If you're out socializing, making friends, if you have a sense of humor and confidence, it won't be long. Incels and virgins don't even try. Most incels and virgins don't even dress well or get haircuts. And if they're cleanup but still can't get laid it's their personality. Elliot Rodger was a complete weirdo just off his videos

And this right here is why incels can't get laid. You give up before even trying or seeing for yourself.

There's a lot of ugly guys with girlfriends and wives

Clubs and bars are terrible for most guys. There's way more venues

lol'd hard at bold. I'm a first generation immigrant and I have a lot of experience of seeing what happens when people move here even if they did not grow up here. You cannot be more wrong about bold lol.

If you disagree with my analysis go ahead. But my advice to anyone considering that would be to prepare yourself to be able to stay there. That's a big sacrifice. But I dont think its wise to advertise yourself as an American looking to take someone to the USA and expect to get true love lol.

live your movie. this just isnt reality. I dont see how anyone with a brain can look at all these trends and simply think the problem is trying.

Clubs and bars are terrible for most guys.

Dating apps are terrible for most guys

Congrats, you've taken away the two main ways to meet women in 2023. WTF are average men suppose to do these days to meet women? Try to pick up chicks at work and get #MeToo'd in the process?

lol this.

'dont go to clubs, bars or look online'

'incels dont even try they need to get out there!'

"Ugly guys with girlfriend and wives"

Discount any relationship formed before 2012 when Tinder was created. There's an entirely different ballgame post dating apps. Any relationship formed before this date can be thrown in the trash for our current day analysis. Most ugly dudes you see with pre 2012 girlfriends and wives would be incels if dating apps existed before 2012

Ugly dudes getting girlfriends post 2012? Maybe they're rich AF or have status or are white and tall. How many short ugly indians in their 20s are getting poon in America? Not many

Then don't advertise, bruh. The point is you will have options if you go overseas. Yeah, you might have to watch out for gold diggers but that's life. Sorting through the bad women to find the decent ones is always going to be a challenge. But I don't think you want practical advice. You just want to feel sorry for yourself.

We're talking about going to a foreign country just to get a gf, practical is out the window.


We're not even getting to the logistics of that, if you arent planning to stay like, how. Just stay there until you find someone? who knows how long that would take.

its not really practical to just move temporarily. By the time you even get to the point that you find anyone its probably easier to stay.

Japan and Korea are absolutely amazing

Jordan Peterson called it 5-6 years ago, maybe longer.

It's a combination of women choosing careers over families, increased promiscuity, a culture against men, and diversity policies. Any time we deviate from biblical lessons on human nature, there are unintended consequences that generally have an opposite effect of what was intended.

You meet women at your hobbies

Yes, those hobbies that have thirsty men doing the exact same thing. Hobbies are increasingly sausage fests with women who arent even looking for that because they get so much attention elsewhere.

You cant say 'meet women through hobbies', because thats PASSIVE. Yes, it can happen that way just by luck/chance. but if it doesnt, you need to a more active approach. There's a reason 'going out' to clubs and bars is a thing. Its an active way to pursue this instead of hoping for luck/chance to take over at a random hobby.

That 'going out' is no longer a realistic option for so many men says it all.

What you do is you do your best to become above average. For you, it would be to stop being skinny fat ****git and get jacked and lean. What is your excuse?

What's interesting is that this spin is the mirror image of what feminists claim is the root of this loneliness epidemic; they argue that it's the effect of readily available porn and video games, causing men to retreat into isolation. You and the "incel community" claim it's women's high standards and dating apps.

Both these takes are simplistic and miss the nuance. I know a few guys who had girlfriends in the past who fell down the rabbit hole of porn and videogames and became basement dwellers due to poor choices. I also agree that dating apps and social media have changed the dating game for men. It's a bit of both, and there are multiple factors at play.

You're going to claim that the causality is reversed, but the fact is neither you nor those sources have solid evidence that constant rejection and high female standards alone are what account for most of the variance in this trend of male singleness.

Either way, it doesn't do any incel any good to be thinking about his situation in terms of "trends." That just leads to paralysis. Get out there and massively self-improve and try to find someone or learn to be content alone.

Knew bigballsmcgee was gonna be blowing up this thread before even opening it

Never listen to the feminists about this. Their only goal is to make women look like they have no fault.

When they say porn and video games is causing this, its because they arent even acknowleging how few men they find attractive in the first place. There are so many single lonely men walking around, they cannot make the excuses they're making. Anecdotally, in my main friend group, all of the guys except 2 are single(only one of those started dated someone recently, the other was long ago from college) and the women never considered any of them. They all get dates from the apps and a few even found guys that live hours away to date instead. We aren't in our basements. We're right in front of their faces. They simply can find better with all of their options.

I dont have an issue with bold at the end, IF we set the appropriate context to prepare men for the reality of the situation. The biggest issue is men are still fed nonsense by women and society in general without admititng the facts about what's happening. Then, when they get rejected constantly and dont know wtf happened, the only one telling them the truth is blackpill chit online.

Because BigBallsMcgee recognizes whats going on in America with young lonely men.

Why is this such a taboo topic to talk about?

Why do incels got villanized? Literally the one under privleged group in America that gets zero sympathy from anyone

People like Rebel012 treat Incels like they're villians when in reality they're victims

Why you would bring a foreign girl back to America is beyond me, as crazy as it is here I am pretty sure I would have a hard time coming back myself if I were to find a traditional community of people that would allow me to be a part of it.

Larry David needs to play an incel

Everyone has an issue with men consuming too much porn or playing video games, but no one wants to talk about the hours women spend on social media or the garbage they watch on TV?

How is the dopamine chasing addiction to social media less of a problem than mens addiction to porn? They both lead to social problems for each gender and create unrealistic expectations. The difference is that women are told they deserve what they see, while men are told they are pigs for wanting what they see. They always try and frame this as men failing women.

Same goes for video games, yes they can be a problem but at the end of the day its just a form of entertainment no different to watching TV or reading a book. Women spend HOURS watching garbage TV when they are not on social media, which is half the problem. They are the primary consumer of media, and as a result media needs to pander to them.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to MeSoHawny again.

This is a gross oversimplification. Guys who go out and try to meet women, who get shot down one after the other with no wins it takes a toll on the mental health of the person as well as their self esteem/confidence to the point where they don't want to go out and do it anymore. I know that of which I speak.

Regardless of what people think about organized religion, they forget that there is an exceptional amount of wisdom that came from it and that it basically provides a blueprint for whats required to keep communities and nations functioning. They get so caught up in the crazy stories they miss the underlying messages and philosophy of it. This is why liberals attack it so aggressively, the fastest way to deconstruct and destroy a society to rebuild it is to go after religion and the family unit.

If you can't get a girlfriend, you are simply a loser. Real facts.

I agree with most of what you say but this kinda sound like cope to me. you claim to have money so why not travel to a foreign country your clearly not happy where you are even if you don’t find live you will still have a pretty cool experience.

The whole point is for you to relocate, not find someone and relocate them.

Fact is, any decent woman is going to be attached to her family and friends and does not want to leave. I dont think people appreciate that while their standard of living is lower than it is in first world countries, their quality of life is higher and they are generally much happier. You are better off starting fresh in a new place.

If the environment is toxic

1. Why do you want to live here
2. Why do you want to bring someone back with you to live here
3. Why would you raise kids here

Funny how this is always the attitude when it comes to men, yet when women can't get a boyfriend, it's always because men have problems that they all need to address and women have it so hard and women should be strong and independent and yadda yadda yadda

This ^^^

I would say from 2017-2022 every weekend I went to parties, bars, and nightclubs and I was ROUTINELY shot down by women I was hitting on. Maybe once every few weeks I'd have a drunk makeout session with a fat chick but that went nowhere.

In 2023 I just gave up. I'm sober since January 1st and I just stay in on weekends now. I don't plan to go back out for a few years. I'll just fukk hookers when I'm horny.

My mental health is completely shot. Getting rejected for years has taken a toll on my mental health. Buying chicks drinks and it leading nowhere has taken its toll on my wallett. Drinking every weekend in the hopes of getting laid has taken its toll on my physical health. I'm just done and I checked out of the system for a while