I love the VW crossovers, my wife has a Tiguan right now (doesn't have the 3rd row option sadly) and it's been great. We got the 2019 model in early 2021 with 26K miles for $26,500. They are good bang for your buck.

Only reason I'm not getting VW again is because there are no quality import maintenance shops near me. Gotta drive 40 minutes to get an oil change.

Not really. You're getting 1/3 less car for 1/3 less money compared to domestic.

u wot

how is it 1/3 less car? I don't need a high towing capacity, 4x4, 400+ ft-lb. of torque, or anything else in the traditional full size domestic SUVs. I need the size, seating capacity, and technology. They're catering to the market, providing the features I actually want and ignoring the ones I don't to keep price low.

domestic cars are getting mogged, read literally ANY car critique articles on full-size SUVs. The telluride has taken first place in near all of them.

this plus the Tahoe starts at close to $20,000 more over the Kia. Apples to donuts

And the base model comes with significantly less features. To get it fully loaded and comparable in terms of technology and features, you're looking at $75K for a tahoe. The pimped out version of the palisade isn't even 45K. The one in the OP has a good mixture of tech and sport aesthetics and is $43K. I think a pimped out telluride is like $50.

Honestly I'll be driving these foreign economy class cars until my kids are out of the house.

Age : 53

Ok boomer

Gonna be a POS in like 5 years man...Hyundai's mechanically are trash. Tahoes, escalades, etc. are built on a truck frame. I guess if you plan to trade it in after a few years it might be fine but i never see kias or Hyundai's last much past that 100k mile mark. They also do not hold their value like a tahoe or escalade.

[QUOTE=Jacobcapra;1678490573]Bro a late model lexus that's the same size costs like $70K and will have 40K+ miles on it, no thx jeff
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Yea but it'll look nicer and more comfortable.

[QUOTE=Jms89 post_id=1678493003]Gonna be a POS in like 5 years man...Hyundai's mechanically are trash. Tahoes, escalades, etc. are built on a truck frame. I guess if you plan to trade it in after a few years it might be fine but i never see kias or Hyundai's last much past that 100k mile mark. They also do not hold their value like a tahoe or escalade.[/QUOTE]You have no idea what you're talking about. The kia sorento, which share a chassis with the palisade and telluride, holds it's value well. Go look at the used car market. There are 5-8 year old sorentos for sale literally everywhere with 100K miles selling for over 50% of their original MSRP. Which is virtually the same retained value, if not better, than a tahoe of the same age and mileage.

There are also literally loads of sorentos from 2008 to 2012 with upwards of 200K miles for sale.

Add to that the insane improvements that kia/hyundai has made since then, and I'd wager that these SUVs will be lasting just as long as domestics if not longer. The only reason I can't say for sure is because the telluride and palisade didn't come out until 2020.

[QUOTE=theory816;1678493353][QUOTE=Jacobcapra post_id=1678490573]Bro a late model lexus that's the same size costs like $70K and will have 40K+ miles on it, no thx jeff
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Yea but it'll look nicer and more comfortable.[/QUOTE]
nah mate the only thing that looks nicer on a 3 year old Lexus LX compared to the OP is the badge. And it won't have all the awesome features like 3 rows of USB ports, wireless charging, bluetooth apple play, virtual key fob, etc etc.

I looked at Palisades when my wife was shopping for a new car, ended up w/ the Telluride, but the Palisade is a badass looking car. Bigger than a Telluride by a hair or two as well.

Nah bro the build is different. Lexus will have higher quality materials and trimming. Cars like Hondas and KIAs you'll hear creaks because materials are inferior. And you can install those electronics aftermarket if you REALLY need them.

Seen too many issues to trust Hyundai, but it does look good outside. Not mirin the dash though. Looks basic compared to the rest of it.

[QUOTE=Jacobcapra;1678493933]You have no idea what you're talking about. The kia sorento, which share a chassis with the palisade and telluride, holds it's value well. Go look at the used car market. There are 5-8 year old sorentos for sale literally everywhere with 100K miles selling for over 50% of their original MSRP. Which is virtually the same retained value, if not better, than a tahoe of the same age and mileage.

There are also literally loads of sorentos from 2008 to 2012 with upwards of 200K miles for sale.

Add to that the insane improvements that kia/hyundai has made since then, and I'd wager that these SUVs will be lasting just as long as domestics if not longer. The only reason I can't say for sure is because the telluride and palisade didn't come out until 2020.

[QUOTE=theory816 post_id=1678493353]

nah mate the only thing that looks nicer on a 3 year old Lexus LX compared to the OP is the badge. And it won't have all the awesome features like 3 rows of USB ports, wireless charging, bluetooth apple play, virtual key fob, etc etc.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you made your mind up already. Go buy one. I'm sure the high reving little six banger won't shake itself apart, the weak tranny designed for a passenger car won't drop gears, and the weak frame and suspension won't rattle itself apart if you try to tow anything heavier than a moped.

Also, good luck on your resale value. Kia/Hyundai are throw away cars. You'll never sell it and will lose your ass on a trade in.

Don't.

You don't need a third row for 3 kids. Stop the ingrained desire for consumption and stick with the working car that you already have.

You can definitely fit 3 kids in your car.

Hyundai/Kias tend to have crap quality in places where consumercels rarely look.

[QUOTE=Kev1972;1678494213][QUOTE=Jacobcapra post_id=1678493933]
Also, good luck on your resale value. Kia/Hyundai are throw away cars. You'll never sell it and will lose your ass on a trade in.[/QUOTE]Luxury cars always hold their value well over mid tier brands.

Dunno about that op I test drove the Kia version of that car and it felt very cheap both inside and how it drove. Steering was kind of drifty and unresponsive. Also now that this model has been out for ~4 years I am noticing the old ones (especially Kia telluride I haven't seen the Hyundai version hardly at all) are not aging well stylewise. I'm very happy with my Honda passport.

IMO best looking mid-size/Large crossover SUV out right now is the Volvo XC90. Especially in white chit is pure sexy.https://www.volvocars.com/us/cars/xc90-hybrid/

Spoken like a man who has never experienced the joys of safety seats.

- can't put any children in the front seat

- due to anchoring system may be unable to put 3 safety seats in the rear seat

- even with only 2 safety seats installed there wouldn't be much seat space left for the older child

As usual, anecdotes are nice but broader stats are more interesting



South Korea is now one of the biggest and best manufacturing hubs in the world, the vehicles coming out of there should be good and only getting better

I now find that highly sus knowing all the problems people have had with hyundai/kias

[QUOTE=theory816 post_id=1678494123]Nah bro the build is different. Lexus will have higher quality materials and trimming. Cars like Hondas and KIAs you'll hear creaks because materials are inferior. And you can install those electronics aftermarket if you REALLY need them.[/QUOTE]That is true, I'll get a sleeker dash and probably higher quality leather. But I've been driving cars with leather interior for years and can say from experience, that **** doesn't matter. I drove a 2015 leather trimmed genesis coupe and the leather faded and wore just the same as my 2013 BMW.

[QUOTE=Muzzlrpress post_id=1678494163]Seen too many issues to trust Hyundai, but it does look good outside. Not mirin the dash though. Looks basic compared to the rest of it.[/QUOTE]Probably the worst part is the dash, minus the screen and HUD. The console looks basic compared to many luxury brands. But a 3 year old chevy tahoe console isn't anything to write home about either.


[QUOTE=Kev1972;1678494213][QUOTE=Jacobcapra post_id=1678493933]You have no idea what you're talking about. The kia sorento, which share a chassis with the palisade and telluride, holds it's value well. Go look at the used car market. There are 5-8 year old sorentos for sale literally everywhere with 100K miles selling for over 50% of their original MSRP. Which is virtually the same retained value, if not better, than a tahoe of the same age and mileage.

There are also literally loads of sorentos from 2008 to 2012 with upwards of 200K miles for sale.

Add to that the insane improvements that kia/hyundai has made since then, and I'd wager that these SUVs will be lasting just as long as domestics if not longer. The only reason I can't say for sure is because the telluride and palisade didn't come out until 2020.



Sounds like you made your mind up already. Go buy one. I'm sure the high reving little six banger won't shake itself apart, the weak tranny designed for a passenger car won't drop gears, and the weak frame and suspension won't rattle itself apart if you try to tow anything heavier than a moped.

Also, good luck on your resale value. Kia/Hyundai are throw away cars. You'll never sell it and will lose your ass on a trade in.[/QUOTE]Ok, just make the same point even though I literally just looked up several kia and hyundai suv's and crossovers and found their resale value to be the same as domestic cars compared to their original MSRP. BTW USED tellurides are selling for over MSRP, lol at thinking you won't get your money back.

KBB has a 3-year-old telluride with 45K miles fair market value at $38-42K, and the MSRP is $40K.
[URL=https://www.kbb.com/kia/telluride/2020/sx-sport-utility-4d/?category=suv&condition=good&intent=buy-used&mileage=45726&pricetype=retail&vehicleid=443452]https://www.kbb.com/kia/telluride/20...hicleid=443452[/URL]

MSRP $44,625, yet all these are for sale with 20-40K miles for more than that.
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MSRP $38,390, same deal
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I'm not certain yet, my original first pick was the explorer. But knowing I can get a bigger car with better features for the same price makes it hard to pick the Ford. My point is you're just flat out wrong about what you're saying.


[QUOTE=suave2000 post_id=1678494303]Don't.

You don't need a third row for 3 kids. Stop the ingrained desire for consumption and stick with the working car that you already have.

You can definitely fit 3 kids in your car.[/QUOTE]Bro I drive a 328i. I barely can fit my current two kids in there.

[QUOTE=theory816;1678494383][QUOTE=Kev1972 post_id=1678494213]
Luxury cars always hold their value well over mid tier brands.[/QUOTE]not sure if srs. Luxury brand car values tank immediately.

Anecdotes are nice. Hyundai has dropped since the latest publish of this study, but it's still up there. Then again even the best new car has 133 problems per 100 vehicles, so there's that.

[QUOTE=Kev1972;1678494213][QUOTE=Jacobcapra post_id=1678493933]You have no idea what you're talking about. The kia sorento, which share a chassis with the palisade and telluride, holds it's value well. Go look at the used car market. There are 5-8 year old sorentos for sale literally everywhere with 100K miles selling for over 50% of their original MSRP. Which is virtually the same retained value, if not better, than a tahoe of the same age and mileage.

There are also literally loads of sorentos from 2008 to 2012 with upwards of 200K miles for sale.

Add to that the insane improvements that kia/hyundai has made since then, and I'd wager that these SUVs will be lasting just as long as domestics if not longer. The only reason I can't say for sure is because the telluride and palisade didn't come out until 2020.



Sounds like you made your mind up already. Go buy one. I'm sure the high reving little six banger won't shake itself apart, the weak tranny designed for a passenger car won't drop gears, and the weak frame and suspension won't rattle itself apart if you try to tow anything heavier than a moped.

Also, good luck on your resale value. Kia/Hyundai are throw away cars. You'll never sell it and will lose your ass on a trade in.[/QUOTE]Literally everything you states applies to cheap ass domestic brands like Chevy, FCA and Ford. Who gives af about resale? German cars are twice the price and still plummet in value in 5yrs with chit relability. Cars are not an asset, if you dont want to lose money then stick to riding a bike.

I looked at the palisade for my wife when it first came out but didn't love the drive of it. Ended up with a Cadillac XT6. Same amount of kids, and it fits them very well. It am still shocked at how well it rides

Cool story, but word of mouth travels for a reason, and it hasn't been good for hyundai kia, their cars are basically disposable with low grade parts and essential components that aren't even worth trying to repair. Like I'm sure they're fine for a lease or for the first few years, but that's it.

Its not just the leather. Trim, fit and finish, aesthetics, more sound deadening, badge prestiege - its all much better.

If you buy a Kia, you'll be stuck with a Kia. If you buy a Lexus or a luxury car, you'll be stuck with a luxury car.

I've seen that before but it got a lot of criticism. a problem can be as small as a loose knob on the console and is contributes the same as blowing a piston out of your engine block.


in general problems per 100 cars are up drastically in recent years probably because many of them are tech related.

My issue with Hyundai is the break and ride, I used to rent cars at Hertz when I would travel up state so my car didnt rack up miles and the Hyundais they gave me all had a rough ride, and bad break like stiff break. The drive was rough as hell.

I drove a veloster, a elantra and a sonata

To be fair Genesis probably has much better cars as it seems like they actually try to build something premium under that badge.

Genesis interiors are so nice too, I would have gone for a GV70 for the dash styling etc but ended up with a GV80 for the extra space