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post 1678454273 03-06-2023, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Some thing else I found interesting about Zelenskyy, is that when he became president for years ago, he was worth $50 million from his previous comedy and celebrity status. Today he is worth over $600 million as president. Sounds like an oligarch or monarchy.
I don't think he was worth 50 million or even anything close. He did a show acting as a president and it caught on with the people. The guy used people's trust and betrayed them in the most diabolical way, although I don't think he has any real powers but act as a rep for those pulling the strings in Ukraine.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
Siding with literally all our allies v. Siding with a geopolitical enemy that - if they had any allies in this - would have allies in Iran, N. Korea, and China.

GEEEEEE thatā€™s a tough one.
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post 1678454523 03-06-2023, 02:07 PM
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Bro stop. Everyone knows the US and Russia don't get along and never have. You don't need to be geopolitical expert to know who you should be siding with if you're a US citizen.
post 1678454603 03-06-2023, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted By TryingMen⏩
Bro stop. Everyone knows the US and Russia don't get along and never have. You don't need to be geopolitical expert to know who you should be siding with if you're a US citizen.
never?
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Originally Posted By theory816⏩
I don't think he was worth 50 million or even anything close. He did a show acting as a president and it caught on with the people. The guy used people's trust and betrayed them in the most diabolical way, although I don't think he has any real powers but act as a rep for those pulling the strings in Ukraine.
It didn't happen by accident. He had a powerful billionaire ultranationalist backer.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
You've been conned by literal fascists. Ukraine will show its true colors. Once they don't need Zelensky anymore, watch what happens. You should go look at what they did before you judge Russia. There have been atrocities on both sides, and it has become a bitter conflict, but you cannot memoryhole the fact that Banderites instigated this chit and sabotaged peace at every turn at the behest of the US. This video covers pretty much everything. Watch it or don't and live the comfortable lie. Just remember that this government armed literal Islamists in Syria and nazis in Ukraine. And that's all there is to say.
kinda wierd that those "fascist nazis" love the jews. Why is their main backer a billionaire jew named Igor Kolomoisky?

Even the ADL approves..
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Originally Posted By TryingMen⏩
Bro stop. Everyone knows the US and Russia don't get along and never have. You don't need to be geopolitical expert to know who you should be siding with if you're a US citizen.
"never have"

literally world war II you moron.
post 1678455753 03-06-2023, 02:26 PM
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Because it was the new current thing. Why would you even need to ask?
post 1678456133 03-06-2023, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted By yewotm8⏩
Because it was the new current thing. Why would you even need to ask?
Oh sorry
post 1678457153 03-06-2023, 02:51 PM
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Read this morning that the expensive support for the Ukraine war appears to be decreasing. The corporate press is trying to change that. They have a lot of sway with American opinions so will be interesting to see if they succeed.

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Why a coherent anti-war movement has not formed to oppose U.S. involvement in the increasingly unpopular war in Ukraine."

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post 1678457303 03-06-2023, 02:54 PM
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lmfao at the conservative circle jerk in here
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post 1678457803 03-06-2023, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted By theory816⏩
I think its because of a principal thing. They thought that because you "invade" a country, you're automatically in the wrong.
If you invade a sovereign nation, you are wrong, unless they attacked you first.
Originally Posted By MiscValuePlayer⏩
But US invaded everybody
And I opposed all of those invasions as well (can sort of justify Afghanistan immediately post-911, but after OBL got away at Tora Bora in Dec 2001, it shouldn't have lasted 20 more years).
post 1678457933 03-06-2023, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted By Smithers115⏩
lmfao at the conservative circle jerk in here
"Russia bad, Ukraine good"

is that your argument?
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Originally Posted By MiscValuePlayer⏩
"Russia bad, Ukraine good"

is that your argument?
He's one of the R/P retard crew.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
You've been conned by literal fascists. Ukraine will show its true colors. Once they don't need Zelensky anymore, watch what happens. You should go look at what they did before you judge Russia. There have been atrocities on both sides, and it has become a bitter conflict, but you cannot memoryhole the fact that Banderites instigated this chit and sabotaged peace at every turn at the behest of the US. This video covers pretty much everything. Watch it or don't and live the comfortable lie. Just remember that this government armed literal Islamists in Syria and nazis in Ukraine. And that's all there is to say.
There are as many or more far right pro-Putin ultranationalist neo-Nazis in Russia as there are in Ukraine. This whole line of justification for an imperial invasion by Russia is a bunch of BS.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
He's one of the R/P retard crew.
I got it mixed up then

"conservatives bad, liberals good"
post 1678458273 03-06-2023, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted By MiscValuePlayer⏩
when Russia invaded Ukraine, all of the liberals sided with Ukraine, most without having any knowledge about the geopolitical situation in that area

Are they retarded or do they have a reason for siding with Ukraine?
without having "knowledge about the geopolitical situation"?

Understatement of the year. 99% of liberals couldn't point Ukraine out on a map before this whole. Most of them probably still can't.
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post 1678458663 03-06-2023, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted By MiscValuePlayer⏩
when Russia invaded Ukraine, all of the liberals sided with Ukraine, most without having any knowledge about the geopolitical situation in that area

Are they retarded or do they have a reason for siding with Ukraine?
Where did you get a fair and balanced look at what both sides were saying as the troops built up along the borders?
Which media did you listen to for your truth?

I got my info from a 45 year old Ukrainian friend who never believed she would have to flee her city ( countries are like brothers she said) and move to Prague. Btw they blew up her building, her condo/ apartments.
She lived in Kharkiv.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Where did you get a fair and balanced look at what both sides were saying as the troops built up along the borders?
Which media did you listen to for your truth?

I got my info from a 45 year old Ukrainian friend who never believed she would have to flee her city ( countries are like brothers she said) and move to Prague. Btw they blew up her building, her condo/ apartments.
She lived in Kharkiv.
that is so retarded to base your views of Ukraine/Russia war because of that story.

what do you think happens in a war
post 1678458883 03-06-2023, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Where did you get a fair and balanced look at what both sides were saying as the troops built up along the borders?
Which media did you listen to for your truth?

I got my info from a 45 year old Ukrainian friend who never believed she would have to flee her city ( countries are like brothers she said) and move to Prague. Btw they blew up her building, her condo/ apartments.
She lived in Kharkiv.
I'm pointing out how most people saying they're on Ukraine's side have no idea wtf is going on there or why it's happening.

Your Ukrainian friend being sad about the invasion says nothing about whether the war is justifiable or not
Originally Posted By steeler505⏩
99% of liberals couldn't point Ukraine out on a map before this whole. Most of them probably still can't.
Exactly
post 1678458963 03-06-2023, 03:18 PM
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Because Trump.

The dems relentlessly made up stories about Trump being tied to Russia in order to make them synonamous...so that people couldn't hear "Trump" without thinking of Russia, and couldn't hear "Russia" without thinking of Trump. All part of the plan, to make Trump the most hated man in America, then tie him to Russia so Russia = bad no matter what.

The dems goal was to secure Ukraine for the new world, and this has all been long planned. They had to put Zelensky on hold for a few years while Trump was in charge, as Trump had no irons in the fire with Ukraine and they were expecting Hitlery to win 2016. As soon as Biden was in, The US had to instigate a situation with Ukraine that would leave Russia no choice but to take defensive action, which could easily be spun as "invasion".
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie⏩
There are as many or more far right pro-Putin ultranationalist neo-Nazis in Russia as there are in Ukraine. This whole line of justification for an imperial invasion by Russia is a bunch of BS.
Not true.
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Originally Posted By bicmane777⏩
that is so retarded to base your views of Ukraine/Russia war because of that story.

what do you think happens in a war
I cliff noted the story because people like you exist and don't do details.

The question for op was what does he read, peruse, or watch for specific truth.

My total views are not based on her, she just filled in some blanks just as my Russian friend filled in the nazi suiff for me.
It is good to know people with opposing views.
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie⏩
If you invade a sovereign nation, you are wrong, unless they attacked you first.

And I opposed all of those invasions as well (can sort of justify Afghanistan immediately post-911, but after OBL got away at Tora Bora in Dec 2001, it shouldn't have lasted 20 more years).
What makes a nation, a sovereign nation?
For example, are you okay with the situation in Israel and Palestine?

At the end of WWI and WWII, Britain left a few different areas and redrew boundaries, they did this with pretty much full autonomy. Those countries were considered sovereign nations. Either directly, or indirectly by supporting other groups such as the ottomans, a lot of wars were fought and many conflicts still continue today.

Not saying Russians are in the right, but simply saying sovereign nation doesn't make things transparent.
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Originally Posted By MiscValuePlayer⏩
I'm pointing out how most people saying they're on Ukraine's side have no idea wtf is going on there or why it's happening.

Your Ukrainian friend being sad about the invasion says nothing about whether the war is justifiable or not



Exactly
Sad she has severe ptsd sad doesn't even come close to describing. War does that to people when you don't know it the explosion behind the apartment across from yours is on fire.

Again what did you read to form your own personal thought?

I will keep asking until you answer.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
I cliff noted the story because people like you exist and don't do details.

The question for op was what does he read, peruse, or watch for specific truth.

My total views are not based on her, she just filled in some blanks just ar my Russian friend filled in the nazi stiff for me.
It is good to know people with opposing views.
then you should've just said, your personal ancedote AND the mainstream media. be honest buddy
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Sad she has severe ptsd sad doesn't even come close to describing. War does that to people when you don't know it the explosion behind the apartment across from yours is on fire.

Again what did you read to form your own personal thought?

I will keep asking until you answer.
It seems like you're missing the entire point of the thread. The point is maybe your friends ptsd is collateral damage from her own corrupt nation's terrible politics and liberals are defending Ukraine without knowing anything about the situation

Your friend's condo getting blown up was an effect, but Do you know the cause of the war?

Cause and effect... libs just cry about the effect without considering any accountability on Ukraine's end or that they might have been the cause.. Most libs don't even know where Ukraine is yet side with them

It's retarded
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Originally Posted By Leonydus⏩
kinda wierd that those "fascist nazis" love the jews. Why is their main backer a billionaire jew named Igor Kolomoisky?

Even the ADL approves..
When Russia uses the term "nazi", they are talking about intensely Russophobic ultranationalists, not your retarded American vision of what nazism is. Russians suffered the most under nazism out of any country. They lost like 4x as many people as the Jews did. To Ukrainians and Russians, Jews are only part of the target of nazism. The nazi collaborators of the OUN murdered Jews, Romas, Poles, and Russians alike. They despised communism. Their movement has antisemitism associated with it, but it is not focused on it. For once, something isn't all about the Jews.

I know it is hard for your American nazi mind to grasp, but Russians suffered in WW2 as well. banderites have been trying to retake Ukraine since the 50's. There has been a systematic propaganda campaign to do so, and with yushchenko and poroshenko, they succeeded. These Jews on Ukraine's side were born and raised in that ultranationalist ideology. Their entire goal in life is the destruction of Russia and the creation of a banderite state. They are vehemently anticommunist and Russophobic.

Ukraine's ultranationalists are still nazis. You can whine about how they aren't antisemitic enough for you because they don't kill their own Jews. They still embrace hitler's ideology, glorify bandera as their equivalent of hitler, and are hell bent on destroying any cultural remnant of communism and on annihilating the Russian people.

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Originally Posted By MiscValuePlayer⏩
Ukraine is corrupt af. We should just side with Russia and bully Ukraine. What's Ukraine ever done for us? Srs

They should be paying us, not the other way around
"Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyywas born toJewish parentson 25 January 1978 in Kryvyi Rih, then in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic."
wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy

"This sacrifice ofUkrainian Jewrywould include Ukraineā€™s PresidentVolodymyr Zelensky, Prime MinisterDenys Shmyhaland Defense MinisterOleksii Reznikov, all of whom are Jewish."
jpost.com/international/article-703061
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because they choose the wrong side on every issue.
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