In the book “The Coddling of the American Mind” the author advances an argument that basically says helicopter parents, being told to go to the teacher when someone is even a bit mean to you etc has created our current culture.

Essentially we are training people from a young age to expect an authority figure to be present at all times. If we are playing together and you don’t want to share a toy with me, I no longer have to learn to persuade you to give me what I want, but rather learn how to persuade the authority figure to take my side and force you to give me what I want. I. E. Tattling

This is obviously a massive oversimplification but you get the thrust of the idea.


What you think misc?

agreed

im anti anti bullying

it just creates weak easily controlled sheep

but that is what the elite want to make of us working slaves

Oh 100%

I'll read that book.

I see my nephews and necies do this all the time. Their parents just sign frustratedly and roll their eyes and tell Timmy to give Ricky the toy and that he has to share.

I always pipe up loke "why does he have to share? That's his toy. How come the kid who wants it and doesn't have it get it, why does he have to "share"? Once you give it to the other kid and the 1st kid wants it, does the one who has it now HAVE to share?"

F*ck that so hard.

Can't wait to have a kid and one of the older cousins takes his toy and he looks and me loke "wtf?" So I can tell him he can either take it back or lose it. That's life.

I think on a large scale we are sort of preprogrammed in nature to go through cycles.


It’s like that mice experiment.

As each generation gets more comfortable and there is less to fight/work for, we are sort of preprogrammed to either manufacture problems or collapse.

It's probably because ppl just arent having enough kids so they are over protective of the 1 they do have. Pre ww2 people had atleast 5 siblings, now their lucky to have 1.
We also live in a low-trust society, with child sex offenders walking amongst us, When Whites had control these people were "taken out" by the healthy society.

We need a right-wing fascist government, and for it to promote White familys. sorry but thats the only way to save 'merica.

and we need to bring back tha boyz

I think you're right in the last line that it's an oversimplification. I agree that's definitely part of the problem. I volunteer a lot with teens and coach wrestling. Parents are not like they used to be, and quite a few are under the impression their kid is never wrong or can't be inconvenienced in the slightest. I think a lot lies in the hands of comfort. Comfort for the parents to either electronically or chemically babysit their child. Comfort for the child to not challenge themselves as we live in a world where they don't have to

I FREQUENTLY tell me kids “you don’t need a grown up for this” and have had other parents express amazement and say they’re going to start doing this. Like they’re playing out front with neighborhood kids while I talk to the parents or whatever. If they come over to try and get us to ref the game? No. Find a way to play together.

Definitely a cliffs of his idea, and the book lays out many more root causes including the ones you’re bringing up. I had just never heard the helicoptering argument before. I think that and “my kid is never wrong” are two sides of the same coin of parents being doting/invested in their kids to the point of fault.

If you ever get around to reading the book I’d love to hear what you thought of it. As you can tell, it got me thinking. Reps for volunteering too srs, cool chit my guy.

I'll add it to my never ending list of "to read" lol.. I agree they are in close proximity but I don't feel them to be mutually inclusive. I do believe there is a healthy medium to "helicopter parenting". I've been accused of it by people at the park for following/playing with my kids while they just mindlessly scroll social media on their phones. I guess it really just comes down to definition, to which I would believe you and I would have the same


Volunteering is a must. We all drink from the well someone else has dug, and it's important to extend to others what you've been given

I think it is less about parenting and more about the stagnation and decay of the nation. Our economy grows yet only the very top grows wealthier, the standard and cost living becomes worse for Americans. Healthcare, education, housing, have all become massive debt traps or unaffordable for many, which used to be very affordable. As power and wealth concentrates to the top of society, the rich and the government becomes increasingly out of touch with the people and divided from the people.

Those lockdowns only benefited the elite. They shut down churches and small business but let large megacorporations and tech giants stay open, which made massive gains. They kept a lot of Walmarts and Amazon fulfillment centers open, but they shut down houses of worship, caused mass unemployment, even shut down schools for remote schooling. These rich people who run our country send their families to expensive private schools, they have expensive private healthcare, but they make the decisions on school and healthcare funding. They absolutely do not care about us, and they would bleed this nation dry and then jump ship as the wealthy ruling class is international by nature. These people own islands and mansions.

A nation is like a home, and our home is being neglected, while trying to start fights with its neighbors. We could be building our nation and keeping it safe and defended instead. But the government is corrupt and these rich people just want to hold on to power. They would even try and split the nation apart rather than lose their regime. That is why they have become tyrannical, shutting down churches using armed men is a line that they cannot uncross. It is a matter of national survival.

Good stuff. I think it's pretty accurate. Our kids get told all the time, "this sounds like something you can work out on your own". Lots of good points in here.

I think having less kids definitely plays a role. My kids have to work a lot of things out between each other just because there's 5 of them and we can only do so much. I mostly step in when a kid is really misbehaving and they get told to figure it out on their own because if I have to get involved there will be consequences.

Shielding your kids from ALL consequences is setting them up for failure for sure. Even my four year old - she would dawdle in the morning. If we’re out the door on time I take them to a playground near us. If we’re late, there isn’t time. She wants to play so she is learning to be ready on time.

I don’t want to stress them out, they’re little kids and the point of childhood is to be a happy and well rounded kid, not a small grown up. But they do need to learn age appropriate skills for how to get what they want in life.