Sex is not a human need, and intimacy can be found outside of relationships. There are many different forms of love, and many of them are fulfilling enough.

A human need is something you would die without. You won’t die without sex.

There are men who take vows of celibacy. This means it is a desire that can be overcome. Those men live fulfilled lives.

There are men who have lived their entire lives without seeing women.


There are many ways to the top of the mountain and not all of them involve sex.


I’m glad you are happy in this moment. That’s incredibly important. It’s a good day, then and you deserve good days. **** yeah brother.

Having an unfulfilled life, and no career is probably weighing on you. I would imagine focusing on that would stave off some of the deeper dissatisfaction you have with yourself.

Happiness is a garden that must be tended to regularly otherwise all of the fruits of your labor will spoil. It’s more of a constant activity than it is a destination. You’ll need to nurture this feeling, and not simply experience it. You must find things that allow you to feel this way and cultivate them in your life in such a way that you can maintain productivity. You’ll have to find ways to be productive that lead to means of happiness.

I will concede that Indian men are at a disadvantage. If I was a good looking white guy instead of a good looking Indian guy, with the same height, same career, and same physique, I’d literally be fishing with dynamite. No question.

However, it’s not all bleak. If you work on yourself, things with women likely would improve. Me and escortmaxxer are roughly the same height. He say he’s 4/10, but he can max out everywhere else. My aesthetics and career are acquired. That requires work. It’s “self improvement”. Would be foolish to think that my physique and career has nothing to do with my success with women. That’s all I’m trying to convey.

He still hasn’t responded to me as to why he’s skinny fat and not jacked and ripped. Also, if he’s so miserable, why doesn’t he gets arrangedmax to a 10/10 Virgin a imported bride from the motherland.

"Misogyny" like daring to require monogamy and exclusivity in a relationship. YOU'RE OPPRESSING HER! Let her fuk the neighborhood, how dare you bottle her essence?!

"Misogyny" in 2023 extends to holding women accountable in any way, shape, or form, even when theyshould be.

Nobody is claiming bold. What we're saying is that, you have to meet certain looks/race/height standards for those things to come into play. They definitely dont hurt you. But for example if you looked like me, those things wouldnt make a difference. that's all we're saying.

I cant speak for escort but if he's a lot uglier than you its entirely possible none of those things will make a difference for him

I don’t get how you can read his post and reply in the way you just did.

I have noticed you have this habit of replying to one line or one sentence within a post rather than interpreting it as a whole. It’s like you deliberately search every post for a weak point, hone in on that, and then ignore the rest of the post entirely.

It’s really odd, but I see you do it a lot.

So I have to respond to every single line of a post? Some parts I accept. I have nothing to add. Wtf do you want. I responded to the first part.

I responded to the entire first half of his post. If you can't tell that you're an idiot.

I didn't listen to the whole vocaroo, but you do have the tendency to do this. Gaslighting and manipulation 101

No you responded to the second part “a human need is…”

But it’s very clear from the other things you say that you haven’t really taken on board anything else he said.

Your response was basically a strawman, but I don’t know if you are doing it deliberately or you’ve actually got some reading comprehension issues going on, because it’s not the first time I’ve seen you do it.

This is not an insult btw I am very serious about this.

Try and reflect on the overall messaging is what he's saying, that doesn't entail responding to each line one by one. The overall message was that you CAN find actual contentment and even joy in life despite being alone.

You're face must be 8/10 and above. Thats not something you can change. I plan on getting plastic surgery but realistically that will only bring me up to a 5/10 or 6/10

You being a surgeon definitely helps you but thats not a career path I want to do. It's not realistic for everyone and it's completely out of the question for me since I would't even get in med school nor do I have any interest in that career.

We are the same height and I'm north indian just like you, which sort of helps me. South indians are even more phucked since they look like Australian Aboriginals. North Indians look middle eastern and persian and I've been mistaken as Hispanic before. But for North Indians to pull, they need to be good looking in the face. I'm ugly.

I'm skinny fat, and I'm working on cutting weight. That is one area where I'll concede I need improvement and that's what I plan to do. But having the physique you do might be genetic. Nobody in my family is ripped and has 6 pack abs.

And there's literally a zero percent chance I import a wife from the motherland. I'm not having a wife that can barely speak english, has no skills, and that I have nothing in common with. Part of marriage is having a lot in common with your significant other to the point where you want to spend the rest of your life with that person. What am I gonna do with an imported wife? Just fukkk her? Importing a wife and arranged marriage is like fukking escorts, it's not the real thing and nobody will respect you and I'll never be happy. Arranged marriages should not be a thing in 2023.

I dont get what you're saying,

I responded to the point about the idea that sex/dating isnt a need. why is that a problem?

He doesnt think it is, I think it is, so thats what I was talking about. Why is that an issue?

The other stuff in his post I had no comment.

6/10 in the face is all you need, it just takes work. I am about a 6-6.5 when lean maybe, you need to stop with the Chad obsession. And forget plastic surgery, will likely not even help.

https://www.thecut.com/2019/05/incel...c-surgery.html

Humans were created to connect. Having friends but no wife usually wont be enough, especially when your friends all get married and have children. Those same friends will have other priorities and wont be able to spend as much time with single people.

Confidence and virility play a huge role. Men who are not confident tend to be less virile, so there is def a connection there.

Lonely men are bad for a society in general too.

Plastic surgery will probably help me.

My jaw is phucked up and I have something called "Short face syndrome" where my face looks extremely punchable because my upper jaw is not as developed.

I also have a big nose so a nosejob would absolutely help me.

I have also considered chin augmentation and a lip lift to look more aethestic.

Once I save up for a year I plan to get all of these surgeries done and then I'll try my prospects with women again. I think it will absolutely make my face more aethestic. Maybe not by much to the point where I'm slaying, but at least I'll occassionally be fukking fat and ugly 3s when I go to the bar

This is some cereal box type of advice brah, does nothing good for incels or men struggling or looking for guidance. Plenty of young men love their lives, have activities, make money, and are still completely invisible to the opposite sex. Sounds good and may give some hope to some people, but your words will be forgotten the instant they see the girls they like going for the hot guys that every girl likes regardless of how cool their lives are or how they get out of bed in the morning.

And btw, when your competition is getting laid often and has tons of options compared to your zero options, then of course they are going to generally appear to have a happier or healthier life, as opposed to the man that cant get a date to save his own life. Even if men take your advice, they are competing with the top 10% of men that already love their life naturally and organically (not because they are forcing the mindset), so at the end of the day its still an uphill battle.




My advice is a little bit more to the point and result based. First of all, every incel or man struggling should understand that not all men are supposed to procreate or have romantic interests. No, there isnt such a thing as soulmates or better half bull****, not all men are entitled to love and sex, so men ultimately have three options:

a) be born as a desireable male (aka good genetics, good family etc)

b) become a desireable male, or as desireable as possible (aka lookmaxx, use shoelifts, if you have a fuked up face fix it, if you are young and balding get a hair transplant, make money, make yourself a part of a high quality social circle etc)

c) LDAR on the misc







Accepting yourself is a terrible advice, that maybe worked last century when 80% of women werent overweight, and monogamous traditional relationships wereHEAVILYpushed, when sloot shaming was as brutal as it should and when single women werent outearning single men. Nowadays tho, all of that is gone, dynamics have changed, so you have to adapt yourself.

Forget the idea of love, that cant be forced, if you have terrible genetics, you cant expect love at first sight, that can grow as time passes while you are together with a girl that accepted you first only because she saw other qualities she liked on you.

Any man on his mid 20's early 30's struggling right now should just stop complaining and focus on bettering himself in every possible way. So what, you are a 4 and your max potential is a 7? Become a 7 then, so you can at least land yourself a nice thin looking 5-6/10 woman.

% of desired males is very low, and will become even lower in the future. We are on our way to a polygamic society, where the top males will have multiple females as their women while multiple males at the bottom wont have absolutely nothing. In the future, 5-10 years, there will be an endless supply of average/cute looking single women desperately looking for a man (as they wasted their best years chasing after Chads and Enriques), so that is where you, aka any man that feels like a loser or that feels hopeless that is reading this, will shine. Its a patience game, but its not a matter of just watching the months go by, then the years etc. Actually do something, change yourself, reach your potential and maybe just maybe in 5 years you wont have to fuk a fatass.

What do you think his position on intimacy is? Going off his post. Re-state his position in your own words.

So, just to be clear, I am not asking you what his position is on sex, but rather intimacy.

Imagine a huge and powerful dragon, like Smaug from The Hobbit, that can survive for thousands of years, dominating its local ecosystem, eating whatever it wants, unthreatened by anything.

But the dragon never bothers to get out there and meet Mrs. Smaug, so it never reproduces. Sooner or later, it will die in some sort of dragon-related accident. When that happens, despite its thousands of years of dominance, it will qualify as a total Darwinian failure—an evolutionary dead end— because its genes for awesome survival abilities died out. They are gone forever.

If only Smaug had paid a little less attention to wrecking shops in tiny dwarf kingdoms and more attention to the mating game, maybe there’d be some baby Smaugs to continue their total domination of Middle Earth.

Well, you’re no Smaug. And you are definitely not descended from ancient, celibate dragons. You are descended from sexy little ****ers that developed weird fetishes for big brains and funny stories. In fact, your lineage has an unbroken line of sexual success stretching back millions of years. (Think about that the next time you’re feeling sorry for yourself, and borrow some confidence from your family tree.)

For male primates like us, it was never just about the survival of the fittest. Survival is just a means toward reproduction. And reproduction can’t usually happen without getting past the challenge of female choice: the fact that female primates will not mate with just any males that happen to be alive.

Across millions of species, males have discovered only four reliable ways to break through the female choice barrier: force, trickery, bribery, and honest mating effort. In this book, we’re talking about Door #4: honest mating effort. Because in a modern, moral society, if you want sex and relationships with women, honest mating effort is the only route.

You must make yourself more attractive to women, given the choice criteria they already have that are based on their evolutionary history, their cultural traditions, and their individual personalities and contexts. You can fantasize about their preferences being different—a pornotopia where beautiful women fall at your feet and do whatever you want. But in the real world, you can’t argue women into changing their instinctive preferences. They either find you attractive or they don’t. So your only practical and ethical point of leverage is to transform yourself into the kind of guy who completes their attraction circuits.

Think of the human mating game as a literal game. In game theory, a game is composed of players, payoffs, and rules. To succeed, you must understand all three of those elements. If you play without understanding them, you’re the sucker who ends up getting bankrupted by the casino. And here’s the thing about that: in the human mating game, women don’t own the casino. They don’t benefit by you failing. In fact, they want you to succeed because human mating should be a win-win interaction for both sexes. Rather, it is marketers and scammers who are running the casino. The more you fail with women, the more easily they can manipulate you into buying whatever they’re selling—the American Apparel lifestyle, the Pickup Artist weekend seminar, the midlife-crisis BMW. So you need to understand the other players in this game (women and men), the payoffs they seek (their preferences), and the rules
(how courtship, signaling, and mating markets work).

This is a compelling counterpoint to TypeNirv's recommendations, and I actually agree with you both. Your self-improvement advice is on point for the average or even slightly below average male. BBMG, however, would do well to listen to TypeNirvash. He's not going to be able to raise his appeal to the point where he's happy with his dating life, so he needs to learn to find contentment elsewhere.

golden lol

You are conflating desires and needs.

There are many paths to happiness and you’ve outlined the most common one. But clearly, the most common path to happiness is currently unavailable to you.

Either there is no solution and you are damned to live a horrible life where the only joy you experience is fleeting and you never truly get to live…

Or there’s another, different path, to self actualization and emotional fulfillment.

I’d be willing to bet it’s the latter and not the former.

I already know this. why do you think im full rot mode right now? If I'm going to be alone forever, I dont need to kill myself working.

Im gonna try to live as best I can given the circumstances, but its always going to suck.

You forgot:
“acceptance” for fat/ugly/deranged women
Legal system stacked against men
Men appear as pieces of chit or dangerous in every media portrayal
Rise in single mothers

So all this to say

You have 3 options:
1) Be born a Chad
2) Self improvement
3) Accept your life as it is, and recognize that you need to find another way to make your life enjoyable.



Sounds a lot like what I said but edgier.

What I am discussing is option 3 actually. It sucks to suck, but you should make your ****ty life less ****ty.

How do you do that? By finding what you enjoy and actively pursuing that.

Yeah, it’s going to be a head**** watching people get to do things that seem impossible for you. But you have to find a way to live with that somehow.

None of this is advice for getting girls. My whole point was that if you’re content enough with your life you will not need to seek out a partner. You missed the entire point.

Option 3 is essentially option 2 but without doing it for anybody but yourself.

Good to see you post, brah!

I agree with this, with the qualification that it's very tailored advice for a specific type of individual. I would always recommend 2 before 3 in other words, unless it's someone like BBMG

I dont think anyone argues against this in theory. I think the problem is realizing how little difference you can really make if some very fundamental core aspects of your life suck.

Like why am I choosing to rot? Because I've realized my life will suck regardless of what I do. So why bother. No reason to kill myself working or really doing anything I dont want to do. The end result is going to be undesirable no matter what.

People like you think someone can live this awesome life and just forget that they're lonely sexless rejects, and its just not true man. Vast majority of people cannot do that.

Men with otherwise good lives will be depressed and kill themselves if they're 50 coming home to an empty house, havent had sex in decades and people around them have loving lives or at least had it at some point. Thats just reality

Last paragraph is nonsense. There are men that age who are bachelors and who are perfectly content with their lives. You seem to have a mental barrier preventing you from seeing this. Part of the problem I think is that for you a fulfilling life seems to reduce to "rot mode" without women. As you said, that may bring you fleeting happiness, but it's not a formula for satisfaction. You need to find activities and a calling with more purpose to achieve general fulfillment.

Good to see you too my brotha!Hope you have been good lately!

Exactly, option 3 is essentially last resort. It’s stoic mode on max difficulty.
The human mind is amazing in what it can get used to. That is humanity’s “super power”; it can adapt to almost any scenario it is placed in.

IMO, if I were you; I’d strive for greater financial success and greater career success. I would focus more on work because, what else are you going to focus on? At least you could potentially see a genuine improvement if you can increase your pay and better your financial situation. money doesn’t solve every problem, but it sure does make life easier.

I’ve been full monk mode in my house before, especially when I went broke. It’s only worth “rotting” if you’re doing it to save money, or if the social distance helps you perform better at work.

I would also start looking for organizations that I’d like to volunteer for and queue a few hours weekly into them.

I would pick up a hobby, like skateboarding, (or bouldering) where the community is friendly and welcoming to those who are trying to learn.

I would set aside time to do a once-a-week meet up with friends for coffee, and to catch up.

I would set aside about thirty minutes to an hour daily to call people I love to catch up.

I would join a social group that meets for game-night once a week.

I would find a local amateur league that meets up a few times a month and welcomes beginners (for example, here in Austin there are multiple disc golf meetups).

I would find a DnD campaign in a local shop that’s taking on new players, or participate in a one-shot.


I mean these are really basic things but they are a hell of a lot better than rotting. And you’ll meet people.

And look, it’s option 3 for you but…

38% of people ages 18-32 meet their partners through friends. That’s a surprisingly large number.

So yeah, it’s option 3 for you, but you genuinely have way better chances here than you would through dating platforms, or what have you.

There are some men who live content as monks, that doesnt mean most men can do that. I dont think most men can age as sexless loners either and be happy. Lets be real dude. Theres a reason most men dont choose to live like that if they have the option not to.