This ^^^

I would say from 2017-2022 every weekend I went to parties, bars, and nightclubs and I was ROUTINELY shot down by women I was hitting on. Maybe once every few weeks I'd have a drunk makeout session with a fat chick but that went nowhere.

In 2023 I just gave up. I'm sober since January 1st and I just stay in on weekends now. I don't plan to go back out for a few years. I'll just fukk hookers when I'm horny.

My mental health is completely shot. Getting rejected for years has taken a toll on my mental health. Buying chicks drinks and it leading nowhere has taken its toll on my wallett. Drinking every weekend in the hopes of getting laid has taken its toll on my physical health. I'm just done and I checked out of the system for a while

You did this chit completely wrong, brah. Jesus, even a mouse that gets electro-shocked a few times knows to stop touching a wire. After a couple of months of rejection you should have realized what you were doing wasn't working and recalibrated. The numbers game is true, but not like this. You should have looksmaxed adequately, gotten in shape, worked on social skills etc, and then approached in a more surgical and precise fashion. You were just flailing wildly from the sounds of it, so no wonder you destroyed your confidence and mental health.

True, which is way I'm staying in and LooksMaxxing for a few years. Getting in shape and plastic surgery might bring me up to a 5.5-6/10

Unfortunately a 6/10 indian is only slaying ugly and fat 3s if he's lucky. But honestly I'll take it. Won't stop me paying for hot 9/10 escorts, but I'll take a girl voluntarily wanting to have sex with me -- would probably improve my mental health

But BBMG is completely right when he says its a myth incels dont try or dont put themselves out there. Complete BS. Many incels are like me that download dating apps and go to bars and have zero success. And there's almost no other way to meet women in 2023

I agree with most of what you say but this kinda sound like cope to me. you claim to have money so why not travel to a foreign country your clearly not happy where you are even if you don’t find live you will still have a pretty cool experience.

I see average-ugly dudes with fine chicks all the time irl

case closed

This is a gross oversimplification. Guys who go out and try to meet women, who get shot down one after the other with no wins it takes a toll on the mental health of the person as well as their self esteem/confidence to the point where they don't want to go out and do it anymore. I know that of which I speak.

"just act like some super go-getter hyper social flirtatious cassanova for years and years on end, even if you've been incessantly beaten down by life with no results, and see no evidence that doing this will create romantic success while ignoring contradictory messages on the value of male aggression and forward behavior with women " is great actionable advice in 2023.

You meet women at your hobbies

People will say this. Then you post a thread on misc asking "where did you meet your S/O", and 90% of the responses are work and Tinder.

People will say this. Then you post a thread on misc asking "where did you meet your S/O", and 90% of the responses are work and Tinder.

Compare the actual relationships of those two scenarios though. The only people I know with happy, successful relationships either met their spouses in school 30+ years ago or met them doing something fun (which can generally fall under "through friends" as well). While I have met some women at work I probably could have had a successful relationship with, it's just another layer of complexity you have to work around.

lol facts. 'dont do online or go to bars/clubs'. Meanwhile in reality. As I said before, it doesnt make sense to say the only/best option is passively hoping you run into someone in a random hobby. Thats basically relying on raw luck and does not make sense.

People always bring up the hobby card, as an attempt to give a warm-in to the dudes who get BTFO on cold-ins. "This guy's looks can't get him a girl from Tinder, but maybe if he talks to her IRL and makes her laugh, gnomesayin..."

It's not wrong, and one of the chitty parts about adulthood today is that those warm-in opportunities start disappearing.

In high shcool school, you could get to know a girl for literal fukkin years before making a move. 50 years ago in the US, when communities were smaller and much tighter, you could do the same thing. My dad never asked my mom out until he was like 28, but her dad was showing him how to fix truck engines when he was fukkin 15. Just cause he knew him as a kid down the road. Same chit.

But nowadays, where the fuk are you going to get the opportunity now to get to know a girl, and have a girl get to know you, for months and years before you make a move. College, and once those days are over, work. Hobby groups might work if it's a stable, really long term type of community... that's why people push it.

Everything else is basically a cold-approach, high pressure setup. You get 30 seconds to talk to a girl at the bar. You get a 2 second look at your cover pic on Tinder. Even if friends set you up, it's a short term, high-pressure kind of deal. That's just the way life is now. There's no communities.

I'd say that even most normies don't have a social circle outside of work that's bigger than half a dozen people. Hobbies are an attempt to extend that social circle... but there's no single sloots in any hobby group I've seen lol, so it kind of defeats the point.

This is a gross oversimplification. Guys who go out and try to meet women, who get shot down one after the other with no wins it takes a toll on the mental health of the person as well as their self esteem/confidence to the point where they don't want to go out and do it anymore. I know that of which I speak.

"just act like some super go-getter hyper social flirtatious cassanova for years and years on end, even if you've been incessantly beaten down by life with no results, and see no evidence that doing this will create romantic success while ignoring contradictory messages on the value of male aggression and forward behavior with women " is great actionable advice in 2023.

I am very happy where I am.

I am almost certain I have seen you post numerous times about how garbage life is and drinking yourself to death and so forth.

where I live is not a factor in that.

I genuinely don’t think the answer is to go out and be hyper flirtatious, and aggressively seek out a partner. Rather, I think the answer is the opposite.

I think the answer is to spend time making your life a place that you genuinely enjoy.

You shouldn’t even try to bring anybody else into your life unless you can wake up every morning, greet it with a joy for life, and roll up to the day feeling like adventure lurks around every corner.

You should be ****ing excited to be alive.

If you’re not excited to live your life, then why should anybody even want to live it with you?

And doing that is all about constantly leaving your comfort zone, and finding things that are fun FOR YOU to do. You should be enjoying your life ALONE. You should be pursuing passions outside of your work, and you should be doing things that actively bring joy into your world.

If you can make your life enjoyable, you honestly won’t be wanting for a partner. You’ll already be having too much fun.

Right but what are you doing to make your life not ****?

There is no recalibration if you are Indian and you are going for white women. He needs to accept that they are not really an option, the only chance he would have with them is if they were in his social circle and they got to know him that way.

this just isnt true. I get where you're thinking and why it sounds right. Because yes, if you do what you're saying and then lo and behold relationships come naturallty every so often, of course that's great.

But what about the guy doing this and then he finds himself a 25 yr old virgin? or 30 and never had a gf. Or 35 and not getting anywhere?

At some point, the needs you have that didnt just materialize out of thin air will become a problem. You cant just hope it comes out of nowhere if you're spending years alone and you're unhappy with it.

If I did as you're suggesting id still be a virgin easily. i would have never even been on date. do you think anyone would be happy with that at 31?

Right now specficially, im having a fuking ball. Im NEETmaxxing and its amazing honestly. Wish I could do this forever.

Honestly,forget about dating. It’s not a factor in happiness, and that’s a factual statement.

Loneliness is a prison you make for yourself.

Doing this will make your life better and that’s a fact.

Here’s the thing if you did all that at the end of the day you’d only benefit. And best case scenario? Your life changes to such a significant degree that you’re actually okay with being on your own.

This is wrong, I have been with nearly 3 dozen white women and am married to one. I’m of North Indian decent.