Many actual GOAT candidates have done this against way more opponents, who were ranked higher and were better. They just didn't quit around the halfway point of their career so they've ended up losing in the end. If you think he even belongs in the discussion you've probably started watching during the Conor era.

imagine getting called out for making **** up and then trying to ride on someone else lmao

Name something I said wrong in my reply and I'll address it? Being an obtuse moron that never actually makes a coherent rebut is your thing though so you won't.

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I see two top 5 wins, poirier, gaethje, who else? mcgregor might have been technically ranked top 5 by the ufc but we all know that's fraud.

i bet the gaethje win doesn't age all that well either, guy seems tailor made to lose to wrestlers.

Fuk i went to rewatch the fight, i watched barboza fight recently and i am thinking barboza is one beast, then i watch khabib break barboza in just one round look at barboza face after one round khabib is on another level of psycho.. when khabib say they all believe but after one round they no believe its really true 😄
On a side note will want to see khabib fight in welter weight and see how he do there
Seem like khabib is a walking middleweight natural

I thought Barboza too and maybe RDA although with RDA I might've gotten baited because he is/was so good but it was pretty early in their careers. Conor hadn't fought in 2 years so he'd be unranked in any serious ranking. I'm 99,9% sure the UFC would've had him top 5 but I'm not inclined to count it. So maybe it was 3 top 5 ranked wins then.

I'm honestly baffled how people can consider somebody with so little top 5 wins to even be near a top 10 GOAT list. I guess that's the UFC hype machine doing it's job. The same people probably think Brock is the HW GOAT lmao.

Agreed that the Gaethje win won't age well but the RDA has aged well to make up for that. Overall his resume is pretty unimpressive and he's just a "what could have been".

lol @ WMMA on that list. you're going solely by title defenses. I think having an unblemished record and having dominated most of his opponents counts for something as well.

I thought barbosa and RDA were both in the 5-10 range at the time of fight, though iirc ufc tended to over-rank RDA.


I completely agree. compare khabib with 2 or 3 top 5 wins, vs Usman who cleaned out the division twice over fighting whoever the next best guy was for 4 years (maybe you exclude jorge from that, he was somewhat overrated). If he had finished that fight he dominated vs leon we'd be discussing him as a GOAT. Broke woodley who ran the division for years to win the belt, then went on to defend multiple times a year.

Khabib won the belt vs a real estate agent. then defended once a year for 2 or 3 years and retired.

Khabib is the GOAT you're just low IQ and retarded.

Americans have Khabib because he is a muslim Russian. It is like a red flag to a bull for these retarded Americans.

Jon Jones was on gear and fought much smaller opponenets his whole career. Also the quality of competition is not great.

this guy thinks the russian fighter isn't on steroids

I've been watching UFC for about 12 years now.. Not a casual by any means, but you're acting like Khabib had a choice. He dominated everyone that was around. Who else would he fight? what more did he have to accomplish?

What GOAT candidates are you talking about? Have they had a career without even a single scratch or barely any bruise on their face? No one has been as dominant as him in the UFC, no one. If you can name one, I'd be suprised.

GSP is one of the GOATS as well and he retired at 28 fights, and lost to Matt Serra who 1/3rd of his fights are losses and Matt Hughes who def is a beasst but also touts 9 losses and has been knocked out 5 times. Did anyone call GSP overrated?
Yeah its insane.Then look wht he did to Iaquinta.. He made him look like an amateur and the guy was never the same. Before Khabib he was a beast

Yeah WMMA isn't in the discussion of course, they just mix it together. I'm not going solely by title defenses but it's part of the argument. I even mentioned several times that his VERY low amount of top 5 wins is a large part of why he's not even in the argument for GOAT.Khabib did what he had to do. He dominated everybody for a short period of time, then he retired. The choice he had was retiring or fighting on for 5+ more years and racking up (near) double digit title defence. He chose to quit, so he's not in the GOAT discussion because his resume is lacking that depth.

I'm not denying Khabib's abilities or the fact that he was a beast in the octagon. He's one of the best I've ever seen in the octagon, his resume just lacks the depth to be in the discussion. He dominated all of his non top 5 competition for a short period of time? Sure. Now look what guys like Fedor, Jones, Silva and GSP did to top 5 level opponents for a very long time, consistently. Those are GOATs right there.

Then there's the Aldo, Mighty Mouse, Usman kind of "almost" GOATs and some time after that there's a guy like Khabib.

Fedor got his ass kicked many times. Yes hes one of the GOAT's in alot of eyes, but he's also been knocked out 6 times. Sometimes within the first round.. GSP has lost twice and retired after just 28 fights as I mentioned. He lost to guys like Matt Serra and Matt Hughes ..While hes still a GOAT, those are some questionable losses to have on a career vs someone whos never lost or even been bruised/dropped a single drop of blood.

What depth do you want honestly? He fought some amazing wrestlers and dominated th ehell out of them, he fought insane strikers (Mcgregor, Iaquinta, Porier, Gaejthe) not both with hands but known for their amazing knockouts with kicks (Barboza) and dominated them so badly, that they never recovered after that. He's fought guys that wer eall around savages.. Both in wrestling, and striking.. and dominated them like no one ever did before.

Aldo got knocked out in seconds by McGregor and got bullied by him leading up to the fight, was knocked out 4 times, lost 8 times..

IDk what a GOAT to you is.. But it sounds like getting knocked out, losing alot is part of it.

A GOAT to me = A beast whos dominated everyone around with pure skill and character, till no one else was left.. who never got manhandled, knocked out, submitted, hurt, battered in the face, etc. with impeccable skill level. Someone who was never bullied, never got caught doing steroids or crazy sht outside of the octagon, etc.

Yes it would be nice if there was better competition out there for Khabib to fight.. But just like all of his fights, it woulda been thes ame thing over and over. Why wouldn't he retire.. his fights were all but challenging .. and he ran through everyone. Why would he then decide to make it harder on himself and fight at a different weight class than he's used to competing at, just to appease a buncha naysayers when all unbiased mma fans agree that he did what he had to do and did it impeccably.

GSP said Khabib is the GOAT. Jon Jones said Khabib was the GOAT, and also has him in his TOp 5 of ALL TIME at I believe #3. Guys like Fedor woulda been the #1 GOAT if he cut his run short and retired in a timely manner..

This ignores the fact that many fighters have been dominant for longer than Khabib was

Jon Jones looked untouchable until his 6th title defenses, double that of Khabib. Fighters fall for the hype as well. According to this logic if Anderson silva retired before he lost instead of testing himself he's now a much better goat

The reason Khabib retired is because he literally can't make weight. I'll say it again, he literally cannot make weight. He does not want to move up a weight class, that isn't goat ****.

More than 3 or 4 top 5 wins, more than 4 title fight wins. It's pretty fukkin simple. Your last sentence perfectly shows your ignorance. You've literally just claimed retiring early makes somebody the GOAT. It's completely retarded and people wouldn't even think of spouting off such retarded chit in other sports.

Brb if Jordan never made a failed comeback he'd be the GOAT. Brb if Federer didn't lose a grand slam final when he was almost 40 years old he'd be the GOAT. There's four obvious and undisputed GOATs in MMA. Fedor, Jones, Silva and GSP, in whatever order you wanna put them. They all fit your description of a GOAT as well:

"A GOAT to me = A beast whos dominated everyone around with pure skill and character, till no one else was left".

They all cleared out their divisions. Khabib hasn't, he doesn't even have 5 top 5 wins in his entire career.

+1

Khabib didn't do anything wrong, and he did great for what's in front of him. But he retired before he had enough of a resume to be the GOAT. That's all. If he had fought a few more years and defended 10+ times against the best in the division he would be the GOAT.

He didn't even clear out his division once, others did it multiple times over.

What I meant by that was that Fedor looked impeccable until he kept fighting and took some brutal/bad losses that made him look pretty bad.

I think that fighters should retire when its a good time for them to, instead of pushing the gamut.. in the same way that hip hop artists should retire while they still are producing good music.. Not when they get washed up and don't fit the culture anymore. GSP retired at the right time for example.

Ofc, Khabib did have alot to prove to alot of people still.. But at the same time, do you not feel your'e completely discounting the amazing stuff he's done in his career?

I'm not arguing that Khabib had the most amazing catalog of opponents.. I'm arguing people saying he's the most overrated fighter of all time. The most overrated fighter of all time? Even Dustin Porier is a better contender for that than Khabib.. Even Charles Olivera.

What I can say about Khabib is that, he mostly was a wrestler and we didn't see his full gamut of potential as a striker since while he did fight guys with real striking/knockout power, we've only seen him do so much striking in the ring. He mostly mauled his opponents to his ground and ragdolled them.

What he did do was insane stuff though. He made Barboza look like a child. He fought Conor MCgregor at his own game, stand up, at point blank range, them two just taking turns taking shots at each other. It was something out of a movie.. He also clipped him nicely causing a knockdown and then capitalized on it.. In the fight you can see how he was like "alright ill play your game and beat u at it".. and got bored , took him down and finished him. Not only that, he decided exactly what submission he wanted to end him with and did it, for his fathers sake, since it was his fathers fav submission. He was originally going to armbar him but decided not to break his arm.

On top of that, he fought Justin Gaethje at Gathjes peak, where the guy was a super scary blockheaded beast of wrestling with bricks for hands/great striking.. all while having a BROKEN FOOT. His whole foot was broken and a few toes.. and he didnt make a single excuse about it in defeating Gaethje and dominating him.. We only found out after due to one of his docs/camp releasing info about it.

The way he ragdolled Michael Johnson and beat him whle talking to him and telling him to just give up.. masterful. But most overrated fighter? Thts fuccin ridiculous.

I don't like Mcgregor, dude is a piece of ****. But this didn't happen. In purely standup fight Mcgregor would wreck khabib. khabib knockdown came from mcgregor guarding against the takedown.

khabib certainly dominated that fight though.

I don't know how to respond to this. Can't have a conversation if you ignore context of what is said to you and reply to a supporting point like it was the main one. I've explained all of this already. Except for Gustafson thing, which is a weird argument to make. I mean, yea he was going strong before Gustafson...

lmao you didn't call out chit. You are the only dumb ****git making chit up here. I and others have already explained what you've said wrong and you make less and you've failed to provide a single sensible thoughtout response making less and less sense with each post. shutting the fukk up at this point is the only smart thing you can do.

I gave my reasoning for why Khabib is overrated, I went through many scenarios like his dominance factor not being enough given people have done the same with similar defenses. You on the other hand have done nothing but rage.

I just told you to name ONE thing I said that was incorrect and then we can discuss it, but you can't do it. You're a big ol puzzy

He did pretty much clear out light weight. Who's left to challenge him? Dariush maybe but that's about it.

Khabib is top 10 on the GOAT list for sure.

To be top 5 though, he should've went up to welterweight.

So I guess to be GOAT you need to move up weight?

no but you need to be tested more.

he wasn't getting that at lightweight

Not at all. NEver fought ferguson coming up, most people have to fight another top 5 to get a title shot.

But he still had olivera, dariush, islam ( i know they would never fight, but if you want to "clear" the division as others have, this is what it would take).

by virtue of having 2 title defenses and winning the title vs a journeyman he couldn't have cleared out the divsion.

ferg fell off hard, and even at his prime no chance.

olivera is the same, no chance

islam, no go.

Dariush only guy with a chance

but he didn't clear out the division unless he actually fought them, and he didn't. other guys have fought everyone.

lol no one wants to see khabib dominate weaker opponents. we know what happens if he fights ferg.

he fought (and one side dominated) all the best guys in his division except one. close enough