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Originally Posted By kusok⏩
Bro, it’s a troll thread, he’s on 600 mg of caffeine and vapes four times a day etc.
+1 stop this bull****
My ALT is elevated. 75.
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Originally Posted By kusok⏩
Lol, can’t tell if srs

Let me ask you a question: let’s say you’re in charge of the country, and you have huge protests going on with people burning down cities and so on, and you used your police and army to arrest and put down the protests, would you then look outside at an empty street and say that there were no protests and nothing happened and everybody’s happy?

That’s what you’re doing here, you’re looking at an empty street after the protesters have been beat down and arrested, and you’re saying oh look there were no protests the empty street rules it out!
what biomarkers would you suggest
My ALT is elevated. 75.
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Originally Posted By muscletraining⏩
I have been diagnosed with CFS after years of wondering what’s wrong with me, struggle to keep weight off unless I’m eating an extremely restrictive diet which isn’t maintainable and leads to yo-yo fluctuations.

I’m UK based and the only treatment offered are mental sessions of how to deal with things that are absolutely useless and a complete waste of time and energy.

I have tried a restrictive diet spent thousands on bed, bedding, pillows, air and water purifiers but still no change.

I generally go to sleep around 10:30pm and wake up around 3:30 wide awake but absolutely shattered, try to get back to sleep but it takes an hour or more, been told that’s something to do with cortisol, insulin imbalance?

Had all bloods done and everything is within range.

Been told to try meditation 3 x per day.

Feels like being a race car that burns it’s tyres off within the first few laps, then having the rest of the race (day) to go but with no tyres (energy/strength/ability).

I can do exercise at times but that effects me the rest of the day and mostly the week!
The Bloods don't seem to pick anything up. One of the posters was suggesting "low cortisol" which explains why ashwagandha absolutely destroys me.

Mate give Creatine (loading Phase) combined with mega dosing Q-enzyme 10. You can't lose weight without having a functioning body IMO.

This combo worked for me within days.

Did these symptoms come up before the vax rollout or before?

Originally Posted By Gryphonly⏩
Sounds like your burnt out to be honest. Body fought off an infection for a month you’ve been working like crazy. Probably just pushed yourself way too far, potentially over sleeping from depression now. Likely lots of stress in your life now around this which isn’t helping. Positive thinking can be huge in these circumstances too. Take care of yourself mate.
I think you've hit the nail man. At one point, I was thinking about ending it.

What's scary about it, is you can just do is "spontaneously" like an impulse to check out. You don't premeditate these thoughts, more or less on impulse.

Repped bro. Cuts deep
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Originally Posted By jimbob007⏩
https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/05/ben-w...ness-18559705/
Ben Woollaston is still dealing with the debilitating illness he has been suffering for nearly two years, saying things have improved, but ‘most days just feel like survival.’

"The 35-year-old has been suffering with a problem that some doctors have suggested is chronic fatigue syndrome but others have struggled to pin down as he is suffering with such a range of symptoms.

The world number 53 says the problem dates back to May 2021 and the day he took his first Covid vaccine. He passed out shortly after the jab and has not felt the same since.

While he says doctors have disagreed on the vaccine being the cause of the problem, he sees it as the obvious point of when he started struggling"





No surprise here. 7/10 fitness trainers (colleagues) have lost over 50% of their VO2max. These ones all got boosted
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I haven’t had any of the vaccines so that isn’t to blame for me! I have suffered with the symptoms long before covid.

All the bloods I have had are within range including diabetes, which is why I have been given the diagnosis, it’s been a 4+ year of testing to come to this point.

I don’t smoke, drink alcohol or take drugs and live in the countryside which is fairly stress free.

The last doctor I saw mentioned something about cortisol and insulin, I often wake up through the night and can’t get back to sleep, she said this is due to something to do with cortisol, also I get dizzy spells where I feel extremely weak this is something to do with insulin. I don’t know what exactly but it’s something to do with the autoimmune disease.

One day in a month a may feel like I could smash down a wall, but the next minute I struggling to put one foot in front of the other.

This isn’t a case of being tired or being blown out etc it’s feeling like your walking in mud constantly, like turning a steering wheel is swinging dumbbells, like sleeping 8 hours lasts 1 minute and feeling like you have been awake for months with all your bodily functions failing along with your mind, foggy, uncreative, tired, anxious, angry yet helpless.
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Originally Posted By muscletraining⏩
I haven’t had any of the vaccines so that isn’t to blame for me! I have suffered with the symptoms long before covid.

All the bloods I have had are within range including diabetes, which is why I have been given the diagnosis, it’s been a 4+ year of testing to come to this point.

I don’t smoke, drink alcohol or take drugs and live in the countryside which is fairly stress free.

The last doctor I saw mentioned something about cortisol and insulin, I often wake up through the night and can’t get back to sleep, she said this is due to something to do with cortisol, also I get dizzy spells where I feel extremely weak this is something to do with insulin. I don’t know what exactly but it’s something to do with the autoimmune disease.

One day in a month a may feel like I could smash down a wall, but the next minute I struggling to put one foot in front of the other.

This isn’t a case of being tired or being blown out etc it’s feeling like your walking in mud constantly, like turning a steering wheel is swinging dumbbells, like sleeping 8 hours lasts 1 minute and feeling like you have been awake for months with all your bodily functions failing along with your mind, foggy, uncreative, tired, anxious, angry yet helpless.
have you tried the bean protocol? Do you eat beans?
My ALT is elevated. 75.
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Originally Posted By muscletraining⏩
I haven’t had any of the vaccines so that isn’t to blame for me! I have suffered with the symptoms long before covid.

All the bloods I have had are within range including diabetes, which is why I have been given the diagnosis, it’s been a 4+ year of testing to come to this point.

I don’t smoke, drink alcohol or take drugs and live in the countryside which is fairly stress free.

The last doctor I saw mentioned something about cortisol and insulin, I often wake up through the night and can’t get back to sleep, she said this is due to something to do with cortisol, also I get dizzy spells where I feel extremely weak this is something to do with insulin. I don’t know what exactly but it’s something to do with the autoimmune disease.

One day in a month a may feel like I could smash down a wall, but the next minute I struggling to put one foot in front of the other.

This isn’t a case of being tired or being blown out etc it’s feeling like your walking in mud constantly, like turning a steering wheel is swinging dumbbells, like sleeping 8 hours lasts 1 minute and feeling like you have been awake for months with all your bodily functions failing along with your mind, foggy, uncreative, tired, anxious, angry yet helpless.
Funny you say that regarding "auto immune disease" A couple of years ago, I developed psoriasis on my scalp and my eyesight detoriated rapidly. Since then my immune system has been permeably weaker whist rapid ageing had set in.

It's like the body decides to completely **** itself on day & it's all down hill from there.

try the Creatine & Q10 protocol and update us
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What is the “Bean Protocol”?

What is the “Creatine & Q10 protocol”
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I heard of a few people who had this from long term coke usage. Not saying thats you OP, but its common.

Go see endocrinologist, get blood/hormone work done.
Check up with a sleep apnea specialist, incase youre tired because youre not sleeping properly (sleep machine could help you)
Check what foods youre eating, as that changes the way we feel the most.
Cut out any drugs and alcohol if youre consuming that.
Maybe book some massages in / spa days or holiday/break if its burnout related.
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Can't believe it's actually a thing.
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Originally Posted By muscletraining⏩
What is the “Bean Protocol”?

What is the “Creatine & Q10 protocol”
It's been extremely effective with my recovery. 10g Loading phase creatine + 600g Q10.. Stuff works like magic.
Originally Posted By LexBrah⏩
I heard of a few people who had this from long term coke usage. Not saying thats you OP, but its common.

Go see endocrinologist, get blood/hormone work done.
Check up with a sleep apnea specialist, incase youre tired because youre not sleeping properly (sleep machine could help you)
Check what foods youre eating, as that changes the way we feel the most.
Cut out any drugs and alcohol if youre consuming that.
Maybe book some massages in / spa days or holiday/break if its burnout related.
How would long term usage of coke inhibit CFS? Did they recover from it?

I was on a huge ******* bender. I was doing up to 3 bags a week all last year. However I was fine.... Decided to quit that this year...
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Originally Posted By CreamPieXXX⏩
Can't believe it's actually a thing.
The best way to describe it. You muscles are unable to retain water which causes them to feel like flat tires. Basically you can feel your tendons only holding your body together.

Imagine having DOMS through the entire body 24/7
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Originally Posted By muscletraining⏩
What is the “Bean Protocol”?

What is the “Creatine & Q10 protocol”
i listened to a podcast by unique hammon about healing some autoimmune condition with eating beans. saw you mentioned autoimmune so it came to mind.

you eat beans, the fiber soaks up excess adrenaline and cortisol, body calms down and stops hurting itself. that's my understanding anyway. apparently beans are the only legitimate source of some type of fiber.
My ALT is elevated. 75.
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Originally Posted By Zere0wn⏩
i listened to a podcast by unique hammon about healing some autoimmune condition with eating beans. saw you mentioned autoimmune so it came to mind.

you eat beans, the fiber soaks up excess adrenaline and cortisol, body calms down and stops hurting itself. that's my understanding anyway. apparently beans are the only legitimate source of some type of fiber.
oh god....... lmaaaoooo
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
oh god....... lmaaaoooo
dude if someone has been unhealthy for 4+ years, you try anythng. There's a bunch of people in a similar spot who say it worked for them. **** off with that negativity.
My ALT is elevated. 75.
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Originally Posted By Zere0wn⏩
i listened to a podcast by unique hammon about healing some autoimmune condition with eating beans. saw you mentioned autoimmune so it came to mind.

you eat beans, the fiber soaks up excess adrenaline and cortisol, body calms down and stops hurting itself. that's my understanding anyway. apparently beans are the only legitimate source of some type of fiber.
One theory is. The excess adrenaline and cortisol has been "tapped out" over the years that the body cannot produce cortisol no longer, which explains what one of the posters said in the previous pages. I still havn't gotten around to call the doctor to print the results and post them here, if this is the case.


The other day I dropped the high dose of Creatine & Q10, and all of a sudden my energy levels felt like I was back to CFS.

Front loaded again before bed and pre-workout & my energy levels was back to normal.

I don't know if this is safe "long term" however
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Originally Posted By Zere0wn⏩
dude if someone has been unhealthy for 4+ years, you try anythng. There's a bunch of people in a similar spot who say it worked for them. **** off with that negativity.
Do all chronic fatigue patients have cortisol dysfunction?

"The overwhelming majority of these patients have [cortisol] dysfunction, whether testing shows this or not," he tells WebMD. His review of the research is published in the latest issue of the Journal of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.


Low cortisol CFS

"CFS Associated with Low Morning Adrenal Cortisol, But High Evening Levels. This study suggests that cortisol levels are too low during the day and too high at bed time. This can cause both exhaustion and insomnia. This study shows that in people with chronic fatigue syndrome, cortisol levels are too low during the day and too high at bed time."


Could be an indicator why I need to consume a massive amounts of sodium daily just to function.
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Originally Posted By BlackHeart.au⏩
Do all chronic fatigue patients have cortisol dysfunction?

"The overwhelming majority of these patients have [cortisol] dysfunction, whether testing shows this or not," he tells WebMD. His review of the research is published in the latest issue of the Journal of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.


Low cortisol CFS

"CFS Associated with Low Morning Adrenal Cortisol, But High Evening Levels. This study suggests that cortisol levels are too low during the day and too high at bed time. This can cause both exhaustion and insomnia. This study shows that in people with chronic fatigue syndrome, cortisol levels are too low during the day and too high at bed time."


Could be an indicator why I need to consume a massive amounts of sodium daily just to function.
check out adrenal cocktails if you're noticing benefits from sodium.
My ALT is elevated. 75.
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OP,

go to a specialist doctor

assume Long Covid


good luck
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Originally Posted By Zere0wn⏩
i listened to a podcast by unique hammon about healing some autoimmune condition with eating beans. saw you mentioned autoimmune so it came to mind.

you eat beans, the fiber soaks up excess adrenaline and cortisol, body calms down and stops hurting itself. that's my understanding anyway. apparently beans are the only legitimate source of some type of fiber.
The only way beans can help you is if you fart so much from eating them that it’s funny and you laugh, and that relieves your stress.
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Originally Posted By BlackHeart.au⏩
One theory is. The excess adrenaline and cortisol has been "tapped out" over the years that the body cannot produce cortisol no longer, which explains what one of the posters said in the previous pages. I still havn't gotten around to call the doctor to print the results and post them here, if this is the case.


The other day I dropped the high dose of Creatine & Q10, and all of a sudden my energy levels felt like I was back to CFS.

Front loaded again before bed and pre-workout & my energy levels was back to normal.

I don't know if this is safe "long term" however
Q10 and creative are both pretty safe bro. I’d you’re concerned you should just get regular blood work and you’ll be fine.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
OP,

go to a specialist doctor

assume Long Covid


good luck
As opposed to short Covid?

Lmao, people believe anything these days.

Is there a medium length Covid? How about a tall Covid? Fat Covid? Did you take a vaccine for obese Covid or old Covid? Stiff Covid?

If tomorrow Dr. Pucci came out and said there’s a new vaccine for limp covid, would you take it?
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Originally Posted By Ausaric⏩
Q10 and creative are both pretty safe bro. I’d you’re concerned you should just get regular blood work and you’ll be fine.
The Creatine & Q10 has basically got be back to 70% recovery. Wheather this is a band aid just covering an underlying issue or it helped cellular recovery in general.

Saying that. If I didn't use these supplements, I'd probably be still in recovery.

My bloodwork have came in fine. However I know as a fact, since the Vaccinations, my immune system has been extremely vulnerable to illness. I couldn't imagine people taking the booster shots & still feeling "Normal"

I don't think I will ever trust the government & assume they're against my interests TBH.
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Originally Posted By BlackHeart.au⏩
The Creatine & Q10 has basically got be back to 70% recovery. Wheather this is a band aid just covering an underlying issue or it helped cellular recovery in general.

Saying that. If I didn't use these supplements, I'd probably be still in recovery.

My bloodwork have came in fine. However I know as a fact, since the Vaccinations, my immune system has been extremely vulnerable to illness. I couldn't imagine people taking the booster shots & still feeling "Normal"

I don't think I will ever trust the government & assume they're against my interests TBH.
Ever try ubiquinol as a stronger form of Q10?
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Got the same sort of thing

It’s the China WMD virus
brb haven’t met one vaxcel who doesn’t get defensive or mad when you tell them you didn’t get it.

No “vax” for HIV after 40 years of research. No vax for cancer after 100 years of research. No vax for the common cold and yet a virus mysteriously appears and Within 12 months a “vax” is found by 4 pharma companies all within 1 week and we are mandated to take it ….
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Originally Posted By syrk⏩
Got the same sort of thing

It’s the China WMD virus
yeah, and the vax could have seriously reduced that
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If tomorrow Dr. Pucci came out and said there’s a new vaccine for limp covid, would you take it?
based on the situation I am currently in, without even implying what others should do or should have done, I can guarantee you that if I could go back in time in late 2021 I would have jabbed myself through the eyes if necessary
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Originally Posted By Ausaric⏩
Ever try ubiquinol as a stronger form of Q10?
I looked at it. Just sticking to the basics as it's extremely accessible.

"Dosage Suggestions
Whether using a drug or a dietary supplement, staying within the suggested dosage range can help minimize any negative effects associated with it. Beth Israel notes a typical dosage of 30 mg to 300 mg daily, but that some studies have used higher doses. The optimal dose will depend on your reason for using CoQ10 and your doctor's guidance."

I pushed my dosage up to 1200mg daily, split within morning and evening.

I trained this morning & I'm even stronger than prior to being sick. Quite bizzare how powerful the Creatine with Q-10 in conjunction with works. I think the NAC is an inhibitor and slows everything down. I'm not sure if it's good for training. It's good for cravings of sugar and nicotine withdrawals.
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I've also found NAC powerful for cravings
My ALT is elevated. 75.
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Originally Posted By BlackHeart.au⏩
Not yet.... Not sure what to test?



Had bronchitis for a month. But now it feels like I got bricks tied to my legs.
Sorry to hear you are going through this, I have had it about 5 years ago and mine was coming off bronchitis too, chronic fatigue that was so bad sometimes I needed a nap after making a sandwich and also developed pretty bad vertigo.

Mine eventually went away after about 10-12 months. It sucks because people around you don't understand at all, but the good positive news is it will go away.

Things that can help:

1) Good solid diet avoid sugar and processed food as much as you can

2) Try to exercise even if you don't feel like it

3) Get a good sleep schedule

Number 3 is the most important, for the first 9 months I was living in a student flat on a very loud party Street and it was often loud or had parties next door or across the street.

It wasn't until I moved into my aunts house in a nice, quiet part of town for a few months that I recovered.
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