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Russia’s Economy Is Starting to Come Undone
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias...d=hp_lead_pos6
MOSCOW—The opening months of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year drove an increase in oil and natural-gas prices that brought a windfall for Moscow. Those days are over.
As the war continues into its second year and Western sanctions bite harder, Russia’s government revenue is being squeezed and its economy has shifted to a lower-growth trajectory, likely for the long term.
The country’s biggest exports, gas and oil, have lost major customers. Government finances are strained. The ruble is down over 20% since November against the dollar. The labor force has shrunk as young people are sent to the front or flee the country over fears of being drafted. Uncertainty has curbed business investment.
“Russia’s economy is entering a long-term regression,” predicted Alexandra Prokopenko, a former Russian Central Bank official who left the country shortly after the invasion.
There is no sign the economic difficulties are bad enough to pose a short-term threat to Russia’s ability to wage war. But state revenue shortfalls suggest an intensifying dilemma over how to reconcile ballooning military expenditures with the subsidies and social spending that have helped President Vladimir Putin shield civilians from hardship.
Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska warned this month that Russia is running out of cash. “There will be no money next year, we need foreign investors,” the raw-materials magnate said at an economic conference.
Having largely lost its European market next door, and with other Western investors pulling out, Moscow is becoming ever more reliant on China, threatening to realize long-simmering fears in Moscow of becoming an economic colony of its dominant southern neighbor.
MOSCOW—The opening months of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year drove an increase in oil and natural-gas prices that brought a windfall for Moscow. Those days are over.
As the war continues into its second year and Western sanctions bite harder, Russia’s government revenue is being squeezed and its economy has shifted to a lower-growth trajectory, likely for the long term.
The country’s biggest exports, gas and oil, have lost major customers. Government finances are strained. The ruble is down over 20% since November against the dollar. The labor force has shrunk as young people are sent to the front or flee the country over fears of being drafted. Uncertainty has curbed business investment.
“Russia’s economy is entering a long-term regression,” predicted Alexandra Prokopenko, a former Russian Central Bank official who left the country shortly after the invasion.
There is no sign the economic difficulties are bad enough to pose a short-term threat to Russia’s ability to wage war. But state revenue shortfalls suggest an intensifying dilemma over how to reconcile ballooning military expenditures with the subsidies and social spending that have helped President Vladimir Putin shield civilians from hardship.
Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska warned this month that Russia is running out of cash. “There will be no money next year, we need foreign investors,” the raw-materials magnate said at an economic conference.
Having largely lost its European market next door, and with other Western investors pulling out, Moscow is becoming ever more reliant on China, threatening to realize long-simmering fears in Moscow of becoming an economic colony of its dominant southern neighbor.
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Still in better shape than the US economy.
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Everything the US media has said has been a lie.
Now they are saying working out is making people unhealthy - Working out is the best thing you can do for your body
Being fat is healthy - Being fat is terrible
COVID vax is safe and effective - didnt stop spread, caused severe inflamation and death
Ukraine is winning war - Ukraine has taken 1 trillion dollars in damage
Russia on the brink of economic collapse - US actually at 15% inflation, USD About to lose world reserve status, banks are collapsing, economic depression is looming
It's just a joke. They repealed laws against using propaganda on US citizens in 2012 or 2014 and now run it 24/7. Literally do the opposite of what the main stream media says and you will become healthy, wise, and successful.
Now they are saying working out is making people unhealthy - Working out is the best thing you can do for your body
Being fat is healthy - Being fat is terrible
COVID vax is safe and effective - didnt stop spread, caused severe inflamation and death
Ukraine is winning war - Ukraine has taken 1 trillion dollars in damage
Russia on the brink of economic collapse - US actually at 15% inflation, USD About to lose world reserve status, banks are collapsing, economic depression is looming
It's just a joke. They repealed laws against using propaganda on US citizens in 2012 or 2014 and now run it 24/7. Literally do the opposite of what the main stream media says and you will become healthy, wise, and successful.
03-28-2023, 09:17 AM
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If China responded to the invasion as an ally of Russia with the PLA and Putin
That would be WWIII plain and simple, or even global thermonuclear annihilation
It was some sort of miracle from Heaven that China decided it was not worth it
That would be WWIII plain and simple, or even global thermonuclear annihilation
It was some sort of miracle from Heaven that China decided it was not worth it
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Originally Posted By keyboardworkout⏩
The Ruble is losing value rapidly to the Dollar, so it's quite clear that this isn't the case. I think this is just the beginning, and it's why Puting is trying so hard to attract foreign investment.Still in better shape than the US economy.
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Originally Posted By BeanGainClovis⏩
China isn't going to war over Russia. They are nothing more than economic friends. But they need oil badly, so they will cooperate with them.If China responded to the invasion as an ally of Russia with the PLA and Putin
That would be WWIII plain and simple, or even global thermonuclear annihilation
It was some sort of miracle from Heaven that China decided it was not worth it
That would be WWIII plain and simple, or even global thermonuclear annihilation
It was some sort of miracle from Heaven that China decided it was not worth it
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Originally Posted By BeanGainClovis⏩
So, there is hope for peace.If China responded to the invasion as an ally of Russia with the PLA and Putin
That would be WWIII plain and simple, or even global thermonuclear annihilation
It was some sort of miracle from Heaven that China decided it was not worth it
That would be WWIII plain and simple, or even global thermonuclear annihilation
It was some sort of miracle from Heaven that China decided it was not worth it
And a simple path is predicated upon the Ukrainian government ending its suppression of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.
Or it will be the current holy uprising of the Cossacks and the defenders of the Russian people in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.
One way or another, the churches of Christendom seek to enact justice and establish order in our lands between brother nations.
You see, the zionists took us into a war with the Muslim nations, the spiritual repercussions are unfolding.
Now, the zionists take us into a war with each other, with Christian nations, and the sins grow in number.
Do they think that they can hide their sins from God?
This is a time to pray and to be brave for what is coming.
Beans. Cleans. Gasoline.
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
And the state atheist communist party that rules China imprisons and tortures people for being Christians.Uh China needs the rest of the world more than the rest of the world needs China
We are the reason so many of their people have been pulled out of rural poverty
We are the reason so many of their people have been pulled out of rural poverty
The rise of Christianity in China is our hope for peace and Christ is always our defense against the godless elite.
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They met their yearly gas quota in like the first 3 months last year. Surely this is not propaganda
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
The Ruble is losing value rapidly to the Dollar, so it's quite clear that this isn't the case. I think this is just the beginning, and it's why Puting is trying so hard to attract foreign investment.

Did you even look at the charts yourself. It's at the same level as 5 years ago. It's very slowly fluctuating lately, oh noes Rusha is done now.
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
Did you even look at the charts yourself. It's at the same level as 5 years ago. It's very slowly fluctuating lately, oh noes Rusha is done now.
The Ruble has lost 50% of it’s value in the last 9 months lol
Did you even look at the charts yourself. It's at the same level as 5 years ago. It's very slowly fluctuating lately, oh noes Rusha is done now.
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Its really hard to say for sure because both the Russian media and the US media report on pure propaganda all the time.
The one thing I do know is this war can end in literally an instant and 3 months from now everything return to 'normal' in Russia. Literally sanctions dropped and business as usual. Meanwhile thousands will be dead. Ukraine in shambles with billions of our tax dollars being funneled to rebuild. And its business as usual for the Russian and Ukrainian elites. While this seems bizarre its literally the most likely out-come. A back room deal. Russia pulls out. And its life as normal within a week or two.
Don't believe me? We spent 20 years at War in Afghanistan and literally everything was erased in about 48 hours after we left. Boom, the country is no different then if we hadn't been there at all. A 20 year conflict pretty much undone and erased in days. All of the money spent, lives lost and efforts given completely wasted.
Its lost 50% of its inflated value. Look at the 5 year chart man.
The one thing I do know is this war can end in literally an instant and 3 months from now everything return to 'normal' in Russia. Literally sanctions dropped and business as usual. Meanwhile thousands will be dead. Ukraine in shambles with billions of our tax dollars being funneled to rebuild. And its business as usual for the Russian and Ukrainian elites. While this seems bizarre its literally the most likely out-come. A back room deal. Russia pulls out. And its life as normal within a week or two.
Don't believe me? We spent 20 years at War in Afghanistan and literally everything was erased in about 48 hours after we left. Boom, the country is no different then if we hadn't been there at all. A 20 year conflict pretty much undone and erased in days. All of the money spent, lives lost and efforts given completely wasted.
Originally Posted By Masterchieffer⏩
Based on the post you quoted it looks like it was artificially inflated, tanked, and has now recovered and is precisely in the area it should be give or take a few percent.The Ruble has lost 50% of it’s value in the last 9 months lol
Its lost 50% of its inflated value. Look at the 5 year chart man.
03-28-2023, 01:34 PM
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That's why he met with Xi. He will be selling chit to China.
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Catching up to our economy then
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
Bro the USD is under huge pressure as the US has printed half of all of it in existence in a few years. China is talking to Saudi Arabia to take Yuan for oil purchases. US is the one on the ropes and it isn't even in a war. Do you hear the WSJ reporting on the banking crisis? Inflation? The coming recession? (yield curve has inverted steeply). Nah, it's more look over there, don't worry about here! You lost 10%-15% purchasing power in a year, look at Russia collapsing!The Ruble is losing value rapidly to the Dollar, so it's quite clear that this isn't the case. I think this is just the beginning, and it's why Puting is trying so hard to attract foreign investment.
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Originally Posted By Barteh⏩
Did you even look at the charts yourself. It's at the same level as 5 years ago. It's very slowly fluctuating lately, oh noes Rusha is done now.
It’s starting to come undone. Let’s revisit these charts in 3 mos
Did you even look at the charts yourself. It's at the same level as 5 years ago. It's very slowly fluctuating lately, oh noes Rusha is done now.
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Russia is now an economic vassal of China.
the MSM lies about 90% of the time, but this time they're correct. Russia is now entirely dependent on China to buy it's oil and gas. And to a lesser extend, it depends on India buying it's oil and gas as well.
There's just no way out for Russia now. If they withdraw, then it's utter defeat and humiliation - and China will take advantage. If they stay in the war, they'll be weakened and China will take advantage. There's simply no scenario in which China doesn't bleed Russia dry.
And if Qatar manages to finally get a natural gas pipeline through Syria and Turkey and into the Euro market, it's GAME OVER for Russia.
Instead of invading Ukraine, Putin should have focused his final years on implementing a Lebensraum Project and FORCING young Russian men and women into having more children (or face imprisonment)...
the MSM lies about 90% of the time, but this time they're correct. Russia is now entirely dependent on China to buy it's oil and gas. And to a lesser extend, it depends on India buying it's oil and gas as well.
There's just no way out for Russia now. If they withdraw, then it's utter defeat and humiliation - and China will take advantage. If they stay in the war, they'll be weakened and China will take advantage. There's simply no scenario in which China doesn't bleed Russia dry.
And if Qatar manages to finally get a natural gas pipeline through Syria and Turkey and into the Euro market, it's GAME OVER for Russia.
Instead of invading Ukraine, Putin should have focused his final years on implementing a Lebensraum Project and FORCING young Russian men and women into having more children (or face imprisonment)...
Everything I post is satire.
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Originally Posted By BigDaddyBiceps⏩
Do you have any clue what’s happening in the rest of the world?Bro the USD is under huge pressure as the US has printed half of all of it in existence in a few years. China is talking to Saudi Arabia to take Yuan for oil purchases. US is the one on the ropes and it isn't even in a war. Do you hear the WSJ reporting on the banking crisis? Inflation? The coming recession? (yield curve has inverted steeply). Nah, it's more look over there, don't worry about here! You lost 10%-15% purchasing power in a year, look at Russia collapsing!
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
Right, we can see if the last few months was a small correction or if it's a trend that is going to continue. I don't see any signs of a worrisome trend for Russia.It’s starting to come undone. Let’s revisit these charts in 3 mos
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Originally Posted By BigDaddyBiceps⏩
Absolute wizardryEverything the US media has said has been a lie.
Now they are saying working out is making people unhealthy - Working out is the best thing you can do for your body
Being fat is healthy - Being fat is terrible
COVID vax is safe and effective - didnt stop spread, caused severe inflamation and death
Ukraine is winning war - Ukraine has taken 1 trillion dollars in damage
Russia on the brink of economic collapse - US actually at 15% inflation, USD About to lose world reserve status, banks are collapsing, economic depression is looming
It's just a joke. They repealed laws against using propaganda on US citizens in 2012 or 2014 and now run it 24/7. Literally do the opposite of what the main stream media says and you will become healthy, wise, and successful.
Now they are saying working out is making people unhealthy - Working out is the best thing you can do for your body
Being fat is healthy - Being fat is terrible
COVID vax is safe and effective - didnt stop spread, caused severe inflamation and death
Ukraine is winning war - Ukraine has taken 1 trillion dollars in damage
Russia on the brink of economic collapse - US actually at 15% inflation, USD About to lose world reserve status, banks are collapsing, economic depression is looming
It's just a joke. They repealed laws against using propaganda on US citizens in 2012 or 2014 and now run it 24/7. Literally do the opposite of what the main stream media says and you will become healthy, wise, and successful.
*Tolerance is the lube that slides the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of civilized society*
*We didn't deserve snailsrus*
As always: not medical advice but medical opinion crew
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Originally Posted By OliverHeldens⏩
Just so you know I have set a reminder in my calendar and bookmarked this postIt’s starting to come undone. Let’s revisit these charts in 3 mos
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All the international relations and finance experts have gathered here already, lol. To cope, anyway.
Anyone thinks that sanctions haven't had an effect on Russia is either an absolute retard or a shill. Half the active posters on the Misc these days are shills, hence why Mods quit I guess since they can't ban them. JFL.
Anyone thinks that sanctions haven't had an effect on Russia is either an absolute retard or a shill. Half the active posters on the Misc these days are shills, hence why Mods quit I guess since they can't ban them. JFL.
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Originally Posted By BeanGainClovis⏩
ThisIf China responded to the invasion as an ally of Russia with the PLA and Putin
That would be WWIII plain and simple, or even global thermonuclear annihilation
It was some sort of miracle from Heaven that China decided it was not worth it
That would be WWIII plain and simple, or even global thermonuclear annihilation
It was some sort of miracle from Heaven that China decided it was not worth it
However things could change of they invade Taiwan dead srs
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So is damn near every other country in the world, banks are failing in the US and there is talk of Deutsch Bank and Swiss National Bank doing the same. I don't doubt their economy is coming undone, but so is ours. I don't think they are significantly in worse shape than anyone else right now
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Originally Posted By Masterchieffer⏩
BRICS economic allianceThe Ruble has lost 50% of it’s value in the last 9 months lol
Research this
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Post up the Russian media, and we can translate it for ya!
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well if the American media says so


There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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I thought the Russian economy was going to collapse when the war started?
Now its starting to collapse?
Western media of peace
Now its starting to collapse?
Western media of peace
Future P.A in progress
We're all gonna make it
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