How long have you been single and sexless in life? I dont think anyone in similar shoes would ever downplay this. there are some people that might not mind it, but I havent met them. Vast majority of men will be pretty depressed being single their entire life and never having sex.

Bold is utter nonsense. First off, even if you wanted to adopt as a single man its almost impossible. its also hell being a single parent with no help. Hookers are good but going to a hooker every single time you need to get laid when anyone in a healthy relationship can do it multiple times a week? ok.

And friends will likely have better things to do than stay in touch consistently. thats just reality. my generation might be different because so many men will end up alone and we can band together, but its really not realistic to think you're going to have buddies hanging out every weekend into your older years.

And last line is a total strawman. Never before did you need to be a top tier man just to get a gf or have a family. Thats absolute nonsense. Im not here saying only chad life can be happy. But getting a gf or married and having kids in your 20s or 30s used to be pretty standard. Now thats chad's life only?

Look at the men who are forever single who appear to be happy; prostitutes, surrounded by beautiful women because they are successful, drugs, alcohol (general partying), work from sun up til sundown...

I know of several men who are in their 50s who are millionaires. They are not truly happy though. A few have confessed to me that they would prefer to be married with kids, but their addictions make that impossible. In other words, they CHOOSE to be single, and have things in their lives that are dysfunctional.

On the other hand, these men have focused on other things that help them get by. Men in general get a lot of meaning out of their work. Opening a business or building/creating something is tremendously helpful.

Its not as cut and dry like we would like to believe. There are many factors, however, wanting to be married but not having success weighs heavily on the heart.

I think Ken-O's advice differs in that he heavily suggests looksmaxxing, and he'd be more particular on the social aspect as well (if he were to describe a "high quality social circle").

And I agree that his advice is much more actionable and helpful. I have spent plenty of years with "a life as a place that I genuinely enjoy," but it has done fukall for my dating life.

I do think plenty of guys overstress dating when they don't have real friends, a job, or whatever all else, but I don't think "making your life a place that you genuinely enjoy" really *causes* you to do better with dating. I know you acknowledge that you think an aggressive approach is not the answer, but IME for myself and those around me, being as indirect as you suggest is not a path to success unless you're lucky/you never struggled with dating in the first place.

Nah, you're the billionaire telling the homeless man money doesnt buy happiness. That might be true, but its also not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing poverty breeds misery. get the analogy?

I am sure you are correct about relationships. But being alone constantly? That is worse and its not close. I know that because even most divorced people try again. They dont swear off relationships even after getting the worst of it.

And there are many more variables today that make it much more difficult for many men. So while you might think it's cut and dry, it's really not unless you really are 53 then you have an antiquated mentality.

totally wrong. women date losers all the time, especially when they are theyre youngest and hottest. if they want a winner, they want a beta bux later on.

lol they still managed to swing it as being men's fault

Why arent all men 6ft!

bump

Well yeah but you cant deny the effect that a lonely bed will have on a grown ass man. This thread is about incels after all. When you dont have to worry about getting women (because you have them/can get them), then thats when you can start focusing on other maybe more important/fulfilling things, but for a grown men, to bust a nut and have a womans touch is as necessary for his wellbeing as drinking a cold glass of water is, at least IMO.


Also not everyone has hobbies or a "path", so telling men to find what they enjoy is also kind of ambiguous. Not everyone has passions or something that drives them, most men just want to be loved, have friends, have some beers while watching the game and have a woman next to them at night. Telling men that they need to build themselves a life that makes them happy and completely content without the need of a woman is even more complex and complicated, and at least personally i wouldnt dare trying to teach a man how to reach that level that most people cant.

Advice like this IMO just makes them even more frustrated. "I just want to fuk a normal looking girl, you telling me i have to go on a life changing path, find passions, find motivation, become happy and content, and then just hope the advice works and what i truly want in life comes to me aka girls?" I dont know, when you put it like that the juice aint worth the squeeze, at least not in their minds.


I get what you are saying, but you are talking to men that are lost, clueless, and have had their minds altered by the current toxic society. Thats why i like to give a more direct and agressive approach.

"Oh but you are just teaching them how to fuk girls, that is meaningless, animalistic almost, life is not about that". I mean, lets see what these guys think after they are done banging their new cute girlfriend for an hour straight, and just finally relaxing, chilling watching netflix while shes sleeping next to them. I bet lifes going to suddenly make a litle bit more sense then.



But you dont know that. Where i agree with TypeNirvash, is that first of all, you gotta change your mindset. It can kill you while living if you let it.

Have told you several times to just figure out ways to make more money and fix your physical flaws as much as you can, even if you wont end up 6'0" and white, surely you are going to improve drastically?

Its an investment in yourself. Already said in my previous post about how women are going to be DESPERATE for monogamous relationships in the next 5-10 years. They are going to look for any man capable of providing and with a working dick and try to lock them down desperately. The Chads and Enriques will be out of 99% of women's reach because they will have all the options, and no need to commit to a single woman, so thats where the normal guys that have done their hard work will excel.



You have a mindset problem, thats your real issue. If you were really good looking and tall you would probably be depressed too because then you would figure out that women only want you for your looks and not because of who you truly are as a person. Gloomy people always find ways to keep glooming, its a disease that rots their soul away. Take Kurt Cobain for example, dude could probably fuk a new young gorgeous chick every single day yet he decided to off himself because of other issues.

Women naturally and organically lusting for you or feeling romance for you aint that much better, when you realize how human beings truly are, how women think, how men act etc, you understand that life is incredibly easy to predict. Thats your problem right? That you feel like no women will ever truly love you the way she would love a taller and better looking man?


Guess what, i could think that most women couldnt love me as much as they would love Henry Cavill, or Chris Hemsworth, theres always someone more attractive or desired than you. At the end of the day, you need to understand where you are standing and just try to make the best out of the hand you were dealt with, stop comparing yourself to the owners of the casino if you know what im saying.

love your response to typenirvash, your posts in general are super on point.

For me, I think you're on the mark and thats basically what I'm doing. I'm enjoying my life as best I can given the cirucmstances, but that doesnt mean all the bullchit your'e saying. For me, it means rotmaxxing. If this is my fate, I'll put as little effort as possible just to get by and play videogames and jerk off.

I'm a 100% NEET and its fun. I dont see why I would do anything different just to be an incel anyway. I already invested in myself. Had a 6 figure job, ivy league degree, have my own house, bought clothes etc etc etc. it didnt work. I'm going the other way now. Fuk it.

I 100% DISAGREE with your idea that women are ever going to be desperate. Even in 5-10 years if they want a real relationship, they'll have a million options by just turning on a dating app. Its over dude.

Trust me, they will. Hell, they already are frustrated. Tons of cute looking women on their late 20's early 30's wondering how on earth are they still single and on the dating game. With time, they will realize why, aka high standards. They will understand that the guys they like are the same guys that every other girls likes, and since girls are fuking guys on the first date, or getting into "situationships" with guys so easily (guys that have situationship with 5 other girls at the same time), then they will understand that they will HAVE to make a choice between three options:

1) Become polyamorous, aka share their man publicly and accept the fact the father of her kids is fuking multiple other women
2) Become monogamous even if it means lowering her standards a bit (aka what women did the last century)
3) Become the female version of an incel aka a women that simply doesnt have any romantic connection with anybody, just fukin or lonely.


Right now most girls still think they have option 4 which is just be patient and hope the guy they want commits to them (which wont happen for the vast majority of them). Thats around 80% of modern women, so in around 5-10 years i expect a good portion of that % to realize the game they are playing and shift to one of the other 3 options. By then, being a normal guy with his life and **** together will be golden for the girls that pick option number 2.

Plausible narrative for sure, but I really think women are just going to stay alone. I think they genuinely would prefer cats and wine to fuking a man they arent attracted to but we shall see. The women of past generations never had it like these women have. They were conditioned to want men in a different way. I dont think its possible for this new generation to change.

Will be interestiing how it plays out.

I think more will accept option 1 than you might be anticipating also. Option 3 and option 1 will happen way more than option 2.

Statistically speaking, there is a contradiction here. More women and less men are wanting to get married. The feminist movement was to empower women, but instead it had unintended consequences; less respect from men, and decreased desirability for marriage.

One last thing to remember is that more and more women are focusing on their career in their early life. This means they won't be settling down and trying to get married until the early to mid 30s. This is the timeframe when men who want to get married are already married. If you are in your 20s, you're more likely to find a woman to marry in her 30s than you will in her 20s.

In other words, you could simply be looking in the wrong age group

Both less women and less men are wanting to get married, the trends on that are pretty clear.

I agree on the age part but that's basically where every man has to decide if they're willing to take some used up whore who ignored him in his 20s while she was banging chad.

Honestly, good that marriage rates are falling.

Marriage overwhemingly favors women in the West. Women dominate the marriage and men have to take it like cucks because they would get cleaned in divorce and lose his house, kids, car, and income.

Marriage falling means women lose their power

The problem here is the word “loser”, which is a broad term.

The type of losers you’re thinking of are different to the type he is thinking of.

Ain't readin' that stupid shiit . N N N N N

You know, you remind me of Elliot Rodgers in that he really looked down on women and had absolutely nothing good to say about them, yet at the same time he wanted them more badly than just about anything else on this planet.

I dont look down on women, I think everything they're doing is biological/psychological programming. You cant blame someone for that.

But I'll also call it as it is, women crawling back desperately to the men they ignored in their 20s is sad. But a lot of desperate men will take them with open arms.

whole thing is a sad mess

As long as women have vaginas they have the power, dont kid yourself.

Fewer men losing everything in divorce sounds positive, but its offset by the rise of men offing themselves or otherwise losing their way because they are lonely.

You referring to women in general as "used up whores" if they're single in their 30s is a caricature. Find a woman who is single in her early thirties for a legit reason, who is on your looks level, and date her. You've done it before twice.

But at this point I think Alltrapbrah is right--your resentment of women precludes you from having a genuine romantic relationship with one, it can only be transactional at this point.

It's sort of a biological fact tho brah. Post wall females in their 30s are unfit to bear my seed and are therefore USELESS to me!



not srs



semi srs





srs

They're nasty

He's a 5'3 incel bitching about how no woman will date him, not like he can choose. Plus, most guys dating in their thirties will have to look in that age range.

Saw this other article on the front page of CNN

They're talking about us

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/16/us/in...cec/index.html

This is exactly why women hate incels

Your bad attitude combined that with ur looks and lifestyle what do you expect?

Would you do date u if you were woman?

It's all good. I don't need a female. AI sexbots are right around the corner son.