Fuking stop the steal retard.
That's incorrect, it would not be less than 0

Hint: There are more than 0 genders
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
I disagree with your assessment. Without proof, anyone who claimed it was a lab leak - contradicting the experts opinions - should have been called out. And even now they're just reminding everyone that what the right wing media is reporting - a total vindication - is again fake news.

Edit: And when I say "credible" news, I mean sources like Reuters and Axios etc. Not Mother Jones or Huffington Post. They're just as bad as the NY Post and Daily Mail.
And, not only was it the media, but it was the scientific community that was trying to shutdown lab leak very early on - spearheaded by Peter Daszak, who has some of the most incredible conflicts of interests in this whole mess.


Peter Daszak's Lancet letter:
The rapid, open, and transparent sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumours and misinformation around its origins. We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. Scientists from multiple countries have published and analysed genomes of the causative agent, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2),1and they overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...418-9/fulltext
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
And there is also FOIA'd email evidence that these expert scientists were coaxed into pushing natural origins by Fauci and Collins very early on (first week of February 2020), before they even had any evidence to make any kind of assertions and were still deliberating between engineered vs natural origins. They definitely were caught pushing a narrative from the get-go to cover their own ass.

See above.
I'm not up to date on the Fauci FOIA emails so I can't comment on that. But three years later the experts and intelligence agencies are still leaning toward the natural origin. But you may be right that in the moment they scrambled to set the narrative before they had enough information/facts.

And if all these accusations against Fauci were remotely credible, why didn't Trump fire him? Makes no sense to me.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
That's incorrect, it would not be less than 0

Hint: There are more than 0 genders
Fuk off idiot.
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